KCP/Butler

Shooter1 · Post #1 » by **Shooter1** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 1:54 am

I never though that KCP would turn the corner. I really like how he has been playing this year. That being said would you package KCP to get Jimmy Butler?

ComboGuardCity · Post #2 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:01 am

I think KCP has a shot at being the next Jimmy Butler. Call me a homer but I believe!!!!!!!

Blkbrd671 · Post #3 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:05 am

Shooter1 wrote:I never though that KCP would turn the corner. I really like how he has been playing this year. That being said would you package KCP to get Jimmy Butler?

I am with CGC on this in that he's going to be the next Butler, however having said that, yes we'd package KCP for Butler, it would just depend on what else is being ask. Potential vs production

DBC10 · Post #4 » by **DBC10** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:08 am

Butler is gritty and has Piston DNA all over. I'd definitely do a package for Butler over KCP.

But KCP has turned the corner since his shooting may be down this year, but has turned his defense up in response. If he matches a bit more on the offensive end, that's basically Butler lite.

Arp590 · Post #5 » by **Arp590** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:09 am

Depends on what we'd be giving up, but most likely yes.

MrBigShot · Post #6 » by **MrBigShot** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:11 am

Yes I would, but that's more of a testament to how high I am on Butler as a player. Reggie + Butler would be a dominant back court. Only Curry + Thompson would be definitively better.

I'm really happy with KCP's development this season, and unlike a certain complacent Piston who stopped getting better after his 2nd season (cough Greg Monroe cough), I fully expect KCP to keep improving.

Todd3 · Post #7 » by **Todd3** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:49 am

Why would the Bulls trade an All-Star SG for a lesser one, and why would we not want that deal if they did?

I'm not saying saying that to diss KCP, but these 2 players aren't even close in value if being realistic. The Bulls would probably ask for Drummond or Reggie.

kurtis48239 · Post #8 » by **kurtis48239** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:10 am

The level headed fan would have to take that deal,but the piston fan in me wouldnt.

The other thing is we would have to gut our team and iam sure we wouldnt be able to get away without them wanting one of reggie/dre,so hell noooo.

DBC10 · Post #9 » by **DBC10** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:14 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEo6S4YukUg

On second thought. Nah. Looking back at those games, he easily won us a few with his defense alone.

Liqourish · Post #10 » by **Liqourish** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:24 am

DBC10 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEo6S4YukUg

On second thought. Nah. Looking back at those games, he easily won us a few with his defense alone.

His defense is so underrated overall.

DBC10 · Post #11 » by **DBC10** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:32 am

Liqourish wrote:
DBC10 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEo6S4YukUg

On second thought. Nah. Looking back at those games, he easily won us a few with his defense alone.

His defense is so underrated overall.

Defense isn't easily quantifiable, which is why it's easier to rip on a player like KCP when he's not dropping double digits with efficiency while being one of the highest minutes played in the league AND doing this.

Of course some ignore those factors (among many) and just scapegoat him because that's always easier. It's hilariously misguided.

Todd3 · Post #12 » by **Todd3** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:46 am

DBC10 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEo6S4YukUg

On second thought. Nah. Looking back at those games, he easily won us a few with his defense alone.

You wouldn't trade KCP for Butler?

Someone made the kool-aid too strong tonight lol

You're aware Butler is just as good (if not better) defensively, right?

joedumars1 · Post #13 » by **joedumars1** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:49 am

Sorry but no. Rj would have to be involved they both control the ball to much

sfballa13 · Post #14 » by **sfballa13** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:56 am

There is one benefit to keeping KCP and him playing like **** next season as well

We can sign him as a super sub SG off the bench who can come in guard the other team's best player when needed on a spot basis

Then go out and try to get a starting SG

ElectricMayhem · Post #15 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:57 am

Todd3 wrote:You wouldn't trade KCP for Butler?

The OP is asking if we would package KCP for Butler. That means include other assets. Nobody is saying they wouldn't do a 1 for 1 swap. I'm on record in numerous places saying I would support KCP + SJ + 2 1sts for Butler. I'm wavering on that a little now because of Butler's questionable knee. If there is absolutely nothing wrong with it then I would still do that trade because KCP and SJ are potential while Butler IS one of the top players in the league. If KCP is able to get his shot more consistent, I love having him because he has proven he can defend just about anyone. Combined, I think KCP and SJ will end up producing as much or more than Butler, but in this league it is best to have your talent consolidated.

As for why Chicago would trade him? To blow it up. That's actually a popular choice if you go over to the Bulls' forum. Many of them want to get rid of Jimmy and Rose and if they can get a couple younger guys and a couple 1sts, that's a deal they would have a hard time passing up.

In short, I'm close to the fence but solidly on the side of pulling the trigger if the situation presented itself and his knee was fine. Still, it's not crazy to hold onto what we've got and grow our assets because they're going to be pretty good.

DBC10 · Post #16 » by **DBC10** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:57 am

Todd3 wrote:
DBC10 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEo6S4YukUg

On second thought. Nah. Looking back at those games, he easily won us a few with his defense alone.

You wouldn't trade KCP for Butler?

Someone made the kool-aid too strong tonight lol

You're aware Butler is just as good (if not better) defensively, right?

The Homerism says no.

Realistically, yes like I mentioned in my op.

Scout Taron · Post #17 » by **Scout Taron** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:59 am

We could never acquire Butler without trading Drummond.

DetPistons04 · Post #18 » by **DetPistons04** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:07 am

joedumars1 wrote:Sorry but no. Rj would have to be involved they both control the ball to much

This... I think Butler and Reggie would be kind of conflicting players like Butler is now when Rose is playing. They both need to ball too much I think. Plus we would need to give up a lot for Butler anyhow.

Scout Taron · Post #19 » by **Scout Taron** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:11 am

I don't think Butler needs to be ball dominant. He was a very good player in a smaller role, just has taken over the star role because hell he's a star.

It's a moot point though.

joedumars1 · Post #20 » by **joedumars1** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:16 am

Scout Taron wrote:I don't think Butler needs to be ball dominant. He was a very good player in a smaller role, just has taken over the star role because hell he's a star.

It's a moot point though.

He doesn't. He wants to have the ball tho. He should. Bulls are going to try and move rose this offseason guaransheed