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Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4)

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Re: Thank Nation! NY pick currently 7th, DEN 9th (PART 4) 

Post#81 » by notsla refar » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:34 pm

You may have heard, but the San Diego Padres have not gotten off to a good start this season. After getting shut out at home by the Dodgers for the entirety of their three-game series, San Diego is now in possession of the longest scoreless streak to start a season in MLB history. It started off with a 15-0 drubbing in Game 1 and ended with a game in which Dodgers pitcher Kenta Maeda homered in his MLB debut and now has one more RBI than the entire Padres team. So, yeah, “not off to a good start” might be putting it mildly.

The shutout nature of their losses aside, starting the season 0-3 in and of itself doesn’t really mean anything. After all, the Giants won the World Series in 2012 after doing the same. Heck, the team that held the record before the Padres, the 1943 Cardinals, went to the World Series that year. While the Padres are probably not going to win the World Series this year, they are also definitely not going to go 0-162, despite currently being on pace to score exactly zero runs. They are going to score runs, just likely not very many compared to their peers, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.

Fangraphs is projecting Padres position players to put up 12.1 WAR this season, good for third worst in baseball, ahead of only the clearly rebuilding/tanking Braves and Phillies. The Padres pitchers are projecting for 15.3 WAR, which lands them squarely in the middle of the pack. A rotation headed by James Shields, Tyson Ross and Andrew Cashner may not be the sexiest in the league, but put that rotation in front of, say, the Cubs’ offense? They’re probably playing October baseball. Bad news, Padres fans, the Padres’ offense is not the Cubs’ offense.

Catcher Derek Norris is projected to be the team’s biggest contributor, with a not particularly robust 2.0 WAR. The Padres bought high on Norris when they traded for him after his 119 OPS+ 2014 season with the A’s and his 99 OPS+ in 2015 didn’t deliver on that investment. Wil Myers at first is definitely going to be better than Wil Myers in centerfield, but Myers has yet to put up a full season befitting his prospect pedigree. Despite winning 2013 Rookie of the Year, Myers has been battling wrist injuries throughout his time in the majors and hasn’t topped 88 starts yet. Homegrown second baseman Cory Spangenberg hit .271/.333/.399 in his first full season last year, good for 2.1 WAR. While Spangenberg is one of the brighter spots in a seemingly anemic lineup, his strikeout-to-walk ratio was troubling in the minors and in his first taste of the majors in 2014, so while he could continue to produce for San Diego, there’s also some risk.

While Alexei Ramirez was certainly an upgrade over the other Alexi (Amarista) at short, both offensively and defensively, that may speak more to the player being replaced than to the 34-year old shortstop coming off his worst season to date by pretty much every statistical measure. While Ramirez may have a little more left in the tank, there’s also a reason that the White Sox declined his $10 million option. At third, Yangervis Solarte didn’t crack the majors until he broke in with the Yankees in 2014 at age 26. After putting up 1.0, 0.4 and 2.2 WAR seasons, it looks like he’s more of a potentially useful piece than a game changer.

The trade that brought Jon Jay to the Padres may have given them another outfielder and ended the Myers-in-the-outfield experiment, but it’s not clear what to expect offensively there. Jay (like Myers) had some wrist issues last year, which sapped his power and limited him to just 79 games. Melvin Upton Jr. had a better 2015 than his prior two awful seasons in Atlanta and got back into positive WAR territory (+1.6). Even if you ignore that he’s owed almost $32 million through 2017, Upton has been wildly inconsistent over his career and has delivered just as more OK-to-awful seasons than he has good ones.

Lastly, there’s Matt Kemp, who is owed $87 million over the next four seasons but has only put up 2 WAR combined over the last three seasons. The deal that brought him over from the Dodgers looked pretty iffy for the Padres at the time they did it. A year later and it doesn’t look any better, as Kemp’s offensive prowess has continued to decline even as his defense bottoms out.

All in all, there are certainly some bounceback candidates in here and it would be totally unreasonable not to expect some players to do just that. The Padres need more than just a couple of players to exceed expectations, however, and there’s a pretty low floor on the offense for the 2016 Padres. If it’s just a couple of players that are having great seasons come the All Star Break, expect to be hearing a lot about those players being traded. While it’s obviously ridiculous to come out and say “blow the whole thing up” after a measly three games, the Padres’ record-breaking really put a magnifying glass over just how feckless their offense looks to be in 2016. Also, sorry again Padres fans, but the James Loney signing probably isn’t going to change anything (unless and until they trade Myers, that is).

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Post#82 » by notsla refar » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:34 pm

Devils coach John Hynes has been named the coach of the United States team that will compete at the International Ice Hockey Federation Men's World Championship in Russia next month.

The tournament will be held from May 6-22 in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Via ESPN.com

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Post#83 » by notsla refar » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:36 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:Its amazing how we have the best record in franchise history this year and going to have an exciting playoffs and also have a top 10 pick in the draft....Its kind of crazy.

Messiah Ujiri, nuff said
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Post#84 » by notsla refar » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:39 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:Its amazing how we have the best record in franchise history this year and going to have an exciting playoffs and also have a top 10 pick in the draft....Its kind of crazy.

Messiah Ujiri, nuff said
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Post#85 » by notsla refar » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:40 pm

Lol! The board glitched. I dunno how to delete those. Maybe it's worth having it there 4 times for emphasis.
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Post#86 » by Kevin Willis » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:43 pm

nuff said indeed...
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Post#87 » by CoachJReturns » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:47 pm

Depending on who he picks, I may have to start singing "I believe in Masai" at the draft party. He hasn't really made any huge additions to the core as of yet, but he's done a heck of a job in terms of tinkering with role players/bench guys.
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Post#88 » by Risk101 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:53 pm

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Post#89 » by super_balls » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:58 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:Its amazing how we have the best record in franchise history this year and going to have an exciting playoffs and also have a top 10 pick in the draft....Its kind of crazy.

My Top 5 at 9th pick
1.Skal Labrissiere
2.Marquese Chriss
3.Timothe Lawawu
4.Taurean Prince
5.Henry Ellenson

Top 5 at 26th
1.Thon Maker
2.Malik Beasley
3.Benjamin Bentle
4.Brice Johnson
5.DeAndre Bembry

Hope Jalen Brown Or Someone falls too 9


I agree, I think I would move Lawawu above Chriss. I'm a big believer in Motor. Chriss doesn't seem like he has one, or he turns it off and on. Rabb would be my 5th over Ellenson.
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Post#90 » by whatamoron » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:00 pm

mad-man wrote:
kron100 wrote:
mad-man wrote: His dribbling alone should keep him out of the first round, dribbling is a skill and you can't teach skill.

Completely agree. I know we need a PF but Luwawu looks like a Rich man's Thabo. Could be our starting SF for many years.


Definitely a shaky handle, but assuming Demar is here, well need players who can excel off the ball.

Did anyone notice if luwawu can shoot off his dribble, I didn't see much evidence of it during his hi-lite video.
Also he seems to have a slow release where as he needs to get his feet set before he shoots.
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Post#91 » by whatamoron » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:00 pm

mad-man wrote:
kron100 wrote:
mad-man wrote: His dribbling alone should keep him out of the first round, dribbling is a skill and you can't teach skill.

Completely agree. I know we need a PF but Luwawu looks like a Rich man's Thabo. Could be our starting SF for many years.


Definitely a shaky handle, but assuming Demar is here, well need players who can excel off the ball.

Did anyone notice if luwawu can shoot off his dribble, I didn't see much evidence of it during his hi-lite video.
Also he seems to have a slow release where as he needs to get his feet set before he shoots.
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Post#92 » by whatamoron » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:05 pm

mad-man wrote:
kron100 wrote:
mad-man wrote: His dribbling alone should keep him out of the first round, dribbling is a skill and you can't teach skill.

Completely agree. I know we need a PF but Luwawu looks like a Rich man's Thabo. Could be our starting SF for many years.


Definitely a shaky handle, but assuming Demar is here, well need players who can excel off the ball.

Did anyone notice if luwawu can shoot off his dribble, I didn't see much evidence of it during his hi-lite video.
Also he seems to have a slow release where as he needs to get his feet set before he shoots.
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Post#93 » by whatamoron » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:05 pm

mad-man wrote:
kron100 wrote:
mad-man wrote: His dribbling alone should keep him out of the first round, dribbling is a skill and you can't teach skill.

Completely agree. I know we need a PF but Luwawu looks like a Rich man's Thabo. Could be our starting SF for many years.


Definitely a shaky handle, but assuming Demar is here, well need players who can excel off the ball.

Did anyone notice if luwawu can shoot off his dribble, I didn't see much evidence of it during his hi-lite video.
Also he seems to have a slow release where as he needs to get his feet set before he shoots.
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Post#94 » by whatamoron » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:07 pm

mad-man wrote:
kron100 wrote:
mad-man wrote: His dribbling alone should keep him out of the first round, dribbling is a skill and you can't teach skill.

Completely agree. I know we need a PF but Luwawu looks like a Rich man's Thabo. Could be our starting SF for many years.


Definitely a shaky handle, but assuming Demar is here, well need players who can excel off the ball.

Did anyone notice if luwawu can shoot off his dribble, I didn't see much evidence of it during his hi-lite video.
Also he seems to have a slow release where as he needs to get his feet set before he shoots.
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Post#95 » by mieshpal » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:09 pm

notsla refar wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:Its amazing how we have the best record in franchise history this year and going to have an exciting playoffs and also have a top 10 pick in the draft....Its kind of crazy.

Messiah Ujiri, nuff said


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Post#96 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:26 pm

a pairing of Taurean Prince and Thon Maker would be decent youngsters to add.
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Post#97 » by Reg00 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:31 pm

notsla refar wrote:Lol! The board glitched. I dunno how to delete those. Maybe it's worth having it there 4 times for emphasis.


Okay so it's just not me, awesome.

And again, well said.
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Post#98 » by Superchunk » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:32 pm

kron100 wrote:
mad-man wrote:
wegetitin08 wrote:
Luwawu would be good just he has to know a lot of those dribble he does the refs will definitely call him for palming the ball
His dribbling alone should keep him out of the first round, dribbling is a skill and you can't teach skill.

Completely agree. I know we need a PF but Luwawu looks like a Rich man's Thabo. Could be our starting SF for many years.



You can't teach height. You can't teach length. You can't teach a good motor. You can't teach skill either now? What can you teach?

Seriously...you can't teach skill?

skill
skil/
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noun: skill

the ability to do something well; expertise.

Did you just say that basketball players can't get improve their dribbling past the age of what, 19?
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Post#99 » by notsla refar » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:41 pm

I'd be surprised if we use both of our picks. We already have Powell, Wright, Bruno and Bebe taking up space on the roster. A deal is gonna have to happen.

Depending on how the playoffs go, could see us maybe packaging a pick with Ross or Wright for a vet.
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Post#100 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:48 pm

kron100 wrote:Marquese Chriss reminds me of Harrison Barnes

I definitely rank Rabb much higher than Chriss at this point. I feel like Rabb has that low bust potential like you're saying, he just works for what he gets which is a strong characteristic in a prospect. At the same time, Chriss uses his athleticism for his gains and that's asking for trouble. Too many guys have come into the NBA jumping out of the gym, with short wingspans and failed.

Rabb looks like he'll get the job done. He reminds me of those old school pros like Brian Grant and PJ Brown. Obviously I'd hope he turns out better than them of picked in the top 10, but those guys helped teams win for many years. They're the type of players to be a NET positive at the end of the game because they won't hurt you.
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