What makes the 2016 Warriors any better than the 1997 Bulls?

Rupert Murdoch · Post #1 » by **Rupert Murdoch** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:45 pm

People are comparing them to the 1996 Bulls because of the record but they are statistically much more comparable to the 1997 Bulls.

2016 Warriors

Average Point Differential: 10.8 PPG
SRS: 10.34
Off RTG: 114.6 (1st in NBA)
Def RTG: 103.8 (5th in NBA)

1997 Bulls

Average Point Differential: 10.8 PPG
SRS: 10.70
Off RTG: 114.4 (1st in NBA)
Def RTG: 102.4 (4th in NBA)

The average point differential and offensive rating is virtually identical but the '97 Bulls had a better SRS and defensive rating. They were just as good if not slightly better than this year's Warriors team.

rumdiary · Post #2 » by **rumdiary** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 3:58 pm

Who cares which one was better really? They're both two of the most entertaining and dominating teams in NBA history and I'm really glad to have grown up with the Bulls and now I get to watch the Warriors.

Warriorfan · Post #3 » by **Warriorfan** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:03 pm

1997 Bulls are better unless GS repeats.

WarriorsEFC · Post #4 » by **WarriorsEFC** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:05 pm

Why can't we just say the Bulls were the best of their era and the Warriors are the best of this era?

mihail_petkov · Post #5 » by **mihail_petkov** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:25 pm

I think that Warriors ORTG and DRTG are not accurate to real number because during 1/4 of the season their starters didn't play in the whole forth quarter + a few other quarters where they played only 3-4 minutes. Then their bench kill the difference every time when they come to the floor in already decided games.

PierceFan4ever · Post #6 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:35 pm

Well, I don't think the Warriors are better than either the 96 or 97 Bulls it just they're compared to the 96 Bulls because of the regular season record

JonFromVA · Post #7 » by **JonFromVA** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:39 pm

mihail_petkov wrote:I think that Warriors ORTG and DRTG are not accurate to real number because during 1/4 of the season their starters didn't play in the whole forth quarter + a few other quarters where they played only 3-4 minutes. Then their bench kill the difference every time when they come to the floor in already decided games.

This is typical, though, and the W's have a pretty good bench that at least will hold leads.

JonFromVA · Post #8 » by **JonFromVA** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:40 pm

WarriorsEFC wrote:Why can't we just say the Bulls were the best of their era and the Warriors are the best of this era?

Bingo... but even that's too early to say. Best team has to win the championship!

PizzaSteve · Post #9 » by **PizzaSteve** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:41 pm

Why do we have a compulsion to rank or compare different teams that are not actually in competition with each other? I think it is our tribal human nature that influences our thinking. We seem doomed to need to form tribes, associate with our tribe and then both within and without, create a hierarchy. Silly stuff.

Which is better, a beautiful, perfect red rose that bloomed in 1980 or a gorgeous, colorful orchid grown in 2016? Neither. Both are perfectly pleasurable to observe. WarriorsEFC, has it right, as quoted above. (In my opinion)

KyletheDingbat · Post #10 » by **KyletheDingbat** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:50 pm

PizzaSteve wrote:Why do we have a compulsion to rank or compare different teams that are not actually in competition with each other? I think it is our tribal human nature that influences our thinking. We seem doomed to need to form tribes, associate with our tribe and then both within and without, create a hierarchy. Silly stuff.

Which is better, a beautiful, perfect red rose that bloomed in 1980 or a gorgeous, colorful orchid grown in 2016? Neither. Both are perfectly pleasurable to observe. WarriorsEFC, has it right, as quoted above. (In my opinion)

BORING!

97 Bulls FTW. Rodman gets Green ejected in all four games of the sweep. Jordan gets sick of this 'Curry is the GOAT shooter' noise and decides to hit 10 first half 3's, and then instead of a shrug, he grabs his D and shoves his tongue out at Steph. Pippen leaves the games with headaches and Kerr hits the championship winning jumper and cries in sorrow.

mihail_petkov · Post #11 » by **mihail_petkov** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:51 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
mihail_petkov wrote:I think that Warriors ORTG and DRTG are not accurate to real number because during 1/4 of the season their starters didn't play in the whole forth quarter + a few other quarters where they played only 3-4 minutes. Then their bench kill the difference every time when they come to the floor in already decided games.

This is typical, though, and the W's have a pretty good bench that at least will hold leads.

I am not sure how to check but I am sure their bench is negative in all blowouts.

Dominator83 · Post #12 » by **Dominator83** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:00 pm

This isn't going to end well....

NBAfan3024 · Post #13 » by **NBAfan3024** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:04 pm

Mods lock this crap

laika · Post #14 » by **laika** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 6:59 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
mihail_petkov wrote:I think that Warriors ORTG and DRTG are not accurate to real number because during 1/4 of the season their starters didn't play in the whole forth quarter + a few other quarters where they played only 3-4 minutes. Then their bench kill the difference every time when they come to the floor in already decided games.

This is typical, though, and the W's have a pretty good bench that at least will hold leads.

They do not. The Warriors bench is massively overrated and is statistically one of the worst in the league.

It's hard to find lineup numbers for 97, but my guess is that the Warrior's best lineups are a lot better than the Bulls.

AIfan3 · Post #15 » by **AIfan3** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 7:06 pm

NBAfan3024 wrote:Mods lock this crap

Truth..

We have this thread every month it seems..

Post #16 » by **Domejandro** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 7:23 pm

AIfan3 wrote:
NBAfan3024 wrote:Mods lock this crap

Truth..

We have this thread every month it seems..

I would actually argue that it is weekly.

In any case, for me personally, I would pick the Warriors in a best of seven series.

CP300 lbs · Post #17 » by **CP300 lbs** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 7:26 pm

NBAfan3024 wrote:Mods lock this crap

Agreed. Lock this up Mods.

whocurrz · Post #18 » by **whocurrz** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 8:06 pm

laika wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
mihail_petkov wrote:I think that Warriors ORTG and DRTG are not accurate to real number because during 1/4 of the season their starters didn't play in the whole forth quarter + a few other quarters where they played only 3-4 minutes. Then their bench kill the difference every time when they come to the floor in already decided games.

This is typical, though, and the W's have a pretty good bench that at least will hold leads.

They do not. The Warriors bench is massively overrated and is statistically one of the worst in the league.

It's hard to find lineup numbers for 97, but my guess is that the Warrior's best lineups are a lot better than the Bulls.

There's good individual players on the warriors bench who can play with starters well. Iguodala is a great 6th man who improves the defense, is a good secondary ball handler and with those two skills really helps the transition game. Livingston allows Curry to play off ball and has the post game to punish opposing teams if they switch their longer defenders on Curry and try to guard Shaun with PGs. Ezeli is a good roll man to catch lobs from the 4 on 3s created in the Curry/Green pick and roll. Barbosa and Speights are both gunners off the bench who can provide good offense but not the most consistent. But as a whole the bench is a poor fit to play together. Iguodala, Livingston and Barbosa are all most effective with the ball in their hands and although good at cutting off ball, none are floor spacers. Iguodala and Livingston are basically redundant when playing together. Speights is pretty good at stretching the floor. Ezeli is a solid defender, rebounder and roll man but not a very good at scoring when creating his own shot.

Tinseltown · Post #19 » by **Tinseltown** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 8:10 pm

2016 Steph Curry > 1997 Michael Jordan

Fico92 · Post #20 » by **Fico92** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 8:15 pm

mihail_petkov wrote:I think that Warriors ORTG and DRTG are not accurate to real number because during 1/4 of the season their starters didn't play in the whole forth quarter + a few other quarters where they played only 3-4 minutes. Then their bench kill the difference every time when they come to the floor in already decided games.

As opposed to the Bulls who played their starters 48 minutes.