2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

mrfantast1c · Post #2041 » by **mrfantast1c** » Wed Apr 6, 2016 9:08 pm

ET Da Gawd wrote:^^Only time will tell my friend, I see Ingram as a slightly more athletic James Posey. spot up shooter, thats all. Buddy Hield can be be a top shooting guard in the league.

To each his own, but it took four years for buddy hield to dominate college basketball. Guys like Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray etc, who came right out of high school and dominated have to be looked at through a different lense.

ET Da Gawd · Post #2042 » by **ET Da Gawd** » Wed Apr 6, 2016 9:09 pm

mrfantast1c wrote:
ET Da Gawd wrote:^^Only time will tell my friend, I see Ingram as a slightly more athletic James Posey. spot up shooter, thats all. Buddy Hield can be be a top shooting guard in the league.

To each his own, but it took four years for buddy hield to dominate college basketball. Guys like Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray etc, who came right out of high school and dominated have to be looked at through a different lense.

Steph and Klay didn't leave after freshman so that does not bother me.

ET Da Gawd · Post #2043 » by **ET Da Gawd** » Wed Apr 6, 2016 9:14 pm

Same with Damien Lillard and CJ Mccolum, idgaf about their age, it's about who can really hoop!!!!

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Pjax4Prez · Post #2044 » by **Pjax4Prez** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 6:24 pm

ET Da Gawd wrote:Same with Damien Lillard and CJ Mccolum, idgaf about their age, it's about who can really hoop!!!!

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Knick fan here just looking at the conversation about prospects but the big thing about guys like Klay, Curry, Cj, and Dame was that they all went to small schools in which they had to do multiple things besides score for their team to be successful (Klay to a lesser degree but that also seems pretty evident in the NBA as wel since every time Curry doesn't play a game, Klay seems to struggle).

My point is that guys like that develop many skills to thrive in the NBA. For example Currys college coach made in a PG his junior year to improve his playmaking and ball handling. Buddy over Ingram is a dicey game as Buddy hasn't shown me too much besides scoring the basketball, which we've seen tons of guys in college do, but I do get your point about Ingram because even though he can handle the ball, once he gets bumped he seems to struggle with finishing and body control

ProcessDoctor · Post #2045 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 1:24 am

Can you imagine the irony (and tragedy) if this is the year we win the lottery? Imagine if it's because we swap with Sacramento? Even crazier, imagine winning #1 and the Lakers pick conveying. I have no idea how I'd feel that night.

Ericb5 · Post #2046 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 1:48 am

sixers238 wrote:Can you imagine the irony (and tragedy) if this is the year we win the lottery? Imagine if it's because we swap with Sacramento? Even crazier, imagine winning #1 and the Lakers pick conveying. I have no idea how I'd feel that night.

You would be elated is how you would feel!

Not only would that be the best thing for the organization, but it would be the best middle finger to the Sixers ownership, and what they did to Sam.

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ProcessDoctor · Post #2047 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:05 am

Ericb5 wrote:
sixers238 wrote:Can you imagine the irony (and tragedy) if this is the year we win the lottery? Imagine if it's because we swap with Sacramento? Even crazier, imagine winning #1 and the Lakers pick conveying. I have no idea how I'd feel that night.

You would be elated is how you would feel!

Not only would that be the best thing for the organization, but it would be the best middle finger to the Sixers ownership, and what they did to Sam.

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Of course I'd be happy we got the pick(s). I'd still be thinking about how the guy who was responsible for it all won't be able to reap the benefits. It'd also be a reminder of the fact that the comfort of having a proactive, intelligent GM who is always looking to stockpile future assets is no longer there.

marcush · Post #2048 » by **marcush** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 9:39 am

If you are feeling mixed emotions over the prospect of getting pick 1 & 4 then I would suggest your priorities are messed up.

Contrary to popular belief around here, the process is not the most important thing, neither is the particular administratior who receives credit. The most important thing is what roster of players we get to cheer for.

I don't care if we get them by sheer dumb luck like Minnesota or by skill like OKC. Just get us the talent and the coaches to guide and develop them.

I have been very critical of both Hinkie and Colangelo but I honestly don't give a stuff who gets what credit attributed to them, as long as there is real plaudits to be allocated at some point. My gut is that they both suck but I would love to be wrong.

Negrodamus · Post #2049 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:50 pm

A player that is higher than most on my board is Yogi Ferrell. I'm not sure if I posted about him on here, but he is probably 5'11 with some pretty impressive numbers. Once considered a volume shooter, he was getting OG Anunoby and Thomas Bryant constantly involved, especially at the end of the season.

He definitely has a place in this league with his elite shooting and elite quickness. If we are increasing the tempo of this team, he would definitely be an option. I'd actually put him in my top 5 PGs in this draft. Definitely above Melo Trimble.

Mik317 · Post #2050 » by **Mik317** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:36 pm

He has a baller ass name if nothing else.

Negrodamus · Post #2051 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:26 pm

Wait, is Jonathan Jeanne in this draft? If so, I'd take him top 10. He's a freak of nature.

Negrodamus · Post #2052 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:01 pm

A sleeper to check out: James Kelly out of Marshall (transfer from Miami).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va2uW2uEbGU

His per 40 was: 26 ppg, 12 rpg, 1.7 spg, 1.4 bpg

The main thing to note here is that his FG% is 54.3%, but his 2pt% is 65.9%.

He's a SF/PF blend with a decent shot and plays good defense. Worth keeping an eye on.

Negrodamus · Post #2053 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:10 pm

Negrodamus wrote:A sleeper to check out: James Kelly out of Marshall (transfer from Miami).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va2uW2uEbGU

His per 40 was: 26 ppg, 12 rpg, 1.7 spg, 1.4 bpg

The main thing to note here is that his FG% is 54.3%, but his 2pt% is 65.9%.

He's a SF/PF blend with a decent shot and plays good defense. Worth keeping an eye on.

And he was coached by Dan D'Antoni (what a hilariously unfortunate name combo) at Marshall. That's right, Mike's bro.

I think he will emerge as a steal down the road. He simply put the ball in the bucket. Very agile too.

Easymoney · Post #2054 » by **Easymoney** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:13 pm

I'm on the Buddy Hield bandwagon as I happen to believe Okafor and Embiid will be able to coexist. He is simply too good of a shooter to pass up. I could just picture him wetting 3-5 threes a game off Okafor double teams.

I wouldn't mind Ingram either. He is a serviceable shooter and has great defensive upside.

Ericb5 · Post #2055 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:05 am

Easymoney wrote:I'm on the Buddy Hield bandwagon as I happen to believe Okafor and Embiid will be able to coexist. He is simply too good of a shooter to pass up. I could just picture him wetting 3-5 threes a game off Okafor double teams.

I wouldn't mind Ingram either. He is a serviceable shooter and has great defensive upside.

Hield is in the short group of players that I would be devastated to get with our pick, but very happy to get with the Lakers pick.

I think he is behind Dunn, Bender, and maybe Murray though for me.

He hasn't sold me yet. He is a dead eye shooter, but I'm not convinced that he isn't a role player in the NBA. He could be better than that, but I guess I'm just not a believer of his.

I don't see a lot of upside with him.

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Agnostifarian · Post #2056 » by **Agnostifarian** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:53 pm

Buddy Heild will get drafted at least 10 spots higher then Denzel Valentine. Denzel is also an excellent shooter and he's a good distributor.

If we get the LAL pick, I'd rather use it on a higher upside prospect and work on drafting Denzel later in the draft.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #2057 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:07 pm

I don't know man, Hield may be a believer once I got to watch him in the tournament. He's got a little James Harden and a little Ray Allen to his game. I'm not saying he'll be the dynamic scorer that Harden is or the shooter that Ray Allen was, but he's comparable to both of them in certain ways. The fact that he's a senior doesn't bother me at all, back in the day it was never a worry to draft a college senior with a high pick. In fact it was considered a good thing to do this. These days if the player isn't twelve years old and a college freshman he's considered too old. I think Hield will be NBA ready, I think his work ethic speaks for itself, I think he's an incredible shooter and will have a long successful NBA career. Defensively is where I will judge him ultimately. How does he fare as a defender in the NBA? If we get screwed in the draft and end up with the third pick or some crap like that and we take him, I won't be upset. If we take him over Simmons or Ingram I will be mad, but again...he's a damn good player.

Negrodamus · Post #2058 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:01 pm

If you're in love with Simmons because of his BBIQ, I'd be interested in Denzel Valentine. Shorter and a little less athletic, but he's a better shooter and limits turnovers. I'd trade the Heat and Thunder pick to move up and grab him.

19 ppg, 7 apg, 7 rpg. Percentages are great. Go through the Tobias Go-To clips of him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kzSiX9NRdw&list=PLS02DrMDww6eGw5bFzp7m2k6xxmfkydkG

He's pretty ridiculous.

Post #2059 » by **dbodner** » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:26 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If you're in love with Simmons because of his BBIQ, I'd be interested in Denzel Valentine. Shorter and a little less athletic, but he's a better shooter and limits turnovers. I'd trade the Heat and Thunder pick to move up and grab him.

19 ppg, 7 apg, 7 rpg. Percentages are great. Go through the Tobias Go-To clips of him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kzSiX9NRdw&list=PLS02DrMDww6eGw5bFzp7m2k6xxmfkydkG

He's pretty ridiculous.

A little less athletic?

But yes, I like him quite a bit, even if he's not going to guard anybody in this league. I'd easily trade Miami and OKC for him.

Negrodamus · Post #2060 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:35 pm

dbodner wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If you're in love with Simmons because of his BBIQ, I'd be interested in Denzel Valentine. Shorter and a little less athletic, but he's a better shooter and limits turnovers. I'd trade the Heat and Thunder pick to move up and grab him.

19 ppg, 7 apg, 7 rpg. Percentages are great. Go through the Tobias Go-To clips of him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kzSiX9NRdw&list=PLS02DrMDww6eGw5bFzp7m2k6xxmfkydkG

He's pretty ridiculous.

A little less athletic?

But yes, I like him quite a bit, even if he's not going to guard anybody in this league. I'd easily trade Miami and OKC for him.

Yea, I figured I would be called on that. Simmons is clearly the superior athlete. I just think Denzel's athleticism is really being underrated. He's not an upper echelon athlete, but he's not a average athlete.