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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#561 » by spikeslovechild » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:37 pm

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steveb21 wrote:Lots of hate going on in here. To me it looks like BC was coming here regardless to work with Hinkie but Hinkie didn't want to share power and jumped ship. It's a shame because a team of Hinke, BC & JC would've been interesting to watch. (You have the old man with the connections, BC to handle the media & agents and Hinkie to do his thing).

Anyway, with the team knocking on the door of WOAT you have to expect some changes.


Why? I mean the Astros had some of worst records of all time. The cubs as well. 10, 15, 20, 30 wins these are meaningless numbers.

So if Hinkie signed a bunch of mid-level veterans instead of doing the Sac trade and finished with lets say 25 wins. Maybe he goes out and trades one of his firsts for Jeff Teague to get to 30. I mean so what? What does that accomplish? The Sixers still aren't going to the playoffs or winning a championship and you've sacrificed the assets of SAC and eaten into future cap space.


Why? Seriously, you have to ask why? Off the top of my head you have season ticker holders who pay money to see this slop. You have advertisers who don't want to put their name on a piss poor product. And you have the league office and other owners who think fielding a D-league team in order to improve draft position is bad for the game. I'm sure there's other reasons but that's what I got on short notice...


No I get it from the leagues perspective I really do. I mean it's the same reason why the Spurs get grief for resting their stars for large amount of regular season games and the same reason the lakers got grief during their heyday of doing the same thing. It's good FOR THEIR TEAM not good for the NBA.

But if you are a fan of the sixers why should you care? The product is still awful, you are capped out on mid level players (see knicks), and you have done just enough not to get one the top prospects in the draft.

Look I've seen this rodeo first time around when BC was with the raps. I've seen him waste million on Euro stiffs and let on hey Toronto is not an attractive FA destination. Well it wasn't an attractive FA destination because they sucked and when they weren't sucking they were a fringe playoff team. Funny how Masai doesn't seem to have any problem attracting American free agents.

It sort of becomes a viscous circle. I mean like I said earlier Hinkie really could have accelerated the process if he chose. He could have forgone the SAC trade, signed a bunch of free agents, and traded one or two firsts for some mediocre player that would get them five wins but at the end of the day wouldn't move the needle much. It's a testament to his moral fiber he didn't. I saw what Colangelo did when the writing was on the wall and it wasn't pretty.

Hinkie stayed true to himself to the very end and ultimately left the Sixers in a much better position because of it.
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#562 » by 76thBearCub » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:39 pm

Westbrook36 wrote:Jerry Colangelo is a back-stabbing slimeball. I will never root for or support this organization as long as he and this ownership are in town. I hope they fail and feel nothing but pain and misery.


I feel the pain too. They rubbed salt in our wounds hiring the old mans son (Im not going to give him the respect of calling him bc)

Hinkie did one hell of a job taking us from nowhere to stacked.


The real fans will always know Hinkie was the mastermind here.
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Post#563 » by rzzzzz » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:39 pm

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Sixersftw wrote:Phoenix was a legit contender for a while. You'd be lucky if Sixers sniff that with or without Hinkie.


LA would be lucky if Jeanie could dump their FO and get Hinkie on the rebound.
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#564 » by G R E Y » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:40 pm

Hello Sixers fans, I come in peace. As a Raps fan, I understand your angst over Lyin' Bryan being handed the crown. Hopefully his propensities will be tempered by his father (he fared better in Phoenix with daddy watching). But nevertheless, Raps fans stand in solidarity with a franchise that has to endure a Colangelo regime. Don't fall for the high collars, the meticulous unscrewing-sipping-screwing the cap back on the bottle, the 'excitement of a young core going forward' / 'retooling' / 'accelerated rebuild' / 'organic something or other' spiel. It's a sham. I was SO supportive when he came on board, but learned what the double speak really meant when compared with his moves. It's like when the Russians 'liberated' Poland in WWII. THEN look what happened. Cluster ****:

Seven years; 240 wins, 334 losses; three playoff wins (as in games, not series).

It can only get better in terms of wins, but the cost will be high for a long plateau. I HOPE that's not the case this time around, but all we've got to go on to predict the future is the past, and since the two-time exec couldn't get another job without his dad, well seems like the rest of the NBA didn't want to give him the benefit of the doubt either.

My heart goes out to you Philly fans.

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These are a little bit skewed because you don't see the horrendous contracts BC gave out and the picks he gave up like candy in acquiring assets that didn't fit.

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spikeslovechild wrote:Awful news. Replacing Sam Hinkie before he got a chance to realize his plan was beyond stupid. Strange he stepped down right after the Lowe podcast he gave no indication that it was happening.

Byran was the one of the worst GM's in the league prior to his firing in Toronto. Hiring him means signing mediocre talent to big money. Noone knows how to eat through cap space faster then this guy.


Funny thing is, a similar thing happened to Colangelo in Toronto when he stepped down after they brought someone else in. And Masai Ujiri was about to break up the team when pretty much the EXACT team Bryan built came in first in their division and won it with the same coach as the previous year. Much of the core is the same. At least Valuncias, Lowry and DeRozan were all acquisitions made before. He obviously made his share of mistakes though.

I wonder if he had not pulled the trigger on the trade last summer dealing MCW (which I had heard he had to really convince ownership to allow him to make that trade) if that started the process of them wanting to bring someone else in. Though I'm sure you guys know more details regarding that.

It's just that every GM comes into whatever situation they come into. Here was BC's (one of our posters, Phil A Xiao, got it from reddit):

Here's the situation he came into with Toronto.

22 year old All-Star averaging 22/10 still on a rookie deal
Half of the salary cap to play with
A first team rookie
The #1 pick in the upcoming draft

Here's what he left us with

Andrea Bargnani making 11 million a year
Rudy Gay making 19 million a year
Landry Fields making 8 million a year
A disgruntled Kyle Lowry ready to leave Toronto
No flexibility
Terrence Ross, who he drafted over Andre Drummond
Amir Johnson and DeMar (Both good, both signed to extensions much higher than they were worth at the time. Amir even said he didn't expect that much money when he signed his deal)
Jonas Valanciunas (Good prospect)

Along the way, he signed Hedo to a 5 year/50+ million deal, Jason Kapono to something like 6 million a year, and we almost didn't even get to draft Valanciunas, and we only did at the expense of Bosh. BC traded Ford and a pick that turned into Hibbert for Jermaine O'Neal.

When O'Neal didn't work out, BC traded O'Neal's contract and ANOTHER 1st rounder (eventually Val) for an expiring Shawn Marion. He used the Marion money to then sign Hedo to the previously mentioned insanely overpaid contract. At this point Bosh was a free agent and left, because honestly, who wouldn't leave this **** of a GM who's clearly focused on building around a PF who's worse than you in every way?

Bosh went to Miami who had the cap space to sign him due to the JO contract BC had traded to them so he could sign Hedo. Miami sent us back our own **** pick in a sign and trade so they could give Bosh the full max.

And this isn't even getting into the whole thing about Sam Mitchell saying BC wouldn't let him coach Bargnani his way and forced him to go easy on Bargs when he needed a fire lit under him like Mitchell did for Jose Calderon.

Not as highly publicized as Isiah's **** ups because it's Toronto and not New York, plus Isiah's **** mostly involved bigger names that more people knew, ours were more low-key **** that no one really notices but cripples you for years.


Masai inherited BC's mess along with a couple of good players -- DD and VAL - who were drafted by BC in the spots they were projected to go so it wasn't some keen drafting wizardry there. Lowry, while acquired by BC via trade, was very disgruntled here because he had to fight Jose 'no D, drive right this way, senor' Calderon for #1 PG position. It was Masai who mentored him, put faith in him, and re-signed him as a FA. Casey was told by BC to play Bargs 'come hell or high water'.

This team has three players left over from BC days, surrounded by an overhauled management and coaching support for Casey (who I loathe, but that's another matter), and surrounded said players with those that actually fit, all the while acquiring picks, and getting great return on trades, and signing players to decent contracts. Night and day. Just look at how the team was doing under BC with that core and how it's doing under Masai. Tells you all you need to know about chemistry, and fit on the team and competence on the part of a GM. Treadmill vs. at least improving each year to second in the east. This in three years, while Colonjello needed seven and still couldn't GM himself off a treadmill with no picks and being over the cap. Night and day.
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Post#565 » by Embiid P » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:41 pm

steveb21 wrote:
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Why? Seriously, you have to ask why? Off the top of my head you have season ticker holders who pay money to see this slop. You have advertisers who don't want to put their name on a piss poor product. And you have the league office and other owners who think fielding a D-league team in order to improve draft position is bad for the game. I'm sure there's other reasons but that's what I got on short notice...


In that case, maybe it's time for the league to take a long, hard look at its current CBA and how it forces most teams to net superstars through the draft which incentivizes teams to tank to become legit contenders. Yes, Hinkie tanked more blatantly and extremely than any other GM in NBA history, but he was only doing it because the league allowed him to do so. That is until now of course.

The point is, although the NBA has made Hinkie the poster child for how tanking is so wrong and bad for the game and yada yada yada, but they fail to realize that they are not without blame for causing Hinkie and countless other GMs before him to do what they had to do to field a perennial championship contender.


Lol, didn't they take a look at reforming the draft lottery?


Yes but that significantly lessens the chances of the worst teams becoming the best. Isn't the purpose of the draft supposed to be to help the worst teams get better?
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Post#566 » by Crooked-I » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:41 pm

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LA would be lucky if Jeanie could dump their FO and get Hinkie on the rebound.


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Post#567 » by Jojothewhale » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:43 pm

I would like to thank that clearly planted Woj phrase "too buried in numbers and pie graphs and PowerPoint presentations" for giving me the laugh I needed today. Pie graphs in 2016. That is absolutely what he was doing. Pie graphs.
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Post#568 » by Lou_23 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:51 pm

kriss73 wrote:Did you read this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-the-76ers-unraveled-sam-hinkie-193118470.html

I'm done with this ownership.

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Post#569 » by steveb21 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:53 pm

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steveb21 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
Why? I mean the Astros had some of worst records of all time. The cubs as well. 10, 15, 20, 30 wins these are meaningless numbers.

So if Hinkie signed a bunch of mid-level veterans instead of doing the Sac trade and finished with lets say 25 wins. Maybe he goes out and trades one of his firsts for Jeff Teague to get to 30. I mean so what? What does that accomplish? The Sixers still aren't going to the playoffs or winning a championship and you've sacrificed the assets of SAC and eaten into future cap space.


Why? Seriously, you have to ask why? Off the top of my head you have season ticker holders who pay money to see this slop. You have advertisers who don't want to put their name on a piss poor product. And you have the league office and other owners who think fielding a D-league team in order to improve draft position is bad for the game. I'm sure there's other reasons but that's what I got on short notice...


No I get it from the leagues perspective I really do. I mean it's the same reason why the Spurs get grief for resting their stars for large amount of regular season games and the same reason the lakers got grief during their heyday of doing the same thing. It's good FOR THEIR TEAM not good for the NBA.

But if you are a fan of the sixers why should you care? The product is still awful, you are capped out on mid level players (see knicks), and you have done just enough not to get one the top prospects in the draft.

Look I've seen this rodeo first time around when BC was with the raps. I've seen him waste million on Euro stiffs and let on hey Toronto is not an attractive FA destination. Well it wasn't an attractive FA destination because they sucked and when they weren't sucking they were a fringe playoff team. Funny how Masai doesn't seem to have any problem attracting American free agents.

It sort of becomes a viscous circle. I mean like I said earlier Hinkie really could have accelerated the process if he chose. He could have forgone the SAC trade, signed a bunch of free agents, and traded one or two firsts for some mediocre player that would get them five wins but at the end of the day wouldn't move the needle much. It's a testament to his moral fiber he didn't. I saw what Colangelo did when the writing was on the wall and it wasn't pretty.

Hinkie stayed true to himself to the very end and ultimately left the Sixers in a much better position because of it.


I hear you. I would be more worried if it was just BC coming on board but Pappa is watching. I hope (pray is more like it) that the end result is more like what he did in Phoenix. Hinkie left this thing almost idiot proof. A couple of moves and a tiny little bit of patience and this could work out well.
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Post#571 » by LongLiveHinkie » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:58 pm

Jojothewhale wrote:I would like to thank that clearly planted Woj phrase "too buried in numbers and pie graphs and PowerPoint presentations" for giving me the laugh I needed today. Pie graphs in 2016. That is absolutely what he was doing. Pie graphs.


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Post#572 » by guest81 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:02 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
steveb21 wrote:Lots of hate going on in here. To me it looks like BC was coming here regardless to work with Hinkie but Hinkie didn't want to share power and jumped ship. It's a shame because a team of Hinke, BC & JC would've been interesting to watch. (You have the old man with the connections, BC to handle the media & agents and Hinkie to do his thing).

Anyway, with the team knocking on the door of WOAT you have to expect some changes.


Why? I mean the Astros had some of worst records of all time. The cubs as well. 10, 15, 20, 30 wins these are meaningless numbers.

So if Hinkie signed a bunch of mid-level veterans instead of doing the Sac trade and finished with lets say 25 wins. Maybe he goes out and trades one of his firsts for Jeff Teague to get to 30. I mean so what? What does that accomplish? The Sixers still aren't going to the playoffs or winning a championship and you've sacrificed the assets of SAC and eaten into future cap space.


I don't understand how getting a guy like Teague would eat into the the capspace to such a degree when the 76ers have been below the floor for most of the time, and the cap is going to jump to a ridiculous way. I mean if you signed some vets to 3 year deals Hinkie first started in mentorship or leadership roles, they'd be coming off the books right now and they would still have the same cap space.

Even if Hinkie was still there, They still aren't looking at the playoffs for at least 2 years, and probably like 4-5 for serious contention. That's a long process with zero guarantees
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Post#573 » by Easymoney » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:08 pm

Jerry Coangelo is a snake in the grass and a coward. I don't respect him at all. Regardless of how anyone feels about Hinkie, it's a pretty classless to leak a private correspondence like that.

Ownership are a bunch of gutless cowards as well for allowing the league to dictate how they run their team. Only took 3 months for this outsider to infiltrate our team and install his son after a foundation had already been laid.
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Post#574 » by rzzzzz » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:14 pm

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Post#575 » by G R E Y » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:16 pm

kingofthecourt67 wrote:Serious question...what is a good avenue for all of us to let the owners know our extreme displeasure with not only pushing him out but with the garbage hiring right after?

You have to communicate with these types on a level they understand: money. Don't go to games, don't buy merch, boo the hell out of the owners and incoming GM. Don't fall for the improvements (no offense, but it's not hard to do on a 10-win team), and count the cost of those improvements.
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Post#576 » by CoreyGallagher » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:24 pm

Easymoney wrote:Jerry Coangelo is a snake in the grass and a coward. I don't respect him at all. Regardless of how anyone feels about Hinkie, it's a pretty classless to leak a private correspondence like that.

Ownership are a bunch of gutless cowards as well for allowing the league to dictate how they run their team. Only took 3 months for this outsider to infiltrate our team and install his son after a foundation had already been laid.

Yeah, even if you didn't like Hinkie, not leaking information showed refrain from everyone in the know, it showed that he hired respectful people or at least those that respected him enough to also not leak information. Now, we're unscrupulous at the top and the Colangelo's will hire these types throughout the organization.
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Post#577 » by Ericb5 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:25 pm

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steveb21 wrote:Lots of hate going on in here. To me it looks like BC was coming here regardless to work with Hinkie but Hinkie didn't want to share power and jumped ship. It's a shame because a team of Hinke, BC & JC would've been interesting to watch. (You have the old man with the connections, BC to handle the media & agents and Hinkie to do his thing).

Anyway, with the team knocking on the door of WOAT you have to expect some changes.


Why? I mean the Astros had some of worst records of all time. The cubs as well. 10, 15, 20, 30 wins these are meaningless numbers.

So if Hinkie signed a bunch of mid-level veterans instead of doing the Sac trade and finished with lets say 25 wins. Maybe he goes out and trades one of his firsts for Jeff Teague to get to 30. I mean so what? What does that accomplish? The Sixers still aren't going to the playoffs or winning a championship and you've sacrificed the assets of SAC and eaten into future cap space.


I don't understand how getting a guy like Teague would eat into the the capspace to such a degree when the 76ers have been below the floor for most of the time, and the cap is going to jump to a ridiculous way. I mean if you signed some vets to 3 year deals Hinkie first started in mentorship or leadership roles, they'd be coming off the books right now and they would still have the same cap space.

Even if Hinkie was still there, They still aren't looking at the playoffs for at least 2 years, and probably like 4-5 for serious contention. That's a long process with zero guarantees



The Rockets didn't have Harden until they got Harden. That happened in a single trade. They then got Howard because they had Harden. It is completely foolish to just assume that the Sixers are going to build incrementally. In fact that was a key facet of Hinkie's vision, and his presentation that got him to gig in the first place. Plant seeds, and nourish their development, and bide your time until targets of opportunity arise. If we draft a superstar, great! If we can sign a free agent superstar, great! If we just accumulate assets and pounce on one when it becomes available via trade, great!

For the sake of argument lets just assume that we get one of the top two players in this draft. We have a greater than 50% chance of that happening so it isn't a moonshot. We would then have 3 potential star players in 3 years of rebuilding in Embiid, Okafor, and Ingram/Simmons. Two of those potential players, being Embiid and Simmons, with true franchise player potential.

On top of that we would have a lot of ammunition to trade for an emergent star from another team, and enough cap room to sign free agents to join what we had.

Players like Noel, Okafor, Saric, and the Lakers pick have a lot of value, not to mention our pick next year, the potential Kings swaps, or what is very likely going to be an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings.

It would be a stunning amount of treasure accumulated in 3 years, while ALSO divesting ourselves of dead weight contracts, finding some young players with role play potential in Grant, Covington, and Holmes, a bunch more second round picks, AND getting back 2 of our own first round picks that were traded away by the previous regime.

This is what Hinkie was on the cusp of having THIS SUMMER. As an organization we might STILL have all of this this summer, but now we have a different guy in control of it, who in the past has shown that he has the opposite philosophy to Hinkie.

This is a complete injustice. If they felt that they needed to bring in someone to help Hinkie with his blind spots the time to do it would be the summer of 2017, and not now. No free agent of consequence is going to come here this year unless they are way over paid. Hinkie should have had complete control through the next season at least before they went to defcon 4 and forced him out.
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Post#578 » by G R E Y » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:46 pm

S.W.A.N wrote:Before you do ban all rap fans from posting...

I think it's too bad ownership jumped the gun, Sam did a lot of the heavy lifting for you guys and the future is bright...

As for BC. I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised by him. Yes he made some mistakes in Toronto. Fell in love with Bargs, overpaid free agents, etc. But he did a lot of good for toronto. The roster that is winning for us now is very heavy with BC guys. Masai came in and rearranged the cards and made things better, but he had some very good pieces to work with because of BC.

Also BC is a smart dude. There is no way he hasn't looked back on his time in Toronto with regret over the mistakes. I think he can do really well with a smart rebuild (assuming your ownership hasn't put a win now mandate in place).

Anyways good luck in the draft, I want you guys, not lakers to win it. (well okay I want Denver and New York to get into the top 3 but screw lakers, you guys deserve a top pick.

TWO - Val and DD, they're the only ones. This roster is very far from 'heavy with BC guys'. I don't count Lowry because Lowry was a desperate plan B after Nash didn't work out, and it was Masai who re-signed him. Lowry was unhappy here until Masai took him under his wing. TRoss was a mistake draft over Drummond and he gets injuries to his thumb. But even if you want to count four players, fine, just give the context of where the team was under BC and where it is under Masai, which tells you how the team is run, and give context to the assets (cap and picks) under each GM. Colonjello is a travesty who couldn't land a job without his father after the 'great' job he did with the Raps. :crazy:
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Post#579 » by BobThornton » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:50 pm

What team has a Chairman of Basketball Ops who works from home on the opposite side of the country? Ole Jer makes Phil Jackson seem like a workaholic.

Jer going to scout players in China? Maybe we can get him to hit up a Chinese Buffet in Tempe.

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Post#580 » by G R E Y » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:53 pm

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We're back to being an NBA franchise once again.....


Please point out the Bryan Colangelo accomplishments or transactions which inspire you to write that we're now an NBA franchise. I'll wait...



Colangelo is a 2 time executive of the year? what the hell was Hinkie? a 3 time asset collector of the year? give me a freakin break. I hope all you sons of scam follow him out of here.....go follow the next 20 year rebuilding plan or go trust another process....

Cuba Gooding Jr. has as many Oscars as Al Pacino.

NOBODY hired Bryan after his tenure in Toronto, and he had to get hired by his dad. Again. This, despite the two-time exec thing. Other NBA teams weren't buying the shiny trophies, but go ahead and be blinded by them.
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