Political Roundtable Part IX

[nate33]

On a completely unrelated note...

Gap has been force to remove this ad and issue an apology... since it's...wait for it..."racist"



My only solace is the knowledge that one day I will be dead and off this planet full of idiots.

The inevitable backlash is that a large portion of the public will no longer be affected by the "racist" label. If you get accused for racism for every little innocuous thing, then f**k it. You may as well be overt about it. The next time you here someone say: "Hey you're a racist!". The response will be: "F**k you! I don't care!"

These SJW's and their over-the-top accusations of racism for every little thing is only going to set back the progress made my minorities over the past 50 years.

[TGW]

The next time you here someone say: "Hey you're a racist!". The response will be: ""F**k you! I don't care!"

I'm sure you feel like that anyway, Nate. Why don't you go ahead and start the movement?

Anyway, it looks like the Panama Papers is going to expose many of the elites throughout the world. Panama is known as a tax haven for the rich and powerful, and it's no surprise Hillary voted for that pathetic Panama deal in 2011. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders mentions this in the coming weeks.

[dckingsfan]

The next time you here someone say: "Hey you're a racist!". The response will be: ""F**k you! I don't care!"

I'm sure you feel like that anyway, Nate. Why don't you go ahead and start the movement?

Anyway, it looks like the Panama Papers is going to expose many of the elites throughout the world. Panama is known as a tax haven for the rich and powerful, and it's no surprise Hillary voted for that pathetic Panama deal in 2011. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders mentions this in the coming weeks.

Always good to take things out of context - and you wonder why folks get desensitized

I don't think their will be any kick back on any US politicians because the list had virtually no American citizens. We don't need it since we are the master country at setting up shell corporations.

[TGW]

The next time you here someone say: "Hey you're a racist!". The response will be: ""F**k you! I don't care!"

I'm sure you feel like that anyway, Nate. Why don't you go ahead and start the movement?

Anyway, it looks like the Panama Papers is going to expose many of the elites throughout the world. Panama is known as a tax haven for the rich and powerful, and it's no surprise Hillary voted for that pathetic Panama deal in 2011. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders mentions this in the coming weeks.

Always good to take things out of context - and you wonder why folks get desensitized

I don't think their will be any kick back on any US politicians because the list had virtually no American citizens. We don't need it since we are the master country at setting up shell corporations.

At the least, it shows Hillary to be the corporate shill that she is. It fits the narrative, even though she isn't directly involved.

[DCZards]

On a completely unrelated note...

Gap has been force to remove this ad and issue an apology... since it's...wait for it..."racist"



My only solace is the knowledge that one day I will be dead and off this planet full of idiots.

Not a good idea to have the only black kid in the photo being used as an armrest. I can see why some people might be offended.

[dckingsfan]

I'm sure you feel like that anyway, Nate. Why don't you go ahead and start the movement?

Anyway, it looks like the Panama Papers is going to expose many of the elites throughout the world. Panama is known as a tax haven for the rich and powerful, and it's no surprise Hillary voted for that pathetic Panama deal in 2011. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders mentions this in the coming weeks.

Always good to take things out of context - and you wonder why folks get desensitized

I don't think their will be any kick back on any US politicians because the list had virtually no American citizens. We don't need it since we are the master country at setting up shell corporations.

At the least, it shows Hillary to be the corporate shill that she is. It fits the narrative, even though she isn't directly involved.

Not going to move the needle even the smallest amount.

[dckingsfan]

On a completely unrelated note...

Gap has been force to remove this ad and issue an apology... since it's...wait for it..."racist"



My only solace is the knowledge that one day I will be dead and off this planet full of idiots.

Not a good idea to have the only black kid in the photo being used as an armrest. I can see why some people might be offended.

Gap clearly needs a political correctness officer on the shoots. Or not allow mixed shoots.

My older daughter used to do this to my younger daughter - it was a sign of affection - smh.

[AFM]

On a completely unrelated note...

Gap has been force to remove this ad and issue an apology... since it's...wait for it..."racist"



My only solace is the knowledge that one day I will be dead and off this planet full of idiots.

Not a good idea to have the only black kid in the photo being used as an armrest. I can see why some people might be offended.

Gap clearly needs a political correctness officer on the shoots. Or not allow mixed shoots.

My older daughter used to do this to my younger daughter - it was a sign of affection - smh.

"Trying to make an ad in 2016 that doesn't offend anyone"

[nate33]

The next time you here someone say: "Hey you're a racist!". The response will be: ""F**k you! I don't care!"

I'm sure you feel like that anyway, Nate. Why don't you go ahead and start the movement?

Anyway, it looks like the Panama Papers is going to expose many of the elites throughout the world. Panama is known as a tax haven for the rich and powerful, and it's no surprise Hillary voted for that pathetic Panama deal in 2011. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders mentions this in the coming weeks.

I honestly didn't feel that way 2 years ago, but my attitude is changing - not my attitude about race, I'm referring to my attitude about anti-racists.

I maintain that most people have the same general thoughts about race as I do. Most people try to treat individuals based on the content of their character while simultaneously (and usually privately) acknowledging that different races, on average, have slightly different characteristics, good and bad, that go beyond the color of their skin. They may pretend they don't acknowledge this differences, but they do. (If this attitude didn't prevail, then, rich, liberal, SJW, do-gooder white people would choose to live in black neighborhoods, yet they don't.)

Where my attitude is changing is that I care less and less about the whining from SJW's when I point out factual differences between races. This notion that we should expect exactly equal outcome from every race in every facet of life is absurd because different races have different strengths and weaknesses (on average). I refuse to be cowed when someone tells me to believe something that is blatantly false.

[dobrojim]

Fewer GOPers on the ballot, Trump's needle doesn't move. Mid 30s used to get him wins.
Now even against someone as deeply unpopular as Cruz (talking his own GOP cohorts), Trump's
30-40% is a landslide loss. He will do better in NY I expect. He may get the delegates but if he
falls even a few votes short in the end, CLE is going to be crazy.

Both front-runners are clearly very flawed candidates. Our politics are really effed up.

[nate33]

Fewer GOPers on the ballot, Trump's needle doesn't move. Mid 30s used to get him wins.
Now even against someone as deeply unpopular as Cruz (talking his own GOP cohorts), Trump's
30-40% is a landslide loss. He will do better in NY I expect. He may get the delegates but if he
falls even a few votes short in the end, CLE is going to be crazy.

Both front-runners are clearly very flawed candidates. Our politics are really effed up.

There are two factors at play, neither of which the media seems capable of acknowledging.

The first is heritage. Trump dominates in areas with strong Scotch/Irish background but does poorly in areas of strong German/Scandinavian background. The Scotch Irish dominate the east coast and Appalachia, but it turns mostly German in the Midwest and Rocky mountain areas. The Scotch/Irish are a bit more tribal in nature - having more recently been a clannish society. The tribal nature is easier for Trump to appeal to with his "us versus them" identity politics. Identity politics doesn't work on the German/Scandinavians. You must use reason with them, and Trump has steadfastly refused to advocate his positions based on logical arguments (which do exist), he only tries to convince emotionally.

The second is diversity. Trump does well among white people who live near blacks or Latino's. He also does fairly well among blacks and Latinos (though with extremely small sample sizes since so few are Republicans). Trump does poorly in areas that are exclusively white.

Wisconsin was bad territory for Trump demographically. He'll do fine in the East.

[Zonkerbl]

Why do you care? Yes, it's much worse for, say, Hitler to say bad things about Jews than it is for Jews to say bad things about Hitler.

It's just common sense. A powerful person talking crap about a powerless person is a coward and an ahole. The same is not true the other way around.

You are saying that punching up is okay but punching down is bad. I reject this argument.

The problem is, who gets to define up or down?

You're ascribing a false equivalence to the two things. Everyone on this thread is. Just because a white person and an African American might say similar things, the meaning of those words is not the same. The context is different.

When a white person says the N word it is understood to imply endorsement of the white power movement and all that entails. We all agree that's bad.

When an African American cuts up Donald Trump it has a completely different context. There's no history of African American domination of Trump's culture. It's just trash talk.

It's the difference between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker saying "I will end you." When Darth Vader says it, he means he will destroy your planet and any other planet that dares to align with you. When Luke says it he's basically spitting in the wind.

You can't compare the two punches. One is the Death Star and the other is a lightsaber.

Nate, you DON'T get to define what's up or down. You are clearly confused on the subject. White people in general lost the right to define what is punching up or down during the sixties. They will probably never get it back.

[TGW]

Why do you care? Yes, it's much worse for, say, Hitler to say bad things about Jews than it is for Jews to say bad things about Hitler.

It's just common sense. A powerful person talking crap about a powerless person is a coward and an ahole. The same is not true the other way around.

You are saying that punching up is okay but punching down is bad. I reject this argument.

The problem is, who gets to define up or down?

You're ascribing a false equivalence to the two things. Everyone on this thread is. Just because a white person and an African American might say similar things, the meaning of those words is not the same. The context is different.

When a white person says the N word it is understood to imply endorsement of the white power movement and all that entails. We all agree that's bad.

When an African American cuts up Donald Trump it has a completely different context. There's no history of African American domination of Trump's culture. It's just trash talk.

It's the difference between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker saying "I will end you." When Darth Vader says it, he means he will destroy your planet and any other planet that dares to align with you. When Luke says it he's basically spitting in the wind.

Exactly. Like I said before my post got deleted, black "racism" is relegated to stuff like youtube videos and words. White racism is institutional in nature. No one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet. Real racism is the Dothan Police Department planting drugs and guns on black males for the past 20 years. Racism is calling a certain group superpredators in order to criminalize a group for economic gain. Racism is taking away resources from the underprivileged class and giving it all to the dominant society. Stuff like the Azalia Banks thing, the GAP ad, and all this anecdotal crap reported by the right wing media is just a smokescreen. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the right wingers are paying people to be "outraged" by crap like this just so folks like Nate and AFM can make false equivalencies of racism.

[Zonkerbl]

The next time you here someone say: "Hey you're a racist!". The response will be: ""F**k you! I don't care!"

I'm sure you feel like that anyway, Nate. Why don't you go ahead and start the movement?

Anyway, it looks like the Panama Papers is going to expose many of the elites throughout the world. Panama is known as a tax haven for the rich and powerful, and it's no surprise Hillary voted for that pathetic Panama deal in 2011. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders mentions this in the coming weeks.

I honestly didn't feel that way 2 years ago, but my attitude is changing - not my attitude about race, I'm referring to my attitude about anti-racists.

I maintain that most people have the same general thoughts about race as I do. Most people try to treat individuals based on the content of their character while simultaneously (and usually privately) acknowledging that different races, on average, have slightly different characteristics, good and bad, that go beyond the color of their skin. They may pretend they don't acknowledge this differences, but they do. (If this attitude didn't prevail, then, rich, liberal, SJW, do-gooder white people would choose to live in black neighborhoods, yet they don't.)

Where my attitude is changing is that I care less and less about the whining from SJW's when I point out factual differences between races. This notion that we should expect exactly equal outcome from every race in every facet of life is absurd because different races have different strengths and weaknesses (on average). I refuse to be cowed when someone tells me to believe something that is blatantly false.

Ok, first of all, shut the hell up with that SJW bull$h!t. That's completely uncalled for. You know that term is bs. The fact that you would use it means you are a sick f@ck whose opinion is completely worthless. What the hell? What kind of idiotic people do you hang out with that you think that's an acceptable term to use out loud in a forum full of non morons?

And this may surprise you, but a blatantly racist person's opinion about anti racists? Worth less than the **** paper I wipe the **** off my *** with.

[nate33]

I'm sure you feel like that anyway, Nate. Why don't you go ahead and start the movement?

Anyway, it looks like the Panama Papers is going to expose many of the elites throughout the world. Panama is known as a tax haven for the rich and powerful, and it's no surprise Hillary voted for that pathetic Panama deal in 2011. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders mentions this in the coming weeks.

I honestly didn't feel that way 2 years ago, but my attitude is changing - not my attitude about race, I'm referring to my attitude about anti-racists.

I maintain that most people have the same general thoughts about race as I do. Most people try to treat individuals based on the content of their character while simultaneously (and usually privately) acknowledging that different races, on average, have slightly different characteristics, good and bad, that go beyond the color of their skin. They may pretend they don't acknowledge this differences, but they do. (If this attitude didn't prevail, then, rich, liberal, SJW, do-gooder white people would choose to live in black neighborhoods, yet they don't.)

Where my attitude is changing is that I care less and less about the whining from SJW's when I point out factual differences between races. This notion that we should expect exactly equal outcome from every race in every facet of life is absurd because different races have different strengths and weaknesses (on average). I refuse to be cowed when someone tells me to believe something that is blatantly false.

Ok, first of all, shut the hell up with that SJW bull$h!t. That's completely uncalled for. You know that term is bs. The fact that you would use it means you are a sick f@ck whose opinion is completely worthless. What the hell? What kind of idiotic people do you hang out with that you think that's an acceptable term to use out loud in a forum full of non morons?

And this may surprise you, but a blatantly racist person's opinion about anti racists? Worth less than the **** paper I wipe the **** off my *** with.

The term "Social Justice Warrior" is that offensive? I had no idea. I considered it a bit derogatory much like the term "liberal" has become a bit derogatory, but I'm completely flummoxed by your outrage.

[AFM]

??? I'm confused too.

[nate33]

You are saying that punching up is okay but punching down is bad. I reject this argument.

The problem is, who gets to define up or down?

You're ascribing a false equivalence to the two things. Everyone on this thread is. Just because a white person and an African American might say similar things, the meaning of those words is not the same. The context is different.

When a white person says the N word it is understood to imply endorsement of the white power movement and all that entails. We all agree that's bad.

When an African American cuts up Donald Trump it has a completely different context. There's no history of African American domination of Trump's culture. It's just trash talk.

It's the difference between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker saying "I will end you." When Darth Vader says it, he means he will destroy your planet and any other planet that dares to align with you. When Luke says it he's basically spitting in the wind.

Exactly. Like I said before my post got deleted, black "racism" is relegated to stuff like youtube videos and words. White racism is institutional in nature. No one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet. Real racism is the Dothan Police Department planting drugs and guns on black males for the past 20 years. Racism is calling a certain group superpredators in order to criminalize a group for economic gain. Racism is taking away resources from the underprivileged class and giving it all to the dominant society. Stuff like the Azalia Banks thing, the GAP ad, and all this anecdotal crap reported by the right wing media is just a smokescreen. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the right wingers are paying people to be "outraged" by crap like this just so folks like Nate and AFM can make false equivalencies of racism.

Okay. So if I understand correctly, racism can only be applied by those with institutional power, and you can't be racist against those with institutional power.

Here's a thought experiment: Jews are 2% of the American population yet represent 48% of America's billionaires, 23% of the owners of Fortune 500 companies, and they own every major media outlet except Fox. Wouldn't that represent institutional power?

Am I allowed to say bad things about Jews now?

[AFM]

You are saying that punching up is okay but punching down is bad. I reject this argument.

The problem is, who gets to define up or down?

You're ascribing a false equivalence to the two things. Everyone on this thread is. Just because a white person and an African American might say similar things, the meaning of those words is not the same. The context is different.

When a white person says the N word it is understood to imply endorsement of the white power movement and all that entails. We all agree that's bad.

When an African American cuts up Donald Trump it has a completely different context. There's no history of African American domination of Trump's culture. It's just trash talk.

It's the difference between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker saying "I will end you." When Darth Vader says it, he means he will destroy your planet and any other planet that dares to align with you. When Luke says it he's basically spitting in the wind.

Exactly. Like I said before my post got deleted, black "racism" is relegated to stuff like youtube videos and words. White racism is institutional in nature. No one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet. Real racism is the Dothan Police Department planting drugs and guns on black males for the past 20 years. Racism is calling a certain group superpredators in order to criminalize a group for economic gain. Racism is taking away resources from the underprivileged class and giving it all to the dominant society. Stuff like the Azalia Banks thing, the GAP ad, and all this anecdotal crap reported by the right wing media is just a smokescreen. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the right wingers are paying people to be "outraged" by crap like this just so folks like Nate and AFM can make false equivalencies of racism.

Dude, please leave my name out of your posts. You clearly don't understand my politics at all. I actually agree with practically everything you wrote, sorry you didn't like the video I posted, which I found humorous. I was clearly saying those kids rapping were just as bad as corrupt police departments, the blatantly racist war on drugs, slavery, jim crow, all of it. Thanks for enlightening my position for the board.

You know, if I share a Gap ad that got taken down, something I find amusing because it is oh-so stupid, that doesn't mean I think it's worse or more important than institutionalized racism, right? Sorry, I'll be sure not to share anything else with this board. Only super serious stuff from now on. Carry on, gentlemen.

[TGW]

Okay. So if I understand correctly, racism can only be applied by those with institutional power, and you can't be racist against those with institutional power.

Here's a thought experiment: Jews are 2% of the American population yet represent 48% of America's billionaires, 23% of the owners of Fortune 500 companies, and they own every major media outlet except Fox. Wouldn't that represent institutional power?

Am I allowed to say bad things about Jews now?

You're missing the point. I never said you can't be racist to those with power and I never condoned any type of racism in general. I said the level of racism is not even, and trying to equate institutional racism with anecdotal racism is being intellectually dishonest.

[nate33]

Like I said before my post got deleted, black "racism" is relegated to stuff like youtube videos and words. White racism is institutional in nature. No one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet. Real racism is the Dothan Police Department planting drugs and guns on black males for the past 20 years. Racism is calling a certain group superpredators in order to criminalize a group for economic gain. Racism is taking away resources from the underprivileged class and giving it all to the dominant society. Stuff like the Azalia Banks thing, the GAP ad, and all this anecdotal crap reported by the right wing media is just a smokescreen.

To some extent, I agree with this. Certainly institutional racism is bad. But nobody defends institutional racism so it's kind of a moot point. 99% of America is in favor of it being stamped out.

I disagree with your point that "no one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet". The problem is that these liberals on the internet get people fired. That's where the double standard lies. Stupid racist BS like Azalea Banks' gets ignored. Stupid racist BS like the Gap ad gets people fired.