Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein

[OAKLEY_2]

Jerry Colangelo recused himself from the Philadelphia 76ers' search for a general manager to work with Sam Hinkie and would have been fine with Danny Ferry over his son, Bryan Colangelo.

Bryan Colangelo badly wanted to be hired by the Brooklyn Nets and never wanted the 76ers' job. Bryan Colangelo wanted to avoid working in the shadow of his father amid claims of nepotism.

But the 76ers' ownership convinced Bryan Colangelo he was the best candidate available.

Colangelo has had success with both the Phoenix Suns and Toronto Raptors.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-the-76ers-unraveled-sam-hinkie-193118470.html

For all the talk about Byron Colangelo only getting this job because of his father, according to Woj, he didn't even want this job and even his dad, Jerry, actually preferred Ferry rather than hiring his son.

You do know he didn't get the Nets job right? I'm sure BC would have liked to get another opportunity without his father but he also didn't seem to want to put the work in and rebuild himself into the kind of candidate worthy of another opportunity.

I mean take a look around the league how many GM's who flopped as badly as BC did in TOR are sitting out there waiting for jobs to come to them? They take Assistant GM jobs. Glenn Grunwald went off to be an assistant GM with the knicks before getting a opportunity at GM. Babcock is an assistant GM of the Wolves.

They don't play Mr. Mom waiting for the next opportunity to fall from the sky.

Brian wasn't fired by the Raptors he was "re-assigned" when new owners took over. He couldn't work with the new CEO so he packed his bags and left. He has been making the odd appearance and doing interviews since. He has a young ish family so he didn't uproot them from Toronto. Had he got the Brooklyn job he would have then relocated. After Grunwald got sacked he ran the Toronto Board of Trade. After the Knicks job Grunwald became Athletic Director at a Canadian university. Brian Colangelo must have a decent financial portfolio and did play Mr. Mom - investor.

[Embiid P]

Yeah I think our chances of winning a title within the next 5-10 years have gone down dramatically within the last 48 hours. It's a shame that the NBA doesn't allow their teams to be owned by a bunch of share holders a la the Packers in the NFL because I'd be all for purchasing a share of the Sixers, firing both Colangelos and bringing Hinkie back to complete the process. I'm sure that a lot of you would be in with me as well although a few of you obviously wouldn't be lol.

[CoreyGallagher]

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[Wilfried]

Jerry Colangelo recused himself from the Philadelphia 76ers' search for a general manager to work with Sam Hinkie and would have been fine with Danny Ferry over his son, Bryan Colangelo.

Bryan Colangelo badly wanted to be hired by the Brooklyn Nets and never wanted the 76ers' job. Bryan Colangelo wanted to avoid working in the shadow of his father amid claims of nepotism.

But the 76ers' ownership convinced Bryan Colangelo he was the best candidate available.

Colangelo has had success with both the Phoenix Suns and Toronto Raptors.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-the-76ers-unraveled-sam-hinkie-193118470.html

For all the talk about Byron Colangelo only getting this job because of his father, according to Woj, he didn't even want this job and even his dad, Jerry, actually preferred Ferry rather than hiring his son.

if he didn't want the job, why did he take it than?

[Ericb5]

Those BC banners were hilarious.

All they show though is what we already know. He is a run of the mill establishment type of "go on to get along" GM.

Nothing out of the box. Nothing aimed at breaking out of the cycle.

Simply paint by number management.

This is so depressing.


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[eyeatoma]

So is it set in stone that BC is the GM? They said it was imminent 2 days ago. Is it possible there's a snag, and they'll go for someone else, or am I dreaming?

[JYD]

HE DIDN'T EVEN WANT THE **** JOB.

What a sham.

Hi guys,

Let me just say, I came to this board after seeing this news curious as to the reaction.

You definitely haven't missed anything in regards to the nature of BC, and Jerry I guess.

Here's a tidbit for you about BC. Someone on our board of directors called in Tim Leiweke to evaluate BC when he was not kept on Raptors. Not only did TL want him out, he went after BC in the press because BC was so indignant and seemingly enraged about it.

Keep in mind, there was no guise of bringing someone in to work with him and his contract was up anyway. He had charmed one of our owners, Larry Tanenbaum for years, and my take was BC was shocked he could no longer manipulate him and the rest of the board into keeping him on indefinitely, despite years of under-performance. BC's official line was that he didn't get a chance to see his rebuild, or whatever it was he was doing, through.

Now in your situation. your guy was basically pushed out, then slandered with his own leaked resignation letter. And before this happened, I guess Jerry encouraged ownership to seek out a new candidate while the current GM was still employed.

But even with all parallels to what upset him when he got tossed here (even worse in this case), and the nepotism thing, BC is in and you get shoveled lines like this.

I personally don't think Hinkie was the right guy for the GM job there long term, but what you have now is a snake pit. You should hope there is enough skepticism on the ownership board there to see through the BC facade if things go south, or sideways for too long.

On the bright side, BC is not an awful GM and he may have learned from his FA mistakes in particular. Him overspending on marginal FAs, and trading for names on bad contracts were his downfall because he spent most of his time trying to dig his way out. If he improves that aspect he may give you something good. I get the feeling if he sputters and tries the spin he tried in Toronto, the tolerance for it there will be a lot lower anyway. Good luck guys.

[Negrodamus]

Yeah I think our chances of winning a title within the next 5-10 years have gone down dramatically within the last 48 hours. It's a shame that the NBA doesn't allow their teams to be owned by a bunch of share holders a la the Packers in the NFL because I'd be all for purchasing a share of the Sixers, firing both Colangelos and bringing Hinkie back to complete the process. I'm sure that a lot of you would be in with me as well although a few of you obviously wouldn't be lol.

I don't think that's true, in fact I think the opposite is true. I think in the next 2 years we will be competing in the East. The problem is that we will be going all in on these upcoming years and will swing for the fences on deals. We are not building for 5-10 years though. I'll just try to enjoy this flash in the pan, but we were close to turning into a decade (or longer) of competing.

[Ericb5]

Yeah I think our chances of winning a title within the next 5-10 years have gone down dramatically within the last 48 hours. It's a shame that the NBA doesn't allow their teams to be owned by a bunch of share holders a la the Packers in the NFL because I'd be all for purchasing a share of the Sixers, firing both Colangelos and bringing Hinkie back to complete the process. I'm sure that a lot of you would be in with me as well although a few of you obviously wouldn't be lol.

I don't think that's true, in fact I think the opposite is true. I think in the next 2 years we will be competing in the East. The problem is that we will be going all in on these upcoming years and will swing for the fences on deals. We are not building for 5-10 years though. I'll just try to enjoy this flash in the pan, but we were close to turning into a decade (or longer) of competing.

The thing is that competing in the east is irrelevant. There is only one real contender in the east and that is Cleveland, and they have three stars.

Toronto, Atlanta, and Washington all compete in the east and they aren't even close to being a real contender.


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[Sixersftw]

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RIght in the feels.

[Negrodamus]

Yeah I think our chances of winning a title within the next 5-10 years have gone down dramatically within the last 48 hours. It's a shame that the NBA doesn't allow their teams to be owned by a bunch of share holders a la the Packers in the NFL because I'd be all for purchasing a share of the Sixers, firing both Colangelos and bringing Hinkie back to complete the process. I'm sure that a lot of you would be in with me as well although a few of you obviously wouldn't be lol.

I don't think that's true, in fact I think the opposite is true. I think in the next 2 years we will be competing in the East. The problem is that we will be going all in on these upcoming years and will swing for the fences on deals. We are not building for 5-10 years though. I'll just try to enjoy this flash in the pan, but we were close to turning into a decade (or longer) of competing.

The thing is that competing in the east is irrelevant. There is only one real contender in the east and that is Cleveland, and they have three stars.

Toronto, Atlanta, and Washington all compete in the east and they aren't even close to being a real contender.


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I know this. It's like being the Suns competing vs the Spurs/Lakers back in the early 2000s. Flash in the pan. So I can either be bitter for the entire time our team is relevant, or hope that they strike gold one of these years.

[Eyeamok]

At least 76ers have said Brett Brown's job isn't in question.

Yep and JC was brought in just as an extra voice in running the team too.

[mksp]

I'm still angry and it doesn't sound like Sam Hinkie is coming back.

What do we do?

[Eyeamok]

Did you read this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-the-76ers-unraveled-sam-hinkie-193118470.html

I'm done with this ownership.

If a 50 year old man did not want the job then why did he take it ?

He had to be convinced by his daddy. Give me a break. As I said before, there is nothing wrong in having your contact get you an interview, it is the way the world works. But he was the only candidate that ownership looked at, Why? Were there no other candidates now or in the foreseeable future? All this "he did not want the job" is just spin. If he did not want the job ask to be the co GM or just turn it down. Such utter BS.

It's like going out with a pretty girl, only to find out she did not really want to go out with you but agreed to the date because all her friends twisted her arm and said you were a nice guy. Not a great way to start of a relationship, are you going to have to constantly win her over. And I don't want to go out with anyone that has to be convinced by others to go out with me. Same as I don't want a GM that has to be convinced by ownership and his daddy to take the job. Especially when he is the ONLY candidate.

The 76ers look bad on so many fronts with this story. Just the whole Hinkie ouster, the please take the job BC, only having one candidate, and the speed in which it has been done. BC was a GM in waiting.

It's just a sad sounding situation all around.

[Eyeamok]

I'm still angry and it doesn't sound like Sam Hinkie is coming back.

What do we do?

Sad as it may sound. I think we are in the minority on this when it comes to conviction about this team. The average fan will come to games once they start winning and when the team starts spinning in the news outlets how they have turned the corner.

The idea of building a team that can compete for a championship year in and year out will fade quickly to be replaced by average basketball wants and need.

Not saying Hinkie had all the answers and it was a straight shot to a championship. But at least he had a plan for better or for worse. And he made me a believer. And I was ok with the plan not working as well as he wanted it to, because it was at least a plan that had a direction, not a quick band-aid fix.

I'm interested in seeing what BC long term plan is.

Been a fan for a very long time. Can't say I will jump ship but this organization does not hold the same wonder and awe it did a few days ago. Because I already know what is going to happen. A quick fix. But I am open to being proven wrong.

On a side note. I would go to tankathon and the ESPN lottery site every night before Hinkie stepped down. Have not been there once since then. No desire. I know it's only been two days. But that is how disappointed I am with this entire mess.

[mksp]

I'm still angry and it doesn't sound like Sam Hinkie is coming back.

What do we do?

Sad as it may sound. I think we are in the minority on this when it comes to conviction about this team. The average fan will come to games once they start winning and when the team starts spinning in the news outlets how they have turned the corner.

The idea of building a team that can compete for a championship year in and year out will fade quickly to be replaced by average basketball wants and need.

Not saying Hinkie had all the answers and it was a straight shot to a championship. But at least he had a plan for better or for worse. And he made me a believer. And I was ok with the plan not working as well as he wanted it to, because it was at least a plan that had a direction, not a quick band-aid fix.

I'm interested in seeing what BC long term plan is.

Been a fan for a very long time. Can't say I will jump ship but this organization does not hold the same wonder and awe it did a few days ago. Because I already know what is going to happen. A quick fix. But I am open to being proven wrong.

On a side note. I would go to tankathon and the ESPN lottery site every night before Hinkie stepped down. Have not been there once since then. No desire. I know it's only been two days. But that is how disappointed I am with this entire mess.

I can't really bring my self to care about this offseason anymore. After being really excited for it.

Right now the only thing that is making me feel better is reading the @Sixers and @ScottONeil mentions on Twitter.

I think it's closer to 50/50 than you'd think in terms of how upset fans are that Hinkie was pushed out. Not everyone agreed with the process, but even the most basic fans can recognize a despotic coup by the Colangelos.

I'm actually seeing very little fan support. Of course, all the bad writers in town (the Smallwoods and Hayes of the world) think this is great.

[Ponchos]

Those BC banners were hilarious.

All they show though is what we already know. He is a run of the mill establishment type of "go on to get along" GM.

Nothing out of the box. Nothing aimed at breaking out of the cycle.

Simply paint by number management.

This is so depressing.


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Actually he's different than any other GM I've ever seen. He makes splashy moves just to be splashy, gets personally attached to players to the detriment of the team, and likes to revamp the roster every season. Oh and he has only signed one good contract in his entire life. Everything else has been an extreme overpay.

He's a used car salesman.

[guitarpath]

I think Hinkie is a smart guy and was on board with The Process, but if we are going to be objective, we should admit a few things:

1. Hinkie was perfectly willing to tank perpetually until he acquired the stars necessary to compete. A perpetual tank (or one lasting 4-7 years), while fine in theory, would never work in reality for several reasons (including pressure from the league, financial pressure, establishing a toxic culture of losing, not being able to attract for retain players. etc.)
2. Hinkie's communication and interpersonal issues were a major problem which was undermining the team's growth and future.

For these reasons, it was obvious that Hinkie was not going to see The Process through.

While most here are fearful that long-term sustainabilty will be sacrificed for short-term improvement (and they are likely correct), we can take some solace in that free agents and draftees will now be much more likely to come to Philly.

This, plus the pending assets coming in this draft and next season, will lead to this team becoming respectable very soon.

A good argument can be made that Hinkie already did his job by paying off pasts debts and setting the team up well in the future. This came at a steep price. Tanking the past three seasons has been hard. Maybe they can finally get lucky in the draft lottery and with Embiid and Saric and move this forward in a positive way.

[phiphan]

I think Hinkie is a smart guy and was on board with The Process, but if we are going to be objective, we should admit a few things:

1. Hinkie was perfectly willing to tank perpetually until he acquired the stars necessary to compete. A perpetual tank (or one lasting 4-7 years), while fine in theory, would never work in reality for several reasons (including pressure from the league, financial pressure, establishing a toxic culture of losing, not being able to attract for retain players. etc.)
2. Hinkie's communication and interpersonal issues were a major problem which was undermining the team's growth and future.

But yeah, neither of these are true. The indications were clear that this was the last year of hard tanking. The "communication and interpersonal issues" are a product of Sam freezing out local media, and local media getting pissy about it. How does that affect how he runs the team? Where do you see "objective" evidence that his supposed "communication and interpersonal issues" affected the team?

I will admit this about Sam: his talent evaluation was questionable.

[XtremeDunkz]

Press Conference Sunday at WFC. Perfect time to show up and protest, just sayin.