Political Roundtable Part IX

[AFM]

Like I said before my post got deleted, black "racism" is relegated to stuff like youtube videos and words. White racism is institutional in nature. No one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet. Real racism is the Dothan Police Department planting drugs and guns on black males for the past 20 years. Racism is calling a certain group superpredators in order to criminalize a group for economic gain. Racism is taking away resources from the underprivileged class and giving it all to the dominant society. Stuff like the Azalia Banks thing, the GAP ad, and all this anecdotal crap reported by the right wing media is just a smokescreen.

To some extent, I agree with this. Certainly institutional racism is bad. But nobody defends institutional racism so it's kind of a moot point. 99% of America is in favor of it being stamped out.

I disagree with your point that "no one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet". The problem is that these liberals on the internet get people fired. That's where the double standard lies. Stupid racist BS like Azalea Banks' gets ignored. Stupid racist BS like the Gap ad gets people fired.

Gets people fired? My best friend had two hit pieces written against him by Jezebel, because he wrote something they found "offensive". (Not going into more details than that). It practically ruined his life. I know Zonk doesn't like the word SJW (someone getting offended by the term SJW, theres a joke in there somewhere...) but they practically live to censor and troll people whose words they find "offensive".

I remember when most of the censorship in this country came from the religious right. Now the pendulum has swung completely the other direction.

Edit-so you can imagine how happy I was when I heard about Gawker's lawsuit last month. Man, I hate that site.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I don't think their will be any kick back on any US politicians because the list had virtually no American citizens. We don't need it since we are the master country at setting up shell corporations.

Given that the entire list will almost certainly never be released, I'm not so sure there were virtually no American citizens on it. To be honest, that's the sort of action (not releasing the entire list) that is going to cause all sorts of conspiracy theories and only serve to further increase anti-American sentiment, given that the American government was most upset with Snowden and Wikileaks and crying to try and have those things not released fully for fear of their national self-interest.

That said, personally, I don't expect a lot of names there, but I won't be shocked if, a few years from now, we don't see a leak that does include a lot of Americans on it, albeit probably from another country/company. Eventually, somebody is going to be disgruntled both at their employer and at the US from one of the tax havens that gets used more frequently by Americans. I see a lot of fear out there among the larger and wealthier institutions to try and keep this story calm and out of the way at this point, even though for the time being they don't have anything immediate to worry about. It's clear that loopholes are being exploited all over the place in America, though. Pfizer wasn't going to buy Allergan because they loved the business opportunity - they'd take them on to exploit a tax loophole, though, and have quickly backed out at the mere mention that inversions will be cracked down upon.

You know, if I share a Gap ad that got taken down, something I find amusing because it is oh-so stupid, that doesn't mean I think it's worse or more important than institutionalized racism, right? Sorry, I'll be sure not to share anything else with this board. Only super serious stuff from now on. Carry on, gentlemen.

Heh, I hear you. Although I don't agree with the censorship being more on the leftist side of things. I think the groupthink mobs and echo chambers are increasing exponentially on both sides, which is just plain bad news for both sides, too, as the middle ground is going to be occupied by the likes of Hillary, who will run things for the wealthy. Racism is terrible and matters, but getting worked up over adds like that honestly distracts from those who are experiencing real racism. The air of smug superiority is strong on both sides of our society lately. Just so many hypocrites looking for reasons to tear others down. Not lost on me regarding those aforementioned Panama papers was the fact that the head of Chile's Transparency International had to step down.

[dckingsfan]

I don't think their will be any kick back on any US politicians because the list had virtually no American citizens. We don't need it since we are the master country at setting up shell corporations.

Given that the entire list will almost certainly never be released, I'm not so sure there were virtually no American citizens on it. To be honest, that's the sort of action (not releasing the entire list) that is going to cause all sorts of conspiracy theories and only serve to further increase anti-American sentiment, given that the American government was most upset with Snowden and Wikileaks and crying to try and have those things not released fully for fear of their national self-interest.

That said, personally, I don't expect a lot of names there, but I won't be shocked if, a few years from now, we don't see a leak that does include a lot of Americans on it, albeit probably from another country/company. Eventually, somebody is going to be disgruntled both at their employer and at the US from one of the tax havens that gets used more frequently by Americans. I see a lot of fear out there among the larger and wealthier institutions to try and keep this story calm and out of the way at this point, even though for the time being they don't have anything immediate to worry about.

I think you would have to dig deep to find any Americans in there... again, we are the masters of setting up shell corporations in our own country.

[JWizmentality]

That gap ad thing had me fuming. I'm so pissed gap apologised for that. What nonsense. Internet liberals smh.

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[DCZards]

Gap clearly needs a political correctness officer on the shoots. Or not allow mixed shoots.

My older daughter used to do this to my younger daughter - it was a sign of affection - smh.

Agree with it or not, in some people's view the Gap pose says control or dominance rather than affection. It's not about political correctness. It's about racial sensitivity.

[TGW]

Like I said before my post got deleted, black "racism" is relegated to stuff like youtube videos and words. White racism is institutional in nature. No one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet. Real racism is the Dothan Police Department planting drugs and guns on black males for the past 20 years. Racism is calling a certain group superpredators in order to criminalize a group for economic gain. Racism is taking away resources from the underprivileged class and giving it all to the dominant society. Stuff like the Azalia Banks thing, the GAP ad, and all this anecdotal crap reported by the right wing media is just a smokescreen.

To some extent, I agree with this. Certainly institutional racism is bad. But nobody defends institutional racism so it's kind of a moot point. 99% of America is in favor of it being stamped out.

I disagree with your point that "no one cares about a stupid GAP ad except for some lib on the internet". The problem is that these liberals on the internet get people fired. That's where the double standard lies. Stupid racist BS like Azalea Banks' gets ignored. Stupid racist BS like the Gap ad gets people fired.

I'm sure if Azalia Banks had an actual job (I don't think internet troll counts), she would have been fired by now.

On the flip side, Sarah Palin literally said she would condone racism in her response (she meant "condemn"), so take that as you may.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Agree with it or not, in some people's view the Gap pose says control or dominance rather than affection. It's not about political correctness. It's about racial sensitivity.

Wait, so just because some people think one thin says control or dominance suddenly we have to change things? You realize how dangerous that gets, right? Anyone can say basically anything says control or dominance to them to get things taken down. Where do you draw the line? And whoever it is drawing that line has a whole lot of control or dominance themselves. Racial sensitivy? Sure. But get real. I mean, where are the complaints that there are no Asians in the picture? That's racially insensitive, too. What about everyone calling them the Panama papers clearly denigrating a nation based on the actions of one company who helped a bunch of other companies and individuals from other countries?

I think you would have to dig deep to find any Americans in there... again, we are the masters of setting up shell corporations in our own country.

This is probably true. One thing to note about those papers is that Nevada, while not nearly as prominent as the British Virgin Islands and Panama itself, actually ranks pretty damn highly as a location in which to create shell corporations on those lists. Nevada is probably the worst, but Wyoming and Delaware are also awful for this. Basically, individual states are already allowing Americans to avoid paying taxes with ease, so they don't need to go abroad to do it, although I understand that Singapore is probably the more likely location of any offshore American accounts.

[AFM]

I much prefer Lisa Ann playing Sarah Palin to Sarah Palin playing Sarah Palin.

[JWizmentality]

Gap clearly needs a political correctness officer on the shoots. Or not allow mixed shoots.

My older daughter used to do this to my younger daughter - it was a sign of affection - smh.

Agree with it or not, in some people's view the Gap pose says control or dominance rather than affection. It's not about political correctness. It's about racial sensitivity.

But it's not. It's just not. I can pull multiple similar ads and find something to be offended about. It's absolute nonsense that gives credence to the conservatives PC war. Same with dumb chick who attacked the white guy for dreadlocks. There are real issues out there. This is not one of them. This is lazy, half assed, bitter, faux activism.

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[DCZards]

But it's not. It's just not. I can pull multiple similar ads and find something to be offended about. It's absolute nonsense that gives credence to the conservatives PC war. Same with dumb chick who attacked the white guy for dreadlocks. There are real issues out there. This is not one of them. This is lazy, half assed, bitter, faux activism.

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Sorry, JWiz, neither you nor I get to decide what offends another person. Or what racial imagery another person deems important enough to complain about.

[AFM]

I was really hoping nobody would bring up the dreadlocks incident. Good pre-workout motivation.

[DCZards]

I_Like_Dirt
Wait, so just because some people think one thin says control or dominance suddenly we have to change things? You realize how dangerous that gets, right? Anyone can say basically anything says control or dominance to them to get things taken down. Where do you draw the line? And whoever it is drawing that line has a whole lot of control or dominance themselves. Racial sensitivy? Sure. But get real. I mean, where are the complaints that there are no Asians in the picture? That's racially insensitive, too. What about everyone calling them the Panama papers clearly denigrating a nation based on the actions of one company who helped a bunch of other companies and individuals from other countries?

People have a First Amendment right to complain or protest. If you don't like the outcome, blame Gap for giving in. But don't blame people for exercising their rights.

[AFM]

But it's not. It's just not. I can pull multiple similar ads and find something to be offended about. It's absolute nonsense that gives credence to the conservatives PC war. Same with dumb chick who attacked the white guy for dreadlocks. There are real issues out there. This is not one of them. This is lazy, half assed, bitter, faux activism.

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Sorry, JWiz, neither you nor I get to decide what offends another person. Or what racial imagery another person deems important enough to complain about.

You are completely missing the point. It's not about whether someone, somewhere, on some planet, finds something offensive.

Guess what?

There are people that find rap music offensive.
There are people that find pornography offensive.
There are people that find stand up comedy offensive.
There are people that find the "F" word offensive.
There are people who find teaching evolution in schools offensive.
There are people that find a white person with dreadlocks offensive.
There are people that find violent movies and video games offensive.

There are people that found this golden record, launched into space as part of the Voyager II probe offensive:


There are people that found this guy's shirt offensive:



I could go on. Do you get the point?

[AFM]

Just saw your last post. I do agree that Gap definitely should not have given in.

[DCZards]

But it's not. It's just not. I can pull multiple similar ads and find something to be offended about. It's absolute nonsense that gives credence to the conservatives PC war. Same with dumb chick who attacked the white guy for dreadlocks. There are real issues out there. This is not one of them. This is lazy, half assed, bitter, faux activism.

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Sorry, JWiz, neither you nor I get to decide what offends another person. Or what racial imagery another person deems important enough to complain about.

You are completely missing the point. It's not about whether someone, somewhere, on some planet, finds something offensive.

Guess what?

There are people that find rap music offensive.
There are people that find pornography offensive.
There are people that find stand up comedy offensive.
There are people that find the "F" word offensive.
There are people who find teaching evolution in schools offensive.
There are people that find a white person with dreadlocks offensive.
There are people that find violent movies and video games offensive.

There are people that found this golden record, launched into space as part of the Voyager II probe offensive:


There are people that found this guy's shirt offensive:



I could go on. Do you get the point?

Actually, I don't get your point. But, then again, you obviously don't get mind either. So let's just call it even.

[AFM]

My point is that I'm buying you that hideous shirt and you're wearing it to work tomorrow. PM me your mailing address and shirt size.

[DCZards]

My point is that I'm buying you that hideous shirt and you're wearing it to work tomorrow. PM me your mailing address and shirt size.

That's a shirt I might actually wear. It's a conversation piece that will help me pick up women.

[AFM]

My point is that I'm buying you that hideous shirt and you're wearing it to work tomorrow. PM me your mailing address and shirt size.

That's a shirt I might actually wear. It's a conversation piece that will help me pick up women.

You mean, get picked on by women.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shirt-is-holding-back-progress

He helped mankind land on a comet, but Dr Matt Taylor may end up being remembered for his risqué sartorial judgement rather than his scientific acumen.
The space scientist broke down in tears today and apologised for wearing a gaudy shirt which featured cartoon images of women wearing bondage gear and firing guns.
During a press briefing this afternoon on the progress of the Rosetta mission, Dr Taylor, the lead scientist, appeared visibly upset and struggled to speak.
Eventually he said: “I made a big mistake and I offended many people and I am very sorry about this."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11232986/Matt-Taylors-sexist-shirt-and-the-day-political-correctness-officially-went-mad.html

[JWizmentality]

You're right, I don't decide nor do I care about what offends a certain person. But I do care when that person affects policy and corporate decisions. Like I said there are real issues out there. Having a depiction of black person being lynched as your table piece in a public restaurant is something to be upset about. Some kid resting her elbow a top another's head is a level of absurdity I cannot begin to wrap my head around. And if that really upsets you, well God help you because you must live a rather miserable and bitter existence if that's your threshold.

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[TGW]

I don't think their will be any kick back on any US politicians because the list had virtually no American citizens. We don't need it since we are the master country at setting up shell corporations.

Given that the entire list will almost certainly never be released, I'm not so sure there were virtually no American citizens on it. To be honest, that's the sort of action (not releasing the entire list) that is going to cause all sorts of conspiracy theories and only serve to further increase anti-American sentiment, given that the American government was most upset with Snowden and Wikileaks and crying to try and have those things not released fully for fear of their national self-interest.

That said, personally, I don't expect a lot of names there, but I won't be shocked if, a few years from now, we don't see a leak that does include a lot of Americans on it, albeit probably from another country/company. Eventually, somebody is going to be disgruntled both at their employer and at the US from one of the tax havens that gets used more frequently by Americans. I see a lot of fear out there among the larger and wealthier institutions to try and keep this story calm and out of the way at this point, even though for the time being they don't have anything immediate to worry about.

I think you would have to dig deep to find any Americans in there... again, we are the masters of setting up shell corporations in our own country.

Shillary's campaign chairman is linked:

Clinton is linked to Sberbank, Russia’s largest bank, through Podesta Group, a lobbying firm co-founded by Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta and his brother, Tony Podesta, a major Clinton bundler.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-ties-emerge-in-panama-papers/#ixzz454SewMeB

LOL that didn't take long.