OT: Bronx Bernie Sanders rally Rosario Dawson, Residente on 3/31

[E-Balla]

what a distortion of how offshore companies are set up. sure panamas laws have changed to make it less attractive for tax deferring or evasion and that is why many of the records in the leak are not from this past few years but include many accounts set up years ago. this shows nothing about sanders being uninformed because the leak clearly shows the intention to dodge direct or immediate taxation by those involved and that is the point. many of those shell companies then set up other subs in more countries which makes the chain of accountability hard to attack for the irs or law enforcement. all those comments indicate is a desire to make sanders look stupid when his broader point about the rich and corporations placing their money and cash offshore remains the same

It does show Sanders is uninformed because he specifically used Panama as an example. Panama isn't where there's a haven of offshore American accounts because they have a tax agreement with the US. Period. Yeah the leak shows the intention to dodge direct taxation of those involved but almost none of those people are American so what the hell does our trade agreement with Panama have to do with any of this?

if people are going to try and shoot down sanders because he tied the panama leaks to his broader point about tax evasion then fire away. its a lame point to hammer on. panama has been well known as one of the original points of incorporation for shell companies prior to the patriot act compliance they finally fell into line with. they will go now to the caymans or the virgin islands instead. big f deal

He wasn't making a point about tax evasion. He was trying to support his asinine and illogical argument against voting for a trade agreement with Panama...

[E-Balla]

what a distortion of how offshore companies are set up. sure panamas laws have changed to make it less attractive for tax deferring or evasion and that is why many of the records in the leak are not from this past few years but include many accounts set up years ago. this shows nothing about sanders being uninformed because the leak clearly shows the intention to dodge direct or immediate taxation by those involved and that is the point. many of those shell companies then set up other subs in more countries which makes the chain of accountability hard to attack for the irs or law enforcement. all those comments indicate is a desire to make sanders look stupid when his broader point about the rich and corporations placing their money and cash offshore remains the same

It does show Sanders is uninformed because he specifically used Panama as an example. Panama isn't where there's a haven of offshore American accounts because they have a tax agreement with the US. Period. Yeah the leak shows the intention to dodge direct taxation of those involved but almost none of those people are American so what the hell does our trade agreement with Panama have to do with any of this?

Yea, Panama's not a tax haven. He might want to center a tax plan around cracking down on tax havens with the cooperation of western and asian nations, reducing corporate loopholes through revised tax treaties and agreements with various nations, amending transfer pricing regulations... something along that nature.

Panama's not a good example

He might also want to stop acting like Trump when it comes to foreign policy. Voting against a trade agreement with Panama a country we spoonfed to become healthy economically? Not a good look.

[Fury]

It does show Sanders is uninformed because he specifically used Panama as an example. Panama isn't where there's a haven of offshore American accounts because they have a tax agreement with the US. Period. Yeah the leak shows the intention to dodge direct taxation of those involved but almost none of those people are American so what the hell does our trade agreement with Panama have to do with any of this?

if people are going to try and shoot down sanders because he tied the panama leaks to his broader point about tax evasion then fire away. its a lame point to hammer on. panama has been well known as one of the original points of incorporation for shell companies prior to the patriot act compliance they finally fell into line with. they will go now to the caymans or the virgin islands instead. big f deal

He wasn't making a point about tax evasion. He was trying to support his asinine and illogical argument against voting for a trade agreement with Panama...

He did mention tax invasion

[CJackson]

It does show Sanders is uninformed because he specifically used Panama as an example. Panama isn't where there's a haven of offshore American accounts because they have a tax agreement with the US. Period. Yeah the leak shows the intention to dodge direct taxation of those involved but almost none of those people are American so what the hell does our trade agreement with Panama have to do with any of this?

Yea, Panama's not a tax haven. He might want to center a tax plan around cracking down on tax havens with the cooperation of western and asian nations, reducing corporate loopholes through revised tax treaties and agreements with various nations, amending transfer pricing regulations... something along that nature.

Panama's not a good example

He might also want to stop acting like Trump when it comes to foreign policy. Voting against a trade agreement with Panama a country we spoonfed to become healthy economically? Not a good look.

i know a bit about this subject but i dont have the energy to spell out my pov on all of this because by the time we are done it will be another few pages in this thread and im not in the mood for it. I think you are pushing most of the wrong buttons here. i will keep it very short then. tax evasion as bernie is talking about is not about illegal things. it is legal to set up corporations in a zero corporate tax haven and not pay tax on company profits. you can do this and be in full compliance with american laws. low or zero tax countries is why apple and ireland are talked about so much for instance. anyway, bernie is not the rube you think he is. hes not a mental midget and has been in congress much of his adult life and led powerful commitees.

and the way you are discussing trade agreements with panama like we risk cutting ourselves off is way off base. it is a us dollar based country. they need us way more than the other way around. he opposed the agreement on principles that are way more critical than pissing off panama. clinton was for the agreement. he was not. dont forget the clintons set up nafta. not unrelated

i responded to your original post when you tried to lump all this into one issue to label sanders ignorant. its not all one issue. he is not wrong about panama being used to avoid taxes. you can still do it. patriot act compliance doesnt change that. it just makes the more shady multiple shells wont use panama now because of reporting. but reporting does not end the avoidance of taxes and that is one of sanders core issues in this primary. he does not need wall street to back diddle to get elected. he needs to convince voters that u.s. laws can be changed so money cant be stashed overseas without paying taxes.

the trade agreement was tied to this issue by sanders not because he is ignorant but because it was designed to give corporations all the power. read this

http://www.thenation.com/article/nafta-steroids/

you are seriously misinformed about the agenda behind that trade act. sanders was well informed and he was on the right side of the issue unlike clinton

[E-Balla]

if people are going to try and shoot down sanders because he tied the panama leaks to his broader point about tax evasion then fire away. its a lame point to hammer on. panama has been well known as one of the original points of incorporation for shell companies prior to the patriot act compliance they finally fell into line with. they will go now to the caymans or the virgin islands instead. big f deal

He wasn't making a point about tax evasion. He was trying to support his asinine and illogical argument against voting for a trade agreement with Panama...

He did mention tax invasion

You mentioned the patriot act in your post were you making a point about the patriot act?

[CJackson]

He wasn't making a point about tax evasion. He was trying to support his asinine and illogical argument against voting for a trade agreement with Panama...

He did mention tax invasion

You mentioned the patriot act in your post were you making a point about the patriot act?

you are looking more ignorant about this subject the more you post. patriot act, reporting compliance and tax evasion are all interconnected issues. maybe you should go and study some before you call sanders assinine. you clearly dont know very much at this subjet so chill on slandering sanders over something you are not qualified to make such strong statements about his intelligence

[E-Balla]

Yea, Panama's not a tax haven. He might want to center a tax plan around cracking down on tax havens with the cooperation of western and asian nations, reducing corporate loopholes through revised tax treaties and agreements with various nations, amending transfer pricing regulations... something along that nature.

Panama's not a good example

He might also want to stop acting like Trump when it comes to foreign policy. Voting against a trade agreement with Panama a country we spoonfed to become healthy economically? Not a good look.

i know a bit about this subject but i dont have the energy to spell out my pov on all of this because by the time we are done it will be another few pages in this thread and im not in the mood for it. I think you are pushing most of the wrong buttons here. i will keep it very short then. tax evasion as bernie is talking about is not about illegal things. it is legal to set up corporations in a zero corporate tax haven and not pay tax on company profits. you can do this and be in full compliance with american laws. low or zero tax countries is why apple and ireland are talked about so much for instance. anyway, bernie is not the rube you think he is. hes not a mental midget and has been in congress much of his adult life and led powerful commitees.

and the way you are discussing trade agreements with panama like we risk cutting ourselves off is way off base. it is a us dollar based country. they need us way more than the other way around. he opposed the agreement on principles that are way more critical than pissing off panama. clinton was for the agreement. he was not. dont forget the clintons set up nafta. not unrelated

i responded to your original post when you tried to lump all this into one issue to label sanders ignorant. its not all one issue. he is not wrong about panama being used to avoid taxes. you can still do it. patriot act compliance doesnt change that. it just makes the more shady multiple shells wont use panama now because of reporting. but reporting does not end the avoidance of taxes and that is one of sanders core issues in this primary. he does not need wall street to back diddle to get elected. he needs to convince voters that u.s. laws can be changed so money cant be stashed overseas without paying taxes.

the trade agreement was tied to this issue by sanders not because he is ignorant but because it was designed to give corporations all the power. read this

http://www.thenation.com/article/nafta-steroids/

you are seriously misinformed about the agenda behind that trade act. sanders was well informed and he was on the right side of the issue unlike clinton

And that's why America is the most underrepresented country in the leaks right? This trade agreement was sooooo bad right?

Also what the hell does the trade agreement even do to make it easier to use as a tax haven? This whole argument is asinine.

Also no one is making it seem as if we need Panama but its in our best interests to keep them close after all these years. With all the money we've pumped into Panama using their demand to raise the demand for labor is smart.

Also I love how you explain how you are wrong mid post but recover to attempt to change the topic. The story here is still that people are using a clip of him saying that Panama is a tax haven so we shouldn't enter a trade agreement with them as a positive video for his campaign...

[CJackson]

this may be a record dem vote turnout in wisconsin. also the news reports say there are big delays because of the bs around voter id which was the dem party hilary factions effort to block the youth vote. but the kids are turning out and bernie is winning. the underwood scammers are trying to pull every trick they can to sabotage the voter

[CJackson]

He might also want to stop acting like Trump when it comes to foreign policy. Voting against a trade agreement with Panama a country we spoonfed to become healthy economically? Not a good look.

i know a bit about this subject but i dont have the energy to spell out my pov on all of this because by the time we are done it will be another few pages in this thread and im not in the mood for it. I think you are pushing most of the wrong buttons here. i will keep it very short then. tax evasion as bernie is talking about is not about illegal things. it is legal to set up corporations in a zero corporate tax haven and not pay tax on company profits. you can do this and be in full compliance with american laws. low or zero tax countries is why apple and ireland are talked about so much for instance. anyway, bernie is not the rube you think he is. hes not a mental midget and has been in congress much of his adult life and led powerful commitees.

and the way you are discussing trade agreements with panama like we risk cutting ourselves off is way off base. it is a us dollar based country. they need us way more than the other way around. he opposed the agreement on principles that are way more critical than pissing off panama. clinton was for the agreement. he was not. dont forget the clintons set up nafta. not unrelated

i responded to your original post when you tried to lump all this into one issue to label sanders ignorant. its not all one issue. he is not wrong about panama being used to avoid taxes. you can still do it. patriot act compliance doesnt change that. it just makes the more shady multiple shells wont use panama now because of reporting. but reporting does not end the avoidance of taxes and that is one of sanders core issues in this primary. he does not need wall street to back diddle to get elected. he needs to convince voters that u.s. laws can be changed so money cant be stashed overseas without paying taxes.

the trade agreement was tied to this issue by sanders not because he is ignorant but because it was designed to give corporations all the power. read this

http://www.thenation.com/article/nafta-steroids/

you are seriously misinformed about the agenda behind that trade act. sanders was well informed and he was on the right side of the issue unlike clinton

And that's why America is the most underrepresented country in the leaks right? This trade agreement was sooooo bad right?

Also what the hell does the trade agreement even do to make it easier to use as a tax haven? This whole argument is asinine.

Also no one is making it seem as if we need Panama but its in our best interests to keep them close after all these years. With all the money we've pumped into Panama using their demand to raise the demand for labor is smart.

Also I love how you explain how you are wrong mid post but recover to attempt to change the topic. The story here is still that people are using a clip of him saying that Panama is a tax haven so we shouldn't enter a trade agreement with them as a positive video for his campaign...

are you a pinhead? you have one barely formed idea in your brain that panama is our partner and all agreements are therefore good?

you didnt even read that article. you are too lazy. you cant debate and you dont research. you want to call sanders dumb but all you did is make yourself look very uninformed

[E-Balla]

He did mention tax invasion

You mentioned the patriot act in your post were you making a point about the patriot act?

you are looking more ignorant about this subject the more you post. patriot act, reporting compliance and tax evasion are all interconnected issues. maybe you should go and study some before you call sanders assinine. you clearly dont know very much at this subjet so chill on slandering sanders over something you are not qualified to make such strong statements about his intelligence

I don't usually spell out points like this but I think you're being earnest and not trolling so here's what just happened -

Me: Sanders called Panama a tax haven to backup his point that we shouldn't enter a trade agreement with them

Fury: But he mentioned tax evasion

Me: You mentioned the Patriot Act but that wasn't the basis of your point.

[CJackson]

You mentioned the patriot act in your post were you making a point about the patriot act?

you are looking more ignorant about this subject the more you post. patriot act, reporting compliance and tax evasion are all interconnected issues. maybe you should go and study some before you call sanders assinine. you clearly dont know very much at this subjet so chill on slandering sanders over something you are not qualified to make such strong statements about his intelligence

I don't usually spell out points like this but I think you're being earnest and not trolling so here's what just happened -

Me: Sanders called Panama a tax haven to backup his point that we shouldn't enter a trade agreement with them

Fury: But he mentioned tax evasion

Me: You mentioned the Patriot Act but that wasn't the basis of your point.

trolling? you understand so little it is scary. i gave you a fantastic muckraker article to read that explains why it was rotten and you keep digging a hole for yourself like a blind parrot. we are done. seriously dont bother me about this again. i really am no longer interested in what you have to say about politics

[E-Balla]

you are looking more ignorant about this subject the more you post. patriot act, reporting compliance and tax evasion are all interconnected issues. maybe you should go and study some before you call sanders assinine. you clearly dont know very much at this subjet so chill on slandering sanders over something you are not qualified to make such strong statements about his intelligence

I don't usually spell out points like this but I think you're being earnest and not trolling so here's what just happened -

Me: Sanders called Panama a tax haven to backup his point that we shouldn't enter a trade agreement with them

Fury: But he mentioned tax evasion

Me: You mentioned the Patriot Act but that wasn't the basis of your point.

trolling? you understand so little it is scary. i gave you a fantastic muckraker article to read that explains why it was rotten and you keep digging a hole for yourself like a blind parrot. we are done. seriously dont bother me about this again. i really am no longer interested in what you have to say about politics

You quoted me GTFOH. Reading an article about the negatives of NAFTA without any of the positives would make NAFTA look bad so thank you for that I guess? Good thing I know the positives or I'd be making a one sided uninformed decision on this issue.

Also good job engaging my post, ignoring the point I was making, shifting goalposts, then acting as if I was being unreasonable.

[CJackson]

I don't usually spell out points like this but I think you're being earnest and not trolling so here's what just happened -

Me: Sanders called Panama a tax haven to backup his point that we shouldn't enter a trade agreement with them

Fury: But he mentioned tax evasion

Me: You mentioned the Patriot Act but that wasn't the basis of your point.

trolling? you understand so little it is scary. i gave you a fantastic muckraker article to read that explains why it was rotten and you keep digging a hole for yourself like a blind parrot. we are done. seriously dont bother me about this again. i really am no longer interested in what you have to say about politics

You quoted me GTFOH. Reading an article about the negatives of NAFTA without any of the positives would make NAFTA look bad so thank you for that I guess? Good thing I know the positives or I'd be making a one sided uninformed decision on this issue.

Also good job engaging my post, ignoring the point I was making, shifting goalposts, then acting as if I was being unreasonable.

you launched into this by saying sanders was ignorant when all you have done is keep making your own ignorance very clear. being dumb when accusing people of being dumb is never a good look

[CJackson]

95% counted and winning by 13% margin. that is very very good. anytime you beat someone by 5% it is very good

considering sanders was polled behind her in wisconsin very recently and there is a ny debate coming up and a possible FBI announcement the ny primary could be way more up for grabs on election day than any of the polls have been showing. that is the trend and news media is still crowning claire underwood

i cant deny i dont give a crap about her and would accept the FBI indictment as the reason sanders gets the nomination. and it can happen. they have her dead to rights on what is basically treason. im not normally the kind who goes on about hating the clintons but they are very dirty and she did things as secretary of state that would bring anyone else down already. the reason it hasnt happened yet im pretty sure is the clintons have a lot of people by the short hairs and if hilary got taken out by the feds they would take down dozens of powerful people with them. other than that the fbi is covering every detail because they only get one shot if they are going to take it. word is they will want it over one way or another pretty soon so it doesnt happen after nomination or turn the general election into a total crisis

i think it could happen is the fbi has basically said we did our dd and they told the state dept we will take it from here. they have her busted already. and reports have leaked that many of the fbi agents working on the case have said they will resign if she is not indicted. so they have her nailed to the wall. it is pretty obvious she totally threatened national security and risked exposing state secrets to enemy hackers. basically she was running her own shadow state by having her own server. i realized how big a deal this was the more i read up on it. before I thot it was maybe serious but not critical but it really was and is

so it really comes down to the fbi and probably its director now because if they cant be bot then they might not give a crap about who goes down with the clintons. this is definitely big big stuff and why it is taking longer as the tug of war goes on inside about whether to pull the trigger. if they do she is finished. possibly could go to jail. it is that serious

[HarthorneWingo]

^^^^ Preach.

Frankly, I would like to see Bernie really go on the offensive leading up to NY. HRC needs to be called out for what she was and that was a mo-fo CARPETBAGGER from Arkansas who came to NY for no other reason than to cozy up to Wall Street so she could benefit their Foundation, support her campaign for POTUS, and marry off Chelsea to a hedge fund manager. This argument is not only factual but fits the modus operandi of the Clintons or at least the perception people have of them.

But I don't know if Bernie would go that far. He seems not to want to go there. But if HRC starts throwing some sharp elbows, who knows? We need to win NY big. 51-49 ain't gonna cut it.

[CJackson]

^^^^ Preach.

Frankly, I would like to see Bernie really go on the offensive leading up to NY. HRC needs to be called out for what she was and that was a mo-fo CARPETBAGGER from Arkansas who came to NY for no other reason than to cozy up to Wall Street so she could benefit their Foundation, support her campaign for POTUS, and marry off Chelsea to a hedge fund manager. This argument is not only factual but fits the modus operandi of the Clintons or at least the perception people have of them.

But I don't know if Bernie would go that far. He seems not to want to go there. But if HRC starts throwing some sharp elbows, who knows? We need to win NY big. 51-49 ain't gonna cut it.

the way things are right now it already seems plausible bernie could take the majority of the state outside the city by 10-20% and it comes down to nyc metro. if he can even nudge into the black in nyc and take the rest of the state strong then her narrative is totally broken

and dont forget all the others too like PA which could go to sanders too. there is so much about what he appeals to in the rust belt that extends into most corners of PA

the debate could be a bigger factor than i thot. he has the mo and she has a lot to fear right now. i cant imagine the stress she feels. she could snap. i would

[xNewYorkMadex]

Im voting for the 1st time ever in a couple weeks for Bernie.

Didnt vote when I was first eligible in 2008 and 2012. But this year I truly feel my vote matters and is needed. Also this is the first time I feel connected to a politician and feel hes honest and trustworthy.

I actually dont think Bernie will beat Hilary honestly. NY-Pennsylvania will be do or die for Bernie. Hes been doing a great job recently winning by much needed land slides in the past 7-8 contests, but he needs to win getting 60% of the vote in the remaining rich delegate states. I do have serious doubts he can pull that off. Not too mention the super delegate lead. Bernie isnt even a democrat, no chance do I see a mass amount of super delegates changing their vote for him. Hilary is as establishment as it gets.

That being said, im a natural optimist and hope im wrong. Still will turn out and vote for Bernie on the 19th.

[moabu08]

Bernie's campaign is pretty impressive and amazing.

Only thing I think he lacks and what will eventually bring him down is that the economics behind his revolution just doesn't make sense. Also, he may hate Wall Street, but he needs them to win the election. So he better find some compromising ground with them, otherwise he'll get defeated in a general election

Who has any realistic promises during elections? Trump? Sure hes gonna deport 11 million people and tear up every trade agreement. Cruz? Sure his list of things hes gonna do on his first day of office is about a mile long.

No, the only thing that will bring Bernie down is African American voters.

[duetta]

I'll be voting for Bernie in NY. I don't think it will matter in the long run, but Hillary is the kind of candidate that you only turn to because there are no other options. But so long as there are options...

[ToastinKP]

Nice victory for Bernie last night!!! After he wins WY on Saturday he will set his sights on NY.......


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