Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[PhilasFinest]

yeah if those 25-28 year olds are actual gamechangers....otherwise it is a waste of time and money. IMO if you are going to spend money on a guy, he needs to be a part of your contending core...otherwise go for cheaper alternatives. I will never understand why people are in such a hurry to become a 25-35 win team ASAP. Yes to contend, you have to do so eventually as going from 10 wins to 50 does not happen...period. But doing so via your young players rather than some dude who won't be here if you ever contend...is just ehhhh. Short term yeah. wooo back in the hunt I guess..but then you either have to let those guys go and hope your youth is now ready to lead or overpay to keep them to stay afloat. Both options mean you miss out on better chances at top flight picks to actually add to your core.

The Mo Cheeks/ Doug Collins era Sixers, drafted pretty well all things considered (most of those dudes are still in the league after all) but the consistant issue was that we ended up being built backwards in that we had a team full of great role players but no centerpice and had no way of getting one.

Now of course if Embiid, Okafor, or whoever we draft show star potential...THEN you can kinda kick it into overdrive...but even then...look at the Pelicans. They have one of the top 5 players in the WORLD...and suck because they rushed things.

This offseason, I am looking for Corey Joseph type FA signings...nothing major. That plus our 3 draft additions, Saric and Embiid should be enough to move us forward and allow us to see what we got before commiting money to dudes who won't help us longterm.

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

If you disagreed with Hinkie's approach then fine I can accept it, but if you're looking for a GM that saves his cap space wisely for that one impact free agent, then I'm afraid that Bryan Colangelo isn't your guy. He's pretty much Billy King 2.0 when it comes to wasting cap space on mediocre free agents.

Sure, He made some bad signings like Landry Fields....but lets not overlook the fact that he also was apart of clearing out a ton of cap space, to sign a superstar Steve Nash via FA.

Just like Hinkie swung for the fences in the NBA draft, I expect the Colangelo's to do the same thing but via trades/FA as well.

Just like Hinkie, they likely wont bat 100%....but all it takes is 1 move to pan out to change a franchise. If we find our Stoudemire, Marion and/or Nash....then our teams future will have changed.

[Mik317]

again this idea that Hinkie on the last year of his contract was just going to tank again is asinine as ****. "lol he wasn't going to try to win ever herp derrrrp" is a dumb ass thought that now can't even be proven wrong because we will never know because he was kneecapped before getting a chance to. Its super easy to say that now for some reason despite having no **** proof.

This is the most frustrating part of this whole situation. We will never know how it really was going to turn out..and yet both sides will still act like they were totally right despite the lack of an ending.

[spikeslovechild]

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

If you disagreed with Hinkie's approach then fine I can accept it, but if you're looking for a GM that saves his cap space wisely for that one impact free agent, then I'm afraid that Bryan Colangelo isn't your guy. He's pretty much Billy King 2.0 when it comes to wasting cap space on mediocre free agents.

Sure, He made some bad signings like Landry Fields....but lets not overlook the fact that he also was apart of clearing out a ton of cap space, to sign a superstar Steve Nash via FA.

Just like Hinkie swung for the fences in the NBA draft, I expect the Colangelo's to do the same thing but via trades/FA as well.

Just like Hinkie, they likely wont bat 100%....but all it takes is 1 move to pan out to change a franchise. If we find our Stoudemire, Marion and/or Nash....then our teams future will have changed.

Except he didn't swing for the fence. He signed up washed up stars and mid-level free agents. I know I was there when it happened.

Jorge Garbosa (no idea if I spelt his name correctly), Kleiza, Aaron Gray, Fred Jones, Hedo, Oneal, Peja, etc. I mean is trading for Joe Johnson before he's cut swinging for the fences? No it's just stupid.

You can't take one instance of him swinging for the fences with Gay and create a narrative for the six years that he was there. Also, to be quite honest I'm not sure I would even use that description on Gay because when he came to the Raps he was 27. I think if you take a look at some of SVG moves you can come to that conclusion with Tobias Harrias and Jackson.

I think you could come to that conclusion if you brought in Clarkson or Middleton in the offseason. But it's really not that hard to bring in players who are in the middle of their careers who have major flaws and their clubs have grown tired of. Nor is it particularly laudable.

[PhilasFinest]

again this idea that Hinkie on the last year of his contract was just going to tank again is asinine as ****. "lol he wasn't going to try to win ever herp derrrrp" is a dumb ass thought that now can't even be proven wrong because we will never know because he was kneecapped before getting a chance to. Its super easy to say that now for some reason despite having no **** proof.

This is the most frustrating part of this whole situation. We will never know how it really was going to turn out..and yet both sides will still act like they were totally right despite the lack of an ending.

Perfectly put.

Sadly, no matter what the outcome may be....we will NEVER know what could have been.

[Negrodamus]

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

If you disagreed with Hinkie's approach then fine I can accept it, but if you're looking for a GM that saves his cap space wisely for that one impact free agent, then I'm afraid that Bryan Colangelo isn't your guy. He's pretty much Billy King 2.0 when it comes to wasting cap space on mediocre free agents.

Sure, He made some bad signings like Landry Fields....but lets not overlook the fact that he also was apart of clearing out a ton of cap space, to sign a superstar Steve Nash via FA.

Just like Hinkie swung for the fences in the NBA draft, I expect the Colangelo's to do the same thing but via trades/FA as well.

Just like Hinkie, they likely wont bat 100%....but all it takes is 1 move to pan out to change a franchise. If we find our Stoudemire, Marion and/or Nash....then our teams future will have changed.

Clear room for a FA signing? Look at the champions of the past 20 years. Warriors, Spurs, Lakers, even the Heat were headlined by (a) guy(s) that were drafted by that same team (Wade, Bryant, Curry/Thompson, Duncan/Ginobili/Parker/Leonard. Yes, those teams had huge FA signings, but those were transcendent talents coming in like LeBron, Shaq, Bosh, etc. not the corpse of Steve Nash. If he's able to sign Durant or a mega star in this league, then go ahrad. Do not spent the massive cap room we have on a 30 year old point guard that's on the downside of his career. I know a lot of Nash's issues on the Lakers were injury related, but he was OLD.

A max contract on a FA should be spent on the intersection of youth and supreme talent.

[JYD]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he looks to deal for Terrence Ross. Lots of raptor fans think he'll be dealt this off-season and I think it makes sense for you guys as you have picks to deal and he's a young guy at a position of need who's likely better than other FA options.

I've no idea what our gm lets Ross go for, I'm assuming it would be for a decent first rounder at the least. A deal like that makes sense though if you guys draft a core SF and pg, or big.

[Stanford]

For the love of Ben Franklin, please do not try to deal with Masai.

[Worm122]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he looks to deal for Terrence Ross. Lots of raptor fans think he'll be dealt this off-season and I think it makes sense for you guys as you have picks to deal and he's a young guy at a position of need who's likely better than other FA options.

I've no idea what our gm lets Ross go for, I'm assuming it would be for a decent first rounder at the least. A deal like that makes sense though if you guys draft a core SF and pg, or big.

Whatttttttttttttttt trade a decent pick for this bust???? are you crazy??

[JYD]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he looks to deal for Terrence Ross. Lots of raptor fans think he'll be dealt this off-season and I think it makes sense for you guys as you have picks to deal and he's a young guy at a position of need who's likely better than other FA options.

I've no idea what our gm lets Ross go for, I'm assuming it would be for a decent first rounder at the least. A deal like that makes sense though if you guys draft a core SF and pg, or big.

Whatttttttttttttttt trade a decent pick for this bust???? are you crazy??

Honestly, Ross is pretty solid. Beginning of the year he was awful following the extension, but defensively and offensively he's consistent now. He can create his own shot/space pretty decently as well. I think if his usage goes up you see an even more productive player.

A lot of our fans, including myself, were shocked by his extension. But with the increasing cap and his ability, he is pretty good market value especially considering a ton of teams have cap space and are looking to improve but very few will be players for the big name FAs.

I think there will be real interest there by BC, I have no idea if he's willing to give what our GM wants, but it does make sense for both teams to talk here.

[Worm122]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he looks to deal for Terrence Ross. Lots of raptor fans think he'll be dealt this off-season and I think it makes sense for you guys as you have picks to deal and he's a young guy at a position of need who's likely better than other FA options.

I've no idea what our gm lets Ross go for, I'm assuming it would be for a decent first rounder at the least. A deal like that makes sense though if you guys draft a core SF and pg, or big.

Whatttttttttttttttt trade a decent pick for this bust???? are you crazy??

Honestly, Ross is pretty solid. Beginning of the year he was awful following the extension, but defensively and offensively he's consistent now. He can create his own shot/space pretty decently as well. I think if his usage goes up you see an even more productive player.

A lot of our fans, including myself, were shocked by his extension. But with the increasing cap and his ability, he is pretty good market value especially considering a ton of teams have cap space and are looking to improve but very few will be players for the big name FAs.

I think there will be real interest there by BC, I have no idea if he's willing to give what our GM wants, but it does make sense for both teams to talk here.

i think that you are Bryan Colangelo kkkk whats is for you a decent first round pick??

[bedjawII]

If you disagreed with Hinkie's approach then fine I can accept it, but if you're looking for a GM that saves his cap space wisely for that one impact free agent, then I'm afraid that Bryan Colangelo isn't your guy. He's pretty much Billy King 2.0 when it comes to wasting cap space on mediocre free agents.

Sure, He made some bad signings like Landry Fields....but lets not overlook the fact that he also was apart of clearing out a ton of cap space, to sign a superstar Steve Nash via FA.

Just like Hinkie swung for the fences in the NBA draft, I expect the Colangelo's to do the same thing but via trades/FA as well.

Just like Hinkie, they likely wont bat 100%....but all it takes is 1 move to pan out to change a franchise. If we find our Stoudemire, Marion and/or Nash....then our teams future will have changed.

Clear room for a FA signing? Look at the champions of the past 20 years. Warriors, Spurs, Lakers, even the Heat were headlined by (a) guy(s) that were drafted by that same team (Wade, Bryant, Curry/Thompson, Duncan/Ginobili/Parker/Leonard. Yes, those teams had huge FA signings, but those were transcendent talents coming in like LeBron, Shaq, Bosh, etc. not the corpse of Steve Nash. If he's able to sign Durant or a mega star in this league, then go ahrad. Do not spent the massive cap room we have on a 30 year old point guard that's on the downside of his career. I know a lot of Nash's issues on the Lakers were injury related, but he was OLD.

A max contract on a FA should be spent on the intersection of youth and supreme talent.

What does Nash and the Lakers have to do with BC?

[JYD]

i think that you are Bryan Colangelo kkkk whats is for you a decent first round pick??

lol take it easy man, I'm just giving my take, not trying to sell you anything. Don't worry you'll know when it's the real BC talking.

My guess of what our GM would want for Ross would be a borderline lotto pick, like 15-18 kind of range..or a young player we like on rookie scale. We shed salary to sign Biyombo/make room for Powell, plus trade return.

I see you have the 21st pick in this draft, maybe something like that would be the starting point for a deal here. We could be interested in someone like Grant as well, just spitballing.

[Worm122]

i think that you are Bryan Colangelo kkkk whats is for you a decent first round pick??

lol take it easy man, I'm just giving my take, not trying to sell you anything. Don't worry you'll know when it's the real BC talking.

My guess of what our GM would want for Ross would be a borderline lotto pick, like 15-18 kind of range..or a young player we like on rookie scale. We shed salary to sign Biyombo/make room for Powell, plus trade return.

I see you have the 21st pick in this draft, maybe something like that would be the starting point for a deal here. We could be interested in someone like Grant as well, just spitballing.

kkkkk lol two second round picks and nothing more

[OAKLEY_2]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he looks to deal for Terrence Ross. Lots of raptor fans think he'll be dealt this off-season and I think it makes sense for you guys as you have picks to deal and he's a young guy at a position of need who's likely better than other FA options.

I've no idea what our gm lets Ross go for, I'm assuming it would be for a decent first rounder at the least. A deal like that makes sense though if you guys draft a core SF and pg, or big.

Whatttttttttttttttt trade a decent pick for this bust???? are you crazy??

Honestly, Ross is pretty solid. Beginning of the year he was awful following the extension, but defensively and offensively he's consistent now. He can create his own shot/space pretty decently as well. I think if his usage goes up you see an even more productive player.

A lot of our fans, including myself, were shocked by his extension. But with the increasing cap and his ability, he is pretty good market value especially considering a ton of teams have cap space and are looking to improve but very few will be players for the big name FAs.

I think there will be real interest there by BC, I have no idea if he's willing to give what our GM wants, but it does make sense for both teams to talk here.

BC claimed later Ross was not his idea at number 8. He said Casey and their analytics pretty much chose Ross considered by all to be a reach. Colangelo missed Harrison Barnes by a coin toss with GSW which Colangelo acted like it meant tails I'm so fired.

[XtremeDunkz]

i think that you are Bryan Colangelo kkkk whats is for you a decent first round pick??

lol take it easy man, I'm just giving my take, not trying to sell you anything. Don't worry you'll know when it's the real BC talking.

My guess of what our GM would want for Ross would be a borderline lotto pick, like 15-18 kind of range..or a young player we like on rookie scale. We shed salary to sign Biyombo/make room for Powell, plus trade return.

I see you have the 21st pick in this draft, maybe something like that would be the starting point for a deal here. We could be interested in someone like Grant as well, just spitballing.

I'll take a hard pass on that. Ross does nothing for me. Just a guy. You don't trade for "just guys." But Bryan might, who knows.

[Chamberlainship]

I expect them to trade some picks. An NBA roster is not big enough to carry a bunch of young and developing players and still hope to be competitive. I would also expect them to bring in a few vets. I'd love to see them kick the tires on Noah. I know he's injury prone, but the way he competes, he could be really popular in Philadelphia and help close the door on the entitlement culture of the prior regime. I also expect them to bring in a good bona fide NBA point guard. That's essential.

[XtremeDunkz]

I expect them to trade some picks. An NBA roster is not big enough to carry a bunch of young and developing players and still hope to be competitive. I would also expect them to bring in a few vets. I'd love to see them kick the tires on Noah. I know he's injury prone, but the way he competes, he could be really popular in Philadelphia and help close the door on the entitlement culture of the prior regime. I also expect them to bring in a good bona fide NBA point guard. That's essential.

Noah??????? why the **** would we want or need Noah?

1. His career is done
2. A center is the last of our needs?
3. My block list has grown substantially the last few days.

[Chamberlainship]

Should I respond or am I blocked?

1. Noah's not done. He's expected to be ready for next season.
2. I'm not counting on Embiid to give us much. Nerlens could learn some things for a guy like Noah, such as what it's like to compete for minutes.

[the_process]

The Colangelos will screw this up. But as far as vets go, Mario Chalmers as the back up PG would be fine with me.

[PhilasFinest]

If you disagreed with Hinkie's approach then fine I can accept it, but if you're looking for a GM that saves his cap space wisely for that one impact free agent, then I'm afraid that Bryan Colangelo isn't your guy. He's pretty much Billy King 2.0 when it comes to wasting cap space on mediocre free agents.

Sure, He made some bad signings like Landry Fields....but lets not overlook the fact that he also was apart of clearing out a ton of cap space, to sign a superstar Steve Nash via FA.

Just like Hinkie swung for the fences in the NBA draft, I expect the Colangelo's to do the same thing but via trades/FA as well.

Just like Hinkie, they likely wont bat 100%....but all it takes is 1 move to pan out to change a franchise. If we find our Stoudemire, Marion and/or Nash....then our teams future will have changed.

Clear room for a FA signing? Look at the champions of the past 20 years. Warriors, Spurs, Lakers, even the Heat were headlined by (a) guy(s) that were drafted by that same team (Wade, Bryant, Curry/Thompson, Duncan/Ginobili/Parker/Leonard. Yes, those teams had huge FA signings, but those were transcendent talents coming in like LeBron, Shaq, Bosh, etc. not the corpse of Steve Nash. If he's able to sign Durant or a mega star in this league, then go ahrad. Do not spent the massive cap room we have on a 30 year old point guard that's on the downside of his career. I know a lot of Nash's issues on the Lakers were injury related, but he was OLD.

A max contract on a FA should be spent on the intersection of youth and supreme talent.

The Corpse of Steve Nash? Are your serious?

They signed Steve Nash and he went on to win MVP of the entire league twice, and finished 2nd in year 3. Id say that was a worthwhile signing in free agency. I guess that doesnt qualify as a Mega Star signing in the league??

The Suns also added that awful FA Steve Nash to guys they had drafted in Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion....both all star players in there primes.

I guess that doesn't align with the method of adding Shaq to Wade, or LeBron and Bosh to Wade???