OT: Bronx Bernie Sanders rally Rosario Dawson, Residente on 3/31

[CJackson]

praying for the FBI to indict her before the NY primary. would be awesome

[moabu08]

nice win for bernie tonight

[E-Balla]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsI0Sw2hq8[/youtube]

Man, I don't really consider myself a democrat, and I disagree with Bernie on some issues, but I really think I'll be voting for this guy.

And here's my post from the OT board thread when this video was posted:

Notice how no major US companies and only about 200 of the ~200k released companies were American (and we don't know how many of those didn't pay taxes on that income - or maybe we do I haven't personally looked)? Well the reason for that is right before we passed the trade agreement we passed The US-Panama Tax Information Exchange. Basically Panama isn't anything even remotely resembling a tax haven for the US. You're better off using Delaware as a tax haven than Panama.

This is Bernie once again showing his extreme lack of knowledge in the field of economics and his lack of what the REAL issues are behind the changes he wants to make. He also plays down Panama like they aren't an important ally when they control the Panama canal and are the fastest growing Central and South American economy.

If you want to vote Bernie do the country a favor and go Hillary or independent. He's just as bad a candidate as Trump.

[HarthorneWingo]

Some people don't realize it, but Bernie's already won regardless of what happens in this race. Look how he's pulled Hillary all the way to the left.

[CJackson]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsI0Sw2hq8[/youtube]

Man, I don't really consider myself a democrat, and I disagree with Bernie on some issues, but I really think I'll be voting for this guy.

And here's my post from the OT board thread when this video was posted:

Notice how no major US companies and only about 200 of the ~200k released companies were American (and we don't know how many of those didn't pay taxes on that income - or maybe we do I haven't personally looked)? Well the reason for that is right before we passed the trade agreement we passed The US-Panama Tax Information Exchange. Basically Panama isn't anything even remotely resembling a tax haven for the US. You're better off using Delaware as a tax haven than Panama.

This is Bernie once again showing his extreme lack of knowledge in the field of economics and his lack of what the REAL issues are behind the changes he wants to make. He also plays down Panama like they aren't an important ally when they control the Panama canal and are the fastest growing Central and South American economy.

If you want to vote Bernie do the country a favor and go Hillary or independent. He's just as bad a candidate as Trump.

what a distortion of how offshore companies are set up. sure panamas laws have changed to make it less attractive for tax deferring or evasion and that is why many of the records in the leak are not from this past few years but include many accounts set up years ago. this shows nothing about sanders being uninformed because the leak clearly shows the intention to dodge direct or immediate taxation by those involved and that is the point. many of those shell companies then set up other subs in more countries which makes the chain of accountability hard to attack for the irs or law enforcement. all those comments indicate is a desire to make sanders look stupid when his broader point about the rich and corporations placing their money and cash offshore remains the same

[CJackson]

sanders lead is growing again as counting continues. now back up to a 10% margin

[Phish Tank]

Bernie's campaign is pretty impressive and amazing.

Only thing I think he lacks and what will eventually bring him down is that the economics behind his revolution just doesn't make sense. Also, he may hate Wall Street, but he needs them to win the election. So he better find some compromising ground with them, otherwise he'll get defeated in a general election

[HarthorneWingo]

Bernie's up 11 points with 55% in!!!!!!!

Woo hoo

[CJackson]

Bernie's campaign is pretty impressive and amazing.

Only thing I think he lacks and what will eventually bring him down is that the economics behind his revolution just doesn't make sense. Also, he may hate Wall Street, but he needs them to win the election. So he better find some compromising ground with them, otherwise he'll get defeated in a general election

like the economics of spending several trillion dollars in iraq and afghanistan that could have been used to build our economy, industries and social programs made sense?

[HarthorneWingo]

Bernie's campaign is pretty impressive and amazing.

Only thing I think he lacks and what will eventually bring him down is that the economics behind his revolution just doesn't make sense. Also, he may hate Wall Street, but he needs them to win the election. So he better find some compromising ground with them, otherwise he'll get defeated in a general election

By who?

What people don't realize or understand is that Bernie - more than Hillary - will bring in moderate republicans and independents. That's why he beats each of the GOP candidates by greater margins compared to Clinton according to all the polls

[Phish Tank]

Bernie's campaign is pretty impressive and amazing.

Only thing I think he lacks and what will eventually bring him down is that the economics behind his revolution just doesn't make sense. Also, he may hate Wall Street, but he needs them to win the election. So he better find some compromising ground with them, otherwise he'll get defeated in a general election

like the economics of spending several trillion dollars in iraq and afghanistan that could have been used to build our economy, industries and social programs made sense?

I agree with that. I'm talking about everything else he's mentioning -> free healthcare, family leave, deconstructing "wall street speculation tax" further, infrastructure spending, all those things.

The math doesn't necessarily add up with everything

[E-Balla]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsI0Sw2hq8[/youtube]

Man, I don't really consider myself a democrat, and I disagree with Bernie on some issues, but I really think I'll be voting for this guy.

And here's my post from the OT board thread when this video was posted:

Notice how no major US companies and only about 200 of the ~200k released companies were American (and we don't know how many of those didn't pay taxes on that income - or maybe we do I haven't personally looked)? Well the reason for that is right before we passed the trade agreement we passed The US-Panama Tax Information Exchange. Basically Panama isn't anything even remotely resembling a tax haven for the US. You're better off using Delaware as a tax haven than Panama.

This is Bernie once again showing his extreme lack of knowledge in the field of economics and his lack of what the REAL issues are behind the changes he wants to make. He also plays down Panama like they aren't an important ally when they control the Panama canal and are the fastest growing Central and South American economy.

If you want to vote Bernie do the country a favor and go Hillary or independent. He's just as bad a candidate as Trump.

what a distortion of how offshore companies are set up. sure panamas laws have changed to make it less attractive for tax deferring or evasion and that is why many of the records in the leak are not from this past few years but include many accounts set up years ago. this shows nothing about sanders being uninformed because the leak clearly shows the intention to dodge direct or immediate taxation by those involved and that is the point. many of those shell companies then set up other subs in more countries which makes the chain of accountability hard to attack for the irs or law enforcement. all those comments indicate is a desire to make sanders look stupid when his broader point about the rich and corporations placing their money and cash offshore remains the same

It does show Sanders is uninformed because he specifically used Panama as an example. Panama isn't where there's a haven of offshore American accounts because they have a tax agreement with the US. Period. Yeah the leak shows the intention to dodge direct taxation of those involved but almost none of those people are American so what the hell does our trade agreement with Panama have to do with any of this?

[CJackson]

Bernie's campaign is pretty impressive and amazing.

Only thing I think he lacks and what will eventually bring him down is that the economics behind his revolution just doesn't make sense. Also, he may hate Wall Street, but he needs them to win the election. So he better find some compromising ground with them, otherwise he'll get defeated in a general election

By who?

What people don't realize or understand is that Bernie - more than Hillary - will bring in moderate republicans and independents. That's why he beats each of the GOP candidates by greater margins compared to Clinton according to all the polls

right because policy positions are not the only thing that wins. there are millions of people who could vote for him based on basic decency and who would never vote for claire underwood

[Phish Tank]

Bernie's campaign is pretty impressive and amazing.

Only thing I think he lacks and what will eventually bring him down is that the economics behind his revolution just doesn't make sense. Also, he may hate Wall Street, but he needs them to win the election. So he better find some compromising ground with them, otherwise he'll get defeated in a general election

By who?

What people don't realize or understand is that Bernie - more than Hillary - will bring in moderate republicans and independents. That's why he beats each of the GOP candidates by greater margins compared to Clinton according to all the polls

that can be true. I just want a greater emphasis on the economics some more. Break down the spending and revenues even more so he sounds less like a socialist candidate and more like a real civil rights and economic progressive. Maybe support and encourage small businesses too?

[HarthorneWingo]

Bernie's campaign is pretty impressive and amazing.

Only thing I think he lacks and what will eventually bring him down is that the economics behind his revolution just doesn't make sense. Also, he may hate Wall Street, but he needs them to win the election. So he better find some compromising ground with them, otherwise he'll get defeated in a general election

like the economics of spending several trillion dollars in iraq and afghanistan that could have been used to build our economy, industries and social programs made sense?

I agree with that. I'm talking about everything else he's mentioning -> free healthcare, family leave, deconstructing "wall street speculation tax" further, infrastructure spending, all those things.

The math doesn't necessarily add up with everything

There's PLENTY of money for all those things.

[CJackson]

And here's my post from the OT board thread when this video was posted:



If you want to vote Bernie do the country a favor and go Hillary or independent. He's just as bad a candidate as Trump.

what a distortion of how offshore companies are set up. sure panamas laws have changed to make it less attractive for tax deferring or evasion and that is why many of the records in the leak are not from this past few years but include many accounts set up years ago. this shows nothing about sanders being uninformed because the leak clearly shows the intention to dodge direct or immediate taxation by those involved and that is the point. many of those shell companies then set up other subs in more countries which makes the chain of accountability hard to attack for the irs or law enforcement. all those comments indicate is a desire to make sanders look stupid when his broader point about the rich and corporations placing their money and cash offshore remains the same

It does show Sanders is uninformed because he specifically used Panama as an example. Panama isn't where there's a haven of offshore American accounts because they have a tax agreement with the US. Period. Yeah the leak shows the intention to dodge direct taxation of those involved but almost none of those people are American so what the hell does our trade agreement with Panama have to do with any of this?

if people are going to try and shoot down sanders because he tied the panama leaks to his broader point about tax evasion then fire away. its a lame point to hammer on. panama has been well known as one of the original points of incorporation for shell companies prior to the patriot act compliance they finally fell into line with. they will go now to the caymans or the virgin islands instead. big f deal

[Phish Tank]

And here's my post from the OT board thread when this video was posted:



If you want to vote Bernie do the country a favor and go Hillary or independent. He's just as bad a candidate as Trump.

what a distortion of how offshore companies are set up. sure panamas laws have changed to make it less attractive for tax deferring or evasion and that is why many of the records in the leak are not from this past few years but include many accounts set up years ago. this shows nothing about sanders being uninformed because the leak clearly shows the intention to dodge direct or immediate taxation by those involved and that is the point. many of those shell companies then set up other subs in more countries which makes the chain of accountability hard to attack for the irs or law enforcement. all those comments indicate is a desire to make sanders look stupid when his broader point about the rich and corporations placing their money and cash offshore remains the same

It does show Sanders is uninformed because he specifically used Panama as an example. Panama isn't where there's a haven of offshore American accounts because they have a tax agreement with the US. Period. Yeah the leak shows the intention to dodge direct taxation of those involved but almost none of those people are American so what the hell does our trade agreement with Panama have to do with any of this?

Yea, Panama's not a tax haven. He might want to center a tax plan around cracking down on tax havens with the cooperation of western and asian nations, reducing corporate loopholes through revised tax treaties and agreements with various nations, amending transfer pricing regulations... something along that nature.

Panama's not a good example

[Fury]

American part will come trickling out, still early

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/82670334/?client=safari#

[CJackson]

sanders now up 12% and almost pulled even in the urban center which is a very good sign for him

[CJackson]

and naturally bernie is almost 2-1 in madison