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[ezzzp]

I think the double standards are obvious in that regard. If Mario had that weakness, it would be said that he's a rookie and he needs to develop more and he's not ready.

With Fournier, they still use the argument that he's young and developing, too, but when you point out what he needs to work on they come up with a litany of excuses as to why he's beyond developing that part of his game.

A lot of posters want to appear impartial and all about the wins but really they're just pushing another agenda, which seems to be "don't question anything. We're obviously doing everything just right because look at our record!"

You mean factual evidence pointing to why he shouldn't pass to less efficient scorers just to appease a group of fans that want to see a pass? Sorry, I'd rather have one of our better, more efficient scorers taking shots. That wins us games not passing out for a less efficient/worse shot. I cant believe people actually want that.

Oh yeah? So you want to see a Dedmon/Nicholson/AG/Fournier/Dipo lineup then? Because that's our most efficient shooting team. So Nicholson should be our starting PF and Vuc should come off the bench, right? Vuc should only have 15mpg, because he's only 9th on the team in efficiency - behind Hezonja.

Jason Smith and Vucevic wouldn't see a long 2 all game long since we've got plenty of guys shooting 3's at a higher clip than they hit those long 2's.

But I'm sure you'll have an excuse for why you want to shift the criteria from efficiency to some other reason to justify not actually pursuing the most efficient scorers we've got with these "cold hard facts" on the table...

Nope, you need to be looking at top eFG%, not top TS% since that includes free throw % and the discussion is about in-play shooters:

[Dennis Reynolds]

AG spoke on individual improvements and progress after the Grizzlies game. For Evan he said "Evan seeing the open man and making plays for a teammate... I think you see the progress individually". Yeah, it's all in our heads lol. Although I think he was being generous. There were only marginal improvements in the Griz game. Maybe people love watching Fournier stare at an open teammate and hesitate to pass while he looks for a preferred target only to find nobody else is open and either pass it too late or ignore them completely and force a drive or contested shot. Or even failing to kick it ahead to a player on a fast break. Or force a tough pass into Vuc whether he's covered or not and turning it over. Maybe that seems like winning ball to you. Once again the board showing they struggle to comprehend anything past FGM's and FGA's.

Cmon, you totally just snipped out key parts of those words to make it fit your bias...he was clearly complementing his teammate's overall individual development this year. As in, this year - these are examples of things that are an improvement from last year.

If you apply your negative spin of his words to the whole quote - not just to Fournier - then you are saying Gordon is implying that EP wasn't passing the ball well all season and that Vuc was missing jump shots all season...and that would be the opposite of what I saw with my own eyes and is the opposite of what statistics show.

Here is the link: http://www.nba.com/magic/video/teams/magic/2016/04/04/1459732924250-00486.mp4-415441

Reporter: How does a team measure progress this late in the season when you guys are not where you want to be?

Gordon: I think you see it individually, you know EP able to get 9 assists in the first half, that's progress - its incredible and he's just got to continue to build, guys like Vuc knocking down jumpers left and right, Evan seeing the open man and making plays for his teammates...you know I think you see the progress individually and the more that we work you'll be able to see it as a whole.

Its clear to me there are posters on this board that are struggling to comprehend anything beyond their imaginary biases.

LMAO,look who's talking. That's pretty much all you do around here. At the moment you are actually trying to persuade us Fournier isn't selfish by showing us his usg%.

We aren't saying he shoots the ball every time he touches it but he ignores the open man way too often. Instead of passing to the open man sometimes he just stops,sometimes he chooses to wait for Vuc to establish a position in the post or he simply shoots it. Napier has the same usg% as Fournier. Does that mean he isn't selfish?

BTW,showing us the whole interview actually helps MagicStarwipe's point. AG was praising EP's passing because he had 9 assists in the 1st half. Would you say that number is normal for EP or any other player in the league for that matter? AG gave him props because that's a great number and something he doesn't do often.

Vuc is a great shooter but he isn't exactly making his jumpers left and right every night either.

Praising Fournier for passing to the open man is just sad. That should be 100% normal and the fact he actually mentioned that in his interview just shows what most of us already see. Fournier rarely does it and that's why AG mentioned the thing in the 1st place.

[ezzzp]

LMAO,look who's talking. That's pretty much all you do around here. At the moment you are actually trying to persuade us Fournier isn't selfish by showing us his usg%.

We aren't saying he shoots the ball every time he touches it but he ignores the open man way too often. Instead of passing to the open man sometimes he just stops,sometimes he chooses to wait for Vuc to establish a position in the post or he simply shoots it. Napier has the same usg% as Fournier. Does that mean he isn't selfish?

BTW,showing us the whole interview actually helps MagicStarwipe's point. AG was praising EP's passing because he had 9 assists in the 1st half. Would you say that number is normal for EP or any other player in the league for that matter? AG gave him props because that's a great number and something he doesn't do often.

Vuc is a great shooter but he isn't exactly making his jumpers left and right every night either.

Praising Fournier for passing to the open man is just sad. That should be 100% normal and the fact he actually mentioned that in his interview just shows what most of us already see. Fournier rarely does it and that's why AG mentioned the thing in the 1st place.

Thats right USG...and Touches + FC Touches + ToP + Total Passes made + Assists + Secondary Assists + Adj Assists...

LINK

It is clear that you should re-watch that interview and listen to what the reporter's question was and what Gordon answered. He is pointing out what Fournier's (and Vuc's and Payton's) individual improvements from last year to this year are - in response to the question of how to measure improvements when the team is finishing where it is.