Potential sleepers

[Dr Positivity]

Walker could get attention cause he's one of the best shooters in the class. According to the shooting formula I nabbed from Nylon Calculus that takes into account 3PM and FT% in addition to 3P%, Walker only rated behind Hield and Valentine among the prospects on my spreadsheet

[Notanoob]

Walker has a great jumpshot, is great from the line, draws fouls really well, and has a nice A/TO even though he doesn't get as many assists as you'd like for a PG. Doesn't get to the rim much though or finish well despite his size.

Looks to me like a shooter off the bench who you let handle the ball in a pinch. Potentially productive guy you can still pick up in the second round.

[Ruzious]

He is a role player in the NBA. What is wrong with that? Teams are looking for good role players late into the first round.

Good to know that the sentiment is there from scouts. May I ask who in particular? Would want to follow as well.

His best asset is his ability to close out fast on opposition and impact jump shooters. That will not change in the NBA and that is something players like Battier used to carve a niche out in the NBA. It's not just the passing lanes. And in the passing lanes, I don't think you can honestly say that most of the passes he is stealing are bad passes. He has good anticipatory instincts.

He is great at rebounding because he is extremely physical and has a nose for the ball (same reason he is impactful on D). He is able to out-rebound bigger players simply by his physicality.

He does that, but it remains to be seen if he has to do that to dunk. If he has a poor vert, how is he able to consistently out-rebound big men fighting for the same ball? This happened all season. So unless you think he has a Zach Randolph-type presence boxing out (fundamentals), I am not seeing the same player.

I would venture to say that nobody has helped his stock more in the Tournament than Josh Hart, and if he does well vs UNC, the Internet mock draft folks will be scrambling to bump him way up on their mocks. The UNC game isn't just a great test for how he plays going for a national championship, it's big for him to show if his skills are effective against an excellent front court. I think the kid is an excellent prospect - someone I overlooked. The fact that he's so good scoring inside and rebounds so well give him advantages over someone like Hield. Whether or not these skills come from athleticism - I'm not sure it matters. What they show is that he's a better player than generally given credit for. He does look like a better than average athlete - better than some guards who will go first round this year.

[No-Man]

I am not so sure if he is as quick as Danny Green in terms of feet and defensively and he is certainly not the same vertical athlete, check Danny at UNC if you need to, but they compare similarly, Hart's instincts and ball skills in terms of reading where the basketball is all the time are off the charts, he might not be uberly athletic but he knows and he anticipates always, he makes quick NBA reads defensively, that is money.

Dunno if he declares.

[mavs77777]

Here are some sleepers I like:
Deyonta Davis: He's in top 10 for me
Timothe Luwawe: Ceiling is ridiculous, he's number 4 on my board (after Simmons/Ingram/Bender), he still has a long way to go but showed flashes of pick n roll feel and his jumper has made big progress. His handle is still somewhat shaky, but in this draft it's hard to see many players with a higher ceiling than him and I just don't see how you can justify someone like Hield/Dunn/Murray over him. Athletic freak with all the tools to be a very good defender.
Wade Baldwin: He's my top PG in the draft, smart player that can shoot/defend, but he probably fits best next to a primary ball handling wing. Not the best ball handler/creater, I think of him kind of like George Hill, only Baldwin is closer to a PG when they both were prospects.

Overrated:
Dunn: Sorry but I just can't get on board with Dunn as a top 5 prospect in this draft (or 10), he plays out of control, his mechanics on his jumper as well as his ft% make it seem his three point % is a big fluke. He's a very good defensive prospect, probably the best in this draft, and can get to rim some, so I'm fine in the mid first round, but I think he's grossly overrated.
Murray: What do you call a SG that is going to have a -2 DRPM and can't create space for himself off the dribble? Surely not a top 5 pick. He's not JJ Redick
Hield: He has one year of shooting like this, it's important to note how much age has proven to matter when it comes to NCAA performance, he has a little bit of a drive game but I still see him struggling to finish at the rim in the NBA, and he won't get to rim at all, he's also most likely a minus defender. Amazing college year, not worth a top pick

[mavs77777]

I like Hart as a potential second round guy if he comes out, but there is little to suggest he is near the shooter green is (though for a weird reason green has sucked shooting this year)

[mavs77777]

Myles Turner was SOOOOO much better last year then Thomas Bryant has been this year

All of Myles Turner's hype was from high school, scouts discounted his college season and didn't care much until he started to work out with teams.

Scouts discounting his college season is why he slipped so far, his advanced numbers were very strong.

[mavs77777]

A lot of Oregon prospects are getting more attention after their tournament run, the one that stands out the most to me is Jordan Bell. Doesn't look very skilled but put up good numbers of steals, blocks, assists, TS%, and just looks like a sick athlete

I was looking at Nova to see if anyone but Hart deserves consideration, I wonder if Daniel Ochefu should get a little more attention. He is one of the longest big men in the class and has elite rebounding and good shotblocking and assist numbers. Maybe he can be NBA player by rebounding, blocking shots and dunking

Issue with Bell is he's like a 6'6 or so PF with no skill level, he'll go back to school.

[Ruzious]

I am not so sure if he is as quick as Danny Green in terms of feet and defensively and he is certainly not the same vertical athlete, check Danny at UNC if you need to, but they compare similarly, Hart's instincts and ball skills in terms of reading where the basketball is all the time are off the charts, he might not be uberly athletic but he knows and he anticipates always, he makes quick NBA reads defensively, that is money.

Dunno if he declares.

Right, Green was a classic sleeper - in part because he came off the bench for 4 years at UNC on some very talented teams. Green's definitely longer than Hart to the extent that he's long enough to guard 3's. But Hart may be his equal in defensive instincts and other facets of the game. Despite his average length, I think he's a better scorer inside the paint - due to his instincts.

[King Ken]

Here are some sleepers I like:
Deyonta Davis: He's in top 10 for me
Timothe Luwawe: Ceiling is ridiculous, he's number 4 on my board (after Simmons/Ingram/Bender), he still has a long way to go but showed flashes of pick n roll feel and his jumper has made big progress. His handle is still somewhat shaky, but in this draft it's hard to see many players with a higher ceiling than him and I just don't see how you can justify someone like Hield/Dunn/Murray over him. Athletic freak with all the tools to be a very good defender.
Wade Baldwin: He's my top PG in the draft, smart player that can shoot/defend, but he probably fits best next to a primary ball handling wing. Not the best ball handler/creater, I think of him kind of like George Hill, only Baldwin is closer to a PG when they both were prospects.

Overrated:
Dunn: Sorry but I just can't get on board with Dunn as a top 5 prospect in this draft (or 10), he plays out of control, his mechanics on his jumper as well as his ft% make it seem his three point % is a big fluke. He's a very good defensive prospect, probably the best in this draft, and can get to rim some, so I'm fine in the mid first round, but I think he's grossly overrated.
Murray: What do you call a SG that is going to have a -2 DRPM and can't create space for himself off the dribble? Surely not a top 5 pick. He's not JJ Redick
Hield: He has one year of shooting like this, it's important to note how much age has proven to matter when it comes to NCAA performance, he has a little bit of a drive game but I still see him struggling to finish at the rim in the NBA, and he won't get to rim at all, he's also most likely a minus defender. Amazing college year, not worth a top pick

Luwaulu, Brice Johnson and Baldwin are two players who stock can shoot up. Both are average skilled players who are very good athletes with high ceilings. Those guys always shoot up during workouts.

Guys who stock could drop is Hield, Jaylen Brown and Denzel Valentine. For different reasons. Hield is a very skilled, decent athlete who is under height for a SG. While their will be teams who will be interested. The average bottom teams who play lousy team defense and they rather younger developmental prospects with high ceilings will pass.

Jaylen is your regular high ceiling, low floor prospect who needs a lot of Polish. These guys always drop or if they get over slotted, they quickly bust. It almost never fails. While his system versatility ceiling is a tad higher than Kelly Oubre due to his general intelligence, he's a less effective player at this stage than Oubre was last year. Oubre was a good college player. Brown is a decent to solid one. Both had streaky years but Oubre was better in most advanced stats out of college.

Valentine is a better player than Kyle Anderson was at UCLA right now. But he's older and his game will have to adjust to NBA speed. I could see a Anderson like slide for him and it would be well deserved. For all the Green hype, it could Green years to get PT and it had to be in the right system with the right personnel. That is so hard to do in the NBA. Teams will pass on him. I do think Boston might target him with their mid-late 1st.

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[King Ken]

I am not so sure if he is as quick as Danny Green in terms of feet and defensively and he is certainly not the same vertical athlete, check Danny at UNC if you need to, but they compare similarly, Hart's instincts and ball skills in terms of reading where the basketball is all the time are off the charts, he might not be uberly athletic but he knows and he anticipates always, he makes quick NBA reads defensively, that is money.

Dunno if he declares.

Right, Green was a classic sleeper - in part because he came off the bench for 4 years at UNC on some very talented teams. Green's definitely longer than Hart to the extent that he's long enough to guard 3's. But Hart may be his equal in defensive instincts and other facets of the game. Despite his average length, I think he's a better scorer inside the paint - due to his instincts.

This might be a weak underclassman draft but it is a really strong potential role player and upperclassmen draft. A lot of solid seniors and juniors in this class compared to last year. They will take time and the NBA hates 22 year Olds who will take time but once they get it, they could carve out a nice role for them in the NBA. Hart for example.

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[doordoor123]

Here are some sleepers I like:
Deyonta Davis: He's in top 10 for me
Timothe Luwawe: Ceiling is ridiculous, he's number 4 on my board (after Simmons/Ingram/Bender), he still has a long way to go but showed flashes of pick n roll feel and his jumper has made big progress. His handle is still somewhat shaky, but in this draft it's hard to see many players with a higher ceiling than him and I just don't see how you can justify someone like Hield/Dunn/Murray over him. Athletic freak with all the tools to be a very good defender.
Wade Baldwin: He's my top PG in the draft, smart player that can shoot/defend, but he probably fits best next to a primary ball handling wing. Not the best ball handler/creater, I think of him kind of like George Hill, only Baldwin is closer to a PG when they both were prospects.

Overrated:
Dunn: Sorry but I just can't get on board with Dunn as a top 5 prospect in this draft (or 10), he plays out of control, his mechanics on his jumper as well as his ft% make it seem his three point % is a big fluke. He's a very good defensive prospect, probably the best in this draft, and can get to rim some, so I'm fine in the mid first round, but I think he's grossly overrated.
Murray: What do you call a SG that is going to have a -2 DRPM and can't create space for himself off the dribble? Surely not a top 5 pick. He's not JJ Redick
Hield: He has one year of shooting like this, it's important to note how much age has proven to matter when it comes to NCAA performance, he has a little bit of a drive game but I still see him struggling to finish at the rim in the NBA, and he won't get to rim at all, he's also most likely a minus defender. Amazing college year, not worth a top pick

Luwaulu, Brice Johnson and Baldwin are two players who stock can shoot up. Both are average skilled players who are very good athletes with high ceilings. Those guys always shoot up during workouts.

Guys who stock could drop is Hield, Jaylen Brown and Denzel Valentine. For different reasons. Hield is a very skilled, decent athlete who is under height for a SG. While their will be teams who will be interested. The average bottom teams who play lousy team defense and they rather younger developmental prospects with high ceilings will pass.

Jaylen is your regular high ceiling, low floor prospect who needs a lot of Polish. These guys always drop or if they get over slotted, they quickly bust. It almost never fails. While his system versatility ceiling is a tad higher than Kelly Oubre due to his general intelligence, he's a less effective player at this stage than Oubre was last year. Oubre was a good college player. Brown is a decent to solid one. Both had streaky years but Oubre was better in most advanced stats out of college.

Valentine is a better player than Kyle Anderson was at UCLA right now. But he's older and his game will have to adjust to NBA speed. I could see a Anderson like slide for him and it would be well deserved. For all the Green hype, it could Green years to get PT and it had to be in the right system with the right personnel. That is so hard to do in the NBA. Teams will pass on him. I do think Boston might target him with their mid-late 1st.

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This gives me a headache.

Luwawu is going to be good with a high ceiling. Brice Johnson is older and has a lot to adjust to, but he can be pretty good. Baldwin has a good body and a good jumper, but lacks any defining factors. Baldwin caps out as a below average starter, who is more of a shooting guard than a PG.

Hield, while not as athletic, is a proven player. If his stock drops, it is because of other stocks have risen. Otherwise, it's unlikely his stock drops. It's the same with Denzel Valentine, who is a versatile player at his position. Having said that, he reason Kyle Anderson slid was because of how slow he was, how bad he was defensively and the lack of position. Valentine is slow, but he isn't THAT slow, he's not great defensively, but he has potential there and he has a position he can play in the NBA.

Jalyen Brown is unlikely to bust for his defensive ability, size and ability to draw fouls. Even if he can't score he has a place in the league. And what you're saying about Oubre is ridiculous. He was a raw prospect who has rarely gotten time to play and needs time to develop, but he has great enough tools to be the best wing in that class. Having said that, he wasn't a good college player and didn't start to show anything till the latter part of the season.

Murray and Dunn are fine players. I have the same issues with both players, but they both have a position in the league no matter what. Dunn will figure it out and will be able to play point with good defense and Murray will have his jump shot (if the rest doesnt work itself out). Either way, both are still valuable players.

[Saints14]

I was very impressed with Ochefu in this tournament. Nearly 7 foot, excellent footwork, can protect the rim and has good vision for a big. I think any team who snags him in the 2nd round is getting a guy who can give you a solid 10-15 minutes per game right off the bat.

[doordoor123]

Justin Jackson looks awkward, but he has it all to make it in the league. I think the way he looks actually affects his draft status. Could be a very good starter and worthy of a first round pick. I'd start considering him around pick 18. He's 6'8, runs the floor very well, passes well, sweet mid-range game, 6'10 or '11 wingspan, can hit threes, good rebounder, etc. His only real issue is his frame and I think that's fine if he's playing SF. I see him as a Doc Rivers pick and he'd be good for the Clippers.

[doordoor123]

The biggest sleeping IMO is Shawn Long. Everyone just forgot about him, but he's a BIG sleeper. Should be a first round pick, ahead a lot of these guys projected.

My top three sleepers:
1. Shawn Long
2. Justin Jackson
3. David Walker

[kennydorglas]

I love Mikal Bridges and Anthony Lawrence Jr.

[doordoor123]

Apparently Chad Ford is saying its been reported Ben Bentil could have 7'2 wingspan. If he does and he's actually 6'9 he's going to be a first rounder.

[No-Man]

Apparently Chad Ford is saying its been reported Ben Bentil could have 7'2 wingspan. If he does and he's actually 6'9 he's going to be a first rounder.

No he is not, he is still a guy that has no position defensively and pretty much doesnt do nothing more than shoot the ball.

[Mik317]

Apparently Chad Ford is saying its been reported Ben Bentil could have 7'2 wingspan. If he does and he's actually 6'9 he's going to be a first rounder.

No he is not, he is still a guy that has no position defensively and pretty much doesnt do nothing more than shoot the ball.

Thats pretty important and needed league wide, no?

[Rockmaninoff]

I think Demarcus "BaeBae" Daniels from North Florida has some potential to be a bench 3+D forward.