Begley/Stein: Phil Jackson pushing to keep Rambis

Knicksfan1992 · Post #641 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:46 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
Triple C wrote:

Damn. They gave him Fisher but didn't give him Kerr.

Yeah kinda unfair to not give him Kerr. Kerr definitely takes a lot of principles from PJax. His practices are similarly structured to how Phil would run them and his offense uses a ton of triangle principles. Doesn't fit the narrative though so they had to cut him out... Not that that is a great tree even with Kerr involved.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #642 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 1:46 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
Triple C wrote:

Damn. They gave him Fisher but didn't give him Kerr.

Yeah kinda unfair to not give him Kerr. Kerr definitely takes a lot of principles from PJax. His practices are similarly structured to how Phil would run them and his offense uses a ton of triangle principles. Doesn't fit the narrative though so they had to cut him out... Not that that is a great tree even with Kerr involved.

nyczlegacy · Post #643 » by **nyczlegacy** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:05 pm

being a knicks fan is one of the hardest things in life

Shadylove · Post #644 » by **Shadylove** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:10 pm

will34 wrote:FYI Fisher and Isiah are talking Knicks on NBA TV lol.

According to Fish Phil is also learning on the job so Dolan can step in. Dolan will always take the side of Melo cause he took us the Playoffs 6 years from being absent. He won the Atlantic, he beat Miami 3 out 4 times that won the championship twice. Just like Jordan 95-96 when you are getting older you need help. An elite bench scorer like Kukoch, a perimeter defender like Ron Harper, etc Rambis is not the answer and Melo and Dolan(After the Fisher fiasco has to step in)

Shadylove · Post #645 » by **Shadylove** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:14 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:Leave I would hope.... Right now my dream would be for us to land Ujiri, Keep Gaines, and hire Thibs. That sets us up to trade Melo and actually win the trade and hopefully get some good picks. With Gaines we could draft well and make the most of this picks, and Thibs would actually develop our guys like he has done in the past. (Btw, all the people harping on him breaking players down should look at how the Bulls have broken down even more this year and he is not even there)

Thibs like Melo and any new coach will be dumb to let Melo go. Ujiri will never ask Melo to remove the no trade clause

F N 11 · Post #646 » by **F N 11** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:16 pm

At least knicks getting along fine off the court. KP lost to it was Wroten in Fifa and everybody is happy KP lost bc he talks so much Sh*t lol.
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Post #647 » by **moocow007** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:16 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:if melo is talking about helping pick the coach, it doesn't sound like he plans on leaving.

I think it may sound like the opposite he wants to have more control over the coach and player decisions if he doesn't get that he may end up leaving.

For example if Phil just hires Rambis, Melo doesn't sound like he would be too happy with that decision.\

I think he wants to stay. He truly does. But this may be too much for him. That would be it for me if Rambis was coaching and I was Melo.

This isn't the 1st time Anthony has talked about coaching change. This time it has a more serious tone. I honestly would not be surprised if there is a power struggle of sorts before this is done. Will be interesting. The one thing that you can't say about the lives of a Knicks fan is it's boring and without drama (especially with the NY media fanning the flames only the way they can). :lol:

F N 11 · Post #648 » by **F N 11** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:17 pm

Melo wants imput on next coach and would like to communicate with front office this off season.
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/04/07/carmelo-anthony-knicks-coach-search-kurt-rambis

“I would love to have some type of input when it comes to that,” Anthony said. “I think you have to have some type of input, whether it's input or dialogue, whatever word that you want to use.

god shammgod · Post #649 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:18 pm

yeah. i've talked about there seemingly being a power struggle before. everybody knows this is phil's last year to get it right. they can get out of the contract next summer. rumors now of them thinking about his replacement. his position is becoming more tenuous.

Post #650 » by **moocow007** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:19 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
Triple C wrote:

Damn. They gave him Fisher but didn't give him Kerr.

Yeah kinda unfair to not give him Kerr. Kerr definitely takes a lot of principles from PJax. His practices are similarly structured to how Phil would run them and his offense uses a ton of triangle principles. Doesn't fit the narrative though so they had to cut him out... Not that that is a great tree even with Kerr involved.

It's not hard to argue though that with that team and not having to be forced to play strict triangle that just about any coach could have done real well with the Warriors team (even if not as well). The biggest difference between the Knicks and Warriors from a head coaching standpoint are MUCH BETTER players AND freedom to do what is best for the team you have. Just from a talent standpoint alone we are arguably talking about the most talented team (or one of the most talented teams) vs. arguably one of the least talented teams. Talent wins in professional sports.

Shadylove · Post #651 » by **Shadylove** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:21 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:if melo is talking about helping pick the coach, it doesn't sound like he plans on leaving.

I think it may sound like the opposite he wants to have more control over the coach and player decisions if he doesn't get that he may end up leaving.

For example if Phil just hires Rambis, Melo doesn't sound like he would be too happy with that decision.\

I think he wants to stay. He truly does. But this may be too much for him. That would be it for me if Rambis was coaching and I was Melo.

This is just my opinion Melo and his boys and Lala had separate meetings and they all told him play till your contract is done in NY and make the connections, YOU WILL STILL BE 34 GOING ON 35 WITH 3 YEARS OF BBALL LEFT. At that point you can chase a title. However in the last 3 years or 2 years of your current contract you have to be vocal since the owner likes you a lot!

Post #652 » by **GONYK** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:25 pm

Shadylove wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:if melo is talking about helping pick the coach, it doesn't sound like he plans on leaving.

I think it may sound like the opposite he wants to have more control over the coach and player decisions if he doesn't get that he may end up leaving.

For example if Phil just hires Rambis, Melo doesn't sound like he would be too happy with that decision.\

I think he wants to stay. He truly does. But this may be too much for him. That would be it for me if Rambis was coaching and I was Melo.

This is just my opinion Melo and his boys and Lala had separate meetings and they all told him play till your contract is done in NY and make the connections, YOU WILL STILL BE 34 GOING ON 35 WITH 3 YEARS OF BBALL LEFT. At that point you can chase a title. However in the last 3 years or 2 years of your current contract you have to be vocal since the owner likes you a lot!

I don't really think Melo needs to network at this stage of his career

Shadylove · Post #653 » by **Shadylove** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:33 pm

I meant business connections melo and Lala really loves new York they are both born here. They are really helping the community (Going to Rikers and helping inner city kids)and make 25M plus Jordan money HE WILL NEVER LEAVE NY. He can chase a title and go to the spurs, Clippers or GS at 34 haha and help Kwahi or Chef Curry and taste Ayesha Currys cooking hahahaha

will34 · Post #654 » by **will34** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:33 pm

http://nypost.com/2016/04/06/rambis-talking-like-hes-going-to-be-knicks-long-term-coach/

Jackson, according to a source, is cognizant of Rambis not being the popular fan choice, partly due to his disastrous stint with Minnesota and losing record with the Knicks. That’s why he still hasn’t made a move and could still have a mystery candidate in mind. Sources have indicated for a while owner James Dolan is not expected to stand in the way of a Rambis hire.

Rambis said beyond his strong bond with Jackson, having an owner who will spend money to win is also a factor in success.

Post #655 » by **GONYK** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:35 pm

will34 wrote:http://nypost.com/2016/04/06/rambis-talking-like-hes-going-to-be-knicks-long-term-coach/

Jackson, according to a source, is cognizant of Rambis not being the popular fan choice, partly due to his disastrous stint with Minnesota and losing record with the Knicks. That’s why he still hasn’t made a move and could still have a mystery candidate in mind. Sources have indicated for a while owner James Dolan is not expected to stand in the way of a Rambis hire.

Rambis said beyond his strong bond with Jackson, having an owner who will spend money to win is also a factor in success.

Dolan not standing in the way of a Rambis hire says a lot about Phil's security with the Knicks, IMO

Bill Pidto · Post #656 » by **Bill Pidto** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:35 pm

Shadylove wrote:
will34 wrote:FYI Fisher and Isiah are talking Knicks on NBA TV lol.

According to Fish Phil is also learning on the job so Dolan can step in. Dolan will always take the side of Melo cause he took us the Playoffs 6 years from being absent. He won the Atlantic, he beat Miami 3 out 4 times that won the championship twice. Just like Jordan 95-96 when you are getting older you need help. An elite bench scorer like Kukoch, a perimeter defender like Ron Harper, etc Rambis is not the answer and Melo and Dolan(After the Fisher fiasco has to step in)

Fisher said all of that?

Shadylove · Post #657 » by **Shadylove** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:39 pm

No he just said Phil is learning on the job

will34 · Post #658 » by **will34** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:39 pm

GONYK wrote:
will34 wrote:http://nypost.com/2016/04/06/rambis-talking-like-hes-going-to-be-knicks-long-term-coach/

Jackson, according to a source, is cognizant of Rambis not being the popular fan choice, partly due to his disastrous stint with Minnesota and losing record with the Knicks. That’s why he still hasn’t made a move and could still have a mystery candidate in mind. Sources have indicated for a while owner James Dolan is not expected to stand in the way of a Rambis hire.

Rambis said beyond his strong bond with Jackson, having an owner who will spend money to win is also a factor in success.

Dolan not standing in the way of a Rambis hire says a lot about Phil's security with the Knicks, IMO

Remains to be seen. The team is a mess and I can't imagine Dolan is happy with his investment in Phil.

Shadylove · Post #659 » by **Shadylove** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:40 pm

No he just said Phil is learning on the job

Post #660 » by **moocow007** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:41 pm

will34 wrote:http://nypost.com/2016/04/06/rambis-talking-like-hes-going-to-be-knicks-long-term-coach/

Jackson, according to a source, is cognizant of Rambis not being the popular fan choice, partly due to his disastrous stint with Minnesota and losing record with the Knicks. That’s why he still hasn’t made a move and could still have a mystery candidate in mind. Sources have indicated for a while owner James Dolan is not expected to stand in the way of a Rambis hire.

Rambis said beyond his strong bond with Jackson, having an owner who will spend money to win is also a factor in success.

Here's some help Phil...to take the mystery out...

Win now guys, rebuild guys, plenty more.