2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[ET Da Gawd]

Not really, I've been watching ACC bball all year....He's not that dynamic, handles weak, drives weak. Can't go at people his size. Not a great passer, no triple threat moves whatsoever. He basically a skinnier wiggins, no chances at being a top player in the league. Doesn't shoot better than hield, doesnt take it to the rim stronger and finish better than simmons.

[Ericb5]

Buddys actually a better shooter than Ingram soooo....I mean, everyone pretty much wants Ingram because he can shoot 3s and nothing else, why not go with the actual better shooter then? The whole league is going nuts for the next Steph/Klay, ummmm Buddys the closest and cats dont want him? This is how a steph/klay ends up on a GSW because all these "experts" say these dudes cant play in the NBA because they dont do windmills on fastbreaks. I care about who can put it in the basket period. Buddy Hield would be our Klay Thompson, which is what we need if we plan on using Embiid & Okafor efficiently. Ben Simmons is a true dynamic 3 who can do many things, Ingram is just a shooter. If I'm picking a 3, I want someone with a multifaceted game who can help the team in many categories. If I want a shooter I'll go with hield.

I'm not sure you've seen any Ingram games. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying he's just "a glorified shooter". He plays great defense, has handles, passes very well (not as well as Simmons, but most don't), and he limits his turnovers as a playmaker.

Oh yea, he's also 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan and runs like a guard.

Hield is good, and he should be a top 10 pick, but he's not the prospect that Ingram is.

Agreed.

I believe that Ingram is a tier below Simmons as a prospect, but is still a tier above everyone else.

[Negrodamus]

Not really, I've been watching ACC bball all year....He's not that dynamic, handles weak, drives weak. Can't go at people his size. Not a great passer, no triple threat moves whatsoever. He basically a skinnier wiggins, no chances at being a top player in the league. Doesn't shoot better than hield, doesnt take it to the rim stronger and finish better than simmons.

Actually, Ingram did shoot better. Compare Buddy Hield's freshman (and sophomore, and junior) year to Ingram's freshman year and you'll see that Ingram was by far the better player.

[ET Da Gawd]

Not really, I've been watching ACC bball all year....He's not that dynamic, handles weak, drives weak. Can't go at people his size. Not a great passer, no triple threat moves whatsoever. He basically a skinnier wiggins, no chances at being a top player in the league. Doesn't shoot better than hield, doesnt take it to the rim stronger and finish better than simmons.

Actually, Ingram did shoot better. Compare Buddy Hield's freshman (and sophomore, and junior) year to Ingram's freshman year and you'll see that Ingram was by far the better player.

I'm talking about right now, Buddy is the best shooter in the country and draft. If everyone wants to hit 3s so bad idk understand why you don't draft him. Much more physical and drives better than brad beal. Ben/Buddy/Dunn/Murray/Brown is my board. Buddy is the type of player we need to compete with the new 3pt heavy style. You're obvs not drafting ingram for his driving and/or finishing ability. So if we're focusing on shooting, I'm selecting the best shooter. Not tryna look like the dumbasses who passed on curry/klay because "analytics" or their "lack of athleticism"

[KramerDSP]

Dragan Bender officially entered the '16 Draft. His buyout is "over $1 million. He is done with Europe, not a draft-and-stash" per David Pick. Bodner adds that teams can contribute up to $650k and depending on how far over the million dollar buyout is, should be do-able as a top 5 pick".

Is it too early to start dreaming about a Dragan Bender-Joel Embiid front court?

[Negrodamus]

Not really, I've been watching ACC bball all year....He's not that dynamic, handles weak, drives weak. Can't go at people his size. Not a great passer, no triple threat moves whatsoever. He basically a skinnier wiggins, no chances at being a top player in the league. Doesn't shoot better than hield, doesnt take it to the rim stronger and finish better than simmons.

Actually, Ingram did shoot better. Compare Buddy Hield's freshman (and sophomore, and junior) year to Ingram's freshman year and you'll see that Ingram was by far the better player.

I'm talking about right now, Buddy is the best shooter in the country and draft. If everyone wants to hit 3s so bad idk understand why you don't draft him. Much more physical and drives better than brad beal. Ben/Buddy/Dunn/Murray/Brown is my board. Buddy is the type of player we need to compete with the new 3pt heavy style. You're obvs not drafting ingram for his driving and/or finishing ability. So if we're focusing on shooting, I'm selecting the best shooter. Not tryna look like the dumbasses who passed on curry/klay because "analytics" or their "lack of athleticism"

Well, then you drafted JJ Redick, Jodie Meeks, Jimmer Fredette, John Jenkins....

If you try to conform to the "flavor of the month", you miss out on talent. If 3pt shooting is the cool thing to do, I'd sure love to have someone that could defend a 3pt shooter. Ingram defending Klay would give Klay hell with his length.

I get that you want instant gratification, but if we get a great "right now" shooter like Hield and miss on Ingram filling out, getting better athletically/stronger along with all of his incredible qualities that he possess right now, then we missed out on a great player for a great shooter.

[ET Da Gawd]

Actually, Ingram did shoot better. Compare Buddy Hield's freshman (and sophomore, and junior) year to Ingram's freshman year and you'll see that Ingram was by far the better player.

I'm talking about right now, Buddy is the best shooter in the country and draft. If everyone wants to hit 3s so bad idk understand why you don't draft him. Much more physical and drives better than brad beal. Ben/Buddy/Dunn/Murray/Brown is my board. Buddy is the type of player we need to compete with the new 3pt heavy style. You're obvs not drafting ingram for his driving and/or finishing ability. So if we're focusing on shooting, I'm selecting the best shooter. Not tryna look like the dumbasses who passed on curry/klay because "analytics" or their "lack of athleticism"

Well, then you drafted JJ Redick, Jodie Meeks, Jimmer Fredette, John Jenkins....

If you try to conform to the "flavor of the month", you miss out on talent. If 3pt shooting is the cool thing to do, I'd sure love to have someone that could defend a 3pt shooter. Ingram defending Klay would give Klay hell with his length.

I get that you want instant gratification, but if we get a great "right now" shooter like Hield and miss on Ingram filling out, getting better athletically/stronger along with all of his incredible qualities that he possess right now, then we missed out on a great player for a great shooter.

1st off, why are you so conviced Ingram will fill out? I doubt it, he doesn't seem like he'll be in the gym every summer working on making gains. He'll be working on his 3, yall know damn well he gonna be a slim 3pt chucker. I'm good on 6'9 wings with no rim attacking or bullying ability. I really don't see whats so exciting about the kid, he just puts his feet together and throws up 3s like Roco. When it comes to buddy, get a PG with IQ and attacking ability and buddy will be eating off of screens. None of those shooters you mentioned have the body or ball handling escape moves like buddy either my g.

[Ericb5]

Jeff Goodman reporting that Grayson Allen is returning to school.

Wow, that surprises me.

He had about as good a year as he could possibly have this year, so I'm not sure what he has to improve on next year. However, this just makes it clear that Duke is going to have an epic team next year.

[Stanford]

Bender's buyout makes feel a little better about the possibility of sliding to third.

[Dell]

I don't know, can we really take 7-footers three years in a row?

Allen staying in school is a huge shock. That Duke team is going to be absolutely loaded.

[mrfantast1c]

I'm talking about right now, Buddy is the best shooter in the country and draft. If everyone wants to hit 3s so bad idk understand why you don't draft him. Much more physical and drives better than brad beal. Ben/Buddy/Dunn/Murray/Brown is my board. Buddy is the type of player we need to compete with the new 3pt heavy style. You're obvs not drafting ingram for his driving and/or finishing ability. So if we're focusing on shooting, I'm selecting the best shooter. Not tryna look like the dumbasses who passed on curry/klay because "analytics" or their "lack of athleticism"

Well, then you drafted JJ Redick, Jodie Meeks, Jimmer Fredette, John Jenkins....

If you try to conform to the "flavor of the month", you miss out on talent. If 3pt shooting is the cool thing to do, I'd sure love to have someone that could defend a 3pt shooter. Ingram defending Klay would give Klay hell with his length.

I get that you want instant gratification, but if we get a great "right now" shooter like Hield and miss on Ingram filling out, getting better athletically/stronger along with all of his incredible qualities that he possess right now, then we missed out on a great player for a great shooter.

1st off, why are you so conviced Ingram will fill out? I doubt it, he doesn't seem like he'll be in the gym every summer working on making gains. He'll be working on his 3, yall know damn well he gonna be a slim 3pt chucker. I'm good on 6'9 wings with no rim attacking or bullying ability. I really don't see whats so exciting about the kid, he just puts his feet together and throws up 3s like Roco. When it comes to buddy, get a PG with IQ and attacking ability and buddy will be eating off of screens. None of those shooters you mentioned have the body or ball handling escape moves like buddy either my g.

Buddy is nothing special my friend. There have been tons of juniors and seniors who have shot the ball well, and went on to be average players or worst in the NBA. Jodie Meeks and Buddy Hield looked very similar in college. Would you draft Jodie Meeks over Paul George? Because that's what drafting buddy over Ingram would be like. Undersized shooters are common around the NBA. 6'9 two way forwards are not.

[ET Da Gawd]

^^Only time will tell my friend, I see Ingram as a slightly more athletic James Posey. spot up shooter, thats all. Buddy Hield can be be a top shooting guard in the league.

[lotto29]

Warning : if we select bender with our pick, we'll most likely be able to bring only one of Saric or Bender in. Only 650k max for season to buyouts. That would be 325k for each. No way either one does that.

[XtremeDunkz]

Warning : if we select bender with our pick, we'll most likely be able to bring only one of Saric or Bender in. Only 650k max for season to buyouts. That would be 325k for each. No way either one does that.

I thought Saric has a clean out of his contract after this season AKA doesn't need a buyout.

[lotto29]

Warning : if we select bender with our pick, we'll most likely be able to bring only one of Saric or Bender in. Only 650k max for season to buyouts. That would be 325k for each. No way either one does that.

I thought Saric has a clean out of his contract after this season AKA doesn't need a buyout.

He has. It's when his contract ends. Which is next year or two years from now if I'm not mistaken. But this year, he has a 900k buyout.

[Ericb5]

Warning : if we select bender with our pick, we'll most likely be able to bring only one of Saric or Bender in. Only 650k max for season to buyouts. That would be 325k for each. No way either one does that.

Interesting point.

If we ended up with the Lakers pick this year then I would be ok with Bender and just let him stay for another year in Europe.

[lotto29]

Warning : if we select bender with our pick, we'll most likely be able to bring only one of Saric or Bender in. Only 650k max for season to buyouts. That would be 325k for each. No way either one does that.

Interesting point.

If we ended up with the Lakers pick this year then I would be ok with Bender and just let him stay for another year in Europe.

Take Murray and be done with it.

[Negrodamus]

Warning : if we select bender with our pick, we'll most likely be able to bring only one of Saric or Bender in. Only 650k max for season to buyouts. That would be 325k for each. No way either one does that.

Interesting point.

If we ended up with the Lakers pick this year then I would be ok with Bender and just let him stay for another year in Europe.

Take Murray and be done with it.

More like "be Dunn with it" if you ask me.

[Ericb5]

Warning : if we select bender with our pick, we'll most likely be able to bring only one of Saric or Bender in. Only 650k max for season to buyouts. That would be 325k for each. No way either one does that.

Interesting point.

If we ended up with the Lakers pick this year then I would be ok with Bender and just let him stay for another year in Europe.

Take Murray and be done with it.

We could, but if Bender is a better player than Murray then I would prefer him.

Bender is a bit of a wildcard for me right now. I don't KNOW if he is a better player than Murray, but if Hinkie thinks that he will be another Porzingis then he will be worth taking. I don't think that Murray has a super high ceiling.

[Negrodamus]

^^Only time will tell my friend, I see Ingram as a slightly more athletic James Posey. spot up shooter, thats all. Buddy Hield can be be a top shooting guard in the league.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but there are few who share your opinion of Hield over Ingram. I don't think it's outlandish to believe Ingram can become a star in this league.