"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

Gomes3PC · Post #221 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed Apr 6, 2016 2:22 pm

Dunn, Labissiere, then one of the Croatians.

Post #222 » by **djFan71** » Wed Apr 6, 2016 4:52 pm

cl2117 wrote:That's exactly what I was thinking. I don't really care if the Lakers lose their pick this year or next year, but if Philly gets it this year they can go SF with their pick and then take Dunn with LA's pick and they are then in no rush to move one of their bigs.

It'd just give Ainge another potential avenue to use the Brooklyn pick if Philly was still in need for a PG and shopping one of their bigs. If they can come away with Simmons, Dunn and say Hunter/Young and were willing to give up Noel or Okafor I'd be happy doing that rather than going for say Hield or Brown. And that's especially true if someone jumps up in the draft and the C's are sitting at 5 or 6.

I'd expect them to be trading Okafor though, there's been far more smoke around him, plus Noel fits better with Embiid.

My hope with Noel is he's going into his last year of a rookie deal, so Philly will have to either pay him or lose him at the end of next year. That means a decision on their bigs finally. If Danny gets them something that works for both sides around the draft, maybe they go for it. Not the strongest case, but...... For Jah, I dunno. Haven't watched enough to know. You'd think with his skills he could end up being solid enough on the defensive end, but doesn't seem like that's happened yet. Maybe in our system with the perimeter guys and everyone knowing what they're doing he blossoms on D a little?

165bows wrote:Plus I trust LA to pick the wrong guy in front of us more so than Philly, so there's that aspect, too.

bigfoot_cryptozoology · Post #223 » by **bigfoot_cryptozoology** » Wed Apr 6, 2016 6:15 pm

Enter The Dragan...

Post #224 » by **DayofMourning** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:02 am

What would you guys be willing to trade for Noel or Okafor? I'm sure they're both on the block to some degree.

Post #225 » by **165bows** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:48 am

DayofMourning wrote:What would you guys be willing to trade for Noel or Okafor? I'm sure they're both on the block to some degree.

I'd be in on Noel. If the Brooklyn pick isn't super high, I'd think about it. Depends on how they like the guys in that range.

No-Man · Post #226 » by **No-Man** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 6:51 am

I'd easily trade the Nets pick if it's not top2 for Okafor, not for Noel though

cl2117 · Post #227 » by **cl2117** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:34 am

I'd trade the Brooklyn pick for either Okafor or Noel if not top 2. I've actually switched my preference to Okafor, who I think is the more likely to be traded as well.

I'd be ecstatic if we came away with Okafor, Valentine with the Dallas pick and Stone/Maker with our pick.

And then I'm looking at draft and stash with the majority of our seconds if they aren't used in trades. I expect one of: Zubac, Zizic, Hernangomez, Cornelie, Qi to be available with the Philly pick and hopefully another with the Minny pick.

I'm buying lottery tickets with these picks where possible. We need to hit the jackpot and hope we luck into the next Gobert. More solid role players are just going to end up getting sold off because of lack of room for them.

Post #228 » by **DayofMourning** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:26 am

Do you guys think that Okafor will be had with only a top five pick? Or do you think you'd have to sweeten the deal with another pick?

I'd say if Okafor came out this year, he'd be the consensus first pick.

No-Man · Post #229 » by **No-Man** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:34 am

No way I'd trade Okafor for a 3rd overall if I am Philly, top2 I'd probably go for it.
I guess you will have to add some stuff.

cl2117 · Post #230 » by **cl2117** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:48 am

DayofMourning wrote:Do you guys think that Okafor will be had with only a top five pick? Or do you think you'd have to sweeten the deal with another pick?

I'd say if Okafor came out this year, he'd be the consensus first pick.

I think he'd be consensus top 3 this year with some people having him as the first pick, but Simmons and and Ingram would both be considered worthy of the #1 pick.

If you ask around here if you could choose between those 3 I think the vast vast majority of C's fans would take Simmons or Ingram rather than Okafor and I think you'd get a mixed result from teams like Phoenix, New Orleans, LA etc with Simmons getting the most votes.

I do think though if the C's are in the 3-6 range they'd have to add some sort of value to get Okafor, but I don't think it'd be anything too major. Maybe the Celtics own pick (likely early 20s) or one of Young, Hunter, Rozier, Mickey to sweeten the pot. I wouldn't add any more than that though (other than 2nds etc).

I think it's a foregone conclusion that if the Sixers trade for Boston's pick it'd be to take Dunn, so I think Dunn plus a pick in the 20s or Dunn plus Hunter or Young would be more than fair for Okafor given Philly's PG needs/big man glut him not finishing the season (minor knee surgery).

RickyDizzle · Post #231 » by **RickyDizzle** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 12:21 pm

Is Philly under the cap? Must be right? What about Pick #3 through 6 (wherever it lands) plus re-signed Sully for Okafor?

Philly can get Dunn, plus an actual 4 man to go with their center collection. Sully could play next to Noel or Embiid fine I think.

Celtics could still have plenty of big Okafor, Kelly, Mickey, (Jerebko), (Amir), (Zeller), (rooks).

I hate to anoint Mickey as much as others have since he hasn't proven anything, but a springy athletic shotblocking 4 next to Okafor would look good in the starting lineup:

IT, Avery, Crowder, Mickey, Okafor... without any free agents or other moves taken into account anyway.

Dizzy

Post #232 » by **DayofMourning** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 12:59 pm

RickyDizzle wrote:Philly can get Dunn, plus an actual 4 man to go with their center collection. Sully could play next to Noel or Embiid fine I think.

I think the Sixers are planning on having Saric as their four moving forward. He's a really nice prospect who should be able to complement whatever center they plan to employ.

Gomes3PC · Post #233 » by **Gomes3PC** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:10 pm

I have zero interest in Okafor. He is a center who doesn't defend, rebound or space the floor. Not to mention his maturity issues.

Noel? Absolutely. Hard worker, local kid, and clearly has skills that can help a playoff team right now. Super athletic, can switch and defend perimeter guys, runs the floor, and forces turnovers / blocks at a high rate. If he can even find one or two reliable scoring skills, like a baseline jumper or elbow pick and pop, he will be terrific. If not he would still help as a 20 MPG rotation big.

Murta · Post #234 » by **Murta** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:44 pm

Thomas Bryant is returning to Indiana. Interesting decision considering their recruitment class in poor right now, but you'd have to expect Bryant will be able to dominate next season and be rated higher than late-lotto to late-1st.

Bender will be asked by Croatian NT coach to join the team right away and not to go to US for the draft process. Right around the draft they're playing only friendlies before Olympic QT so he wants to see how Bender fits.

As for Okafor, I assume Philly would like somebody more mature. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded Okafor and something else (Lakers pick or theirs if it falls) to Chicago for Butler. Colangelos are gonna look really bad if 76ers suck next year.

No-Man · Post #235 » by **No-Man** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 2:48 pm

Murta wrote:Thomas Bryant is returning to Indiana. Interesting decision considering their recruitment class in poor right now, but you'd have to expect Bryant will be able to dominate next season and be rated higher than late-lotto to late-1st.

highly doubt it honestly

Murta · Post #236 » by **Murta** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 3:17 pm

Fischella wrote:
Murta wrote:Thomas Bryant is returning to Indiana. Interesting decision considering their recruitment class in poor right now, but you'd have to expect Bryant will be able to dominate next season and be rated higher than late-lotto to late-1st.

highly doubt it honestly

Mostly due to physicality, maturity, lack of other Indiana offensive options (Yogi's leaving). I don't think it'll be important when it comes to his NBA outcome. Just that older players tend to perform strong in the NCAA and a lot of his production limits this year were due to fouling issues, which he should be able to fix at some degree during the summer.

lon3lytoaster · Post #237 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 3:29 pm

So, as someone who doesn't watch a lot of Israeli basketball games; I've heard some folks say Bender probably won't be a "star" but others seem to be saying he'd be in legitimate contention for number one overall if he'd had a bigger role with Tel Aviv.

Has there been any progression from him of late? Any new scouting updates? I've seen the Lakers are out scouting him and much older reports saying the Celtics had interest. I'd honestly really love to pick the Spurs' front office collective brain on this guy.

Wes-J · Post #238 » by **Wes-J** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 4:05 pm

Hard to burn a top 5 pick on a guy who barely had any tape this season.

lon3lytoaster · Post #239 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:29 pm

Wes-J wrote:Hard to burn a top 5 pick on a guy who barely had any tape this season.

Been done before, though different degrees of success.

Gomes3PC · Post #240 » by **Gomes3PC** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 5:46 pm

Murta wrote:Thomas Bryant is returning to Indiana. Interesting decision considering their recruitment class in poor right now, but you'd have to expect Bryant will be able to dominate next season and be rated higher than late-lotto to late-1st.

Bender will be asked by Croatian NT coach to join the team right away and not to go to US for the draft process. Right around the draft they're playing only friendlies before Olympic QT so he wants to see how Bender fits.

As for Okafor, I assume Philly would like somebody more mature. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded Okafor and something else (Lakers pick or theirs if it falls) to Chicago for Butler. Colangelos are gonna look really bad if 76ers suck next year.

I actually think Bryant could move up quite a bit with a year back at IU. Get in a bit better shape, work on his offensive game away from the rim, and improve some of his defensive bugaboos.