Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein

[WVU]

I will be at the game today as I bought these tickets a couple days before Hinkie resigned. Thought about making a sign but am far too lazy

[phiphan]

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[HartfordWhalers]

I will be at the game today as I bought these tickets a couple days before Hinkie resigned. Thought about making a sign but am far too lazy

"Don't screw it up Bryan"

[GiantRobot]

we're fcked. i want a title contender. is brett brown staying?

I think D'Antoni will be promoted to head coach. BB is a Hinkie hire. Dead man walking. I bet every player is hoping to be traded this summer.

As opposed to Okafor not wanting to be drafted here, nor Porzingis right after. I'm in somewhat disbelief looking at the fan base whine about a 10 win GM being fired. The process was just tanking. It's always just been tanking. The Sixers weren't even the worst team 2/3 years despite how advanced the tank was supposed to be. Then they took 3 centers in a row with their top picks. And the players Hinkie wanted in the draft but didn't get have been disappointing to downright awful (Russell, Stauskas). He was the GM for 3 years and the best player on the roster is one he solely took to later trade. The bevy of second rounders he had was squandered, everything was a giant IOU to winning. He was a failure who never even made an attempt to build an NBA starting lineup, he was no genius nor savior.

The process became a cult. You all need deprogramming.

[Ericb5]

we're fcked. i want a title contender. is brett brown staying?

I think D'Antoni will be promoted to head coach. BB is a Hinkie hire. Dead man walking. I bet every player is hoping to be traded this summer.

As opposed to Okafor not wanting to be drafted here, nor Porzingis right after. I'm in somewhat disbelief looking at the fan base whine about a 10 win GM being fired. The process was just tanking. It's always just been tanking. The Sixers weren't even the worst team 2/3 years despite how advanced the tank was supposed to be. Then they took 3 centers in a row with their top picks. And the players Hinkie wanted in the draft but didn't get have been disappointing to downright awful (Russell, Stauskas). He was the GM for 3 years and the best player on the roster is one he solely took to later trade. The bevy of second rounders he had was squandered, everything with was a giant IOU to winning. He was a failure who never even made an attempt to build an NBA starting lineup, he was no genius nor savior.

The process became a cult. You all need deprogramming.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tanking was just one part of the process, and there is no evidence whatsoever that says that Hinkie wanted Russell or Stauskus.


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[Agnostifarian]

I think D'Antoni will be promoted to head coach. BB is a Hinkie hire. Dead man walking. I bet every player is hoping to be traded this summer.

As opposed to Okafor not wanting to be drafted here, nor Porzingis right after. I'm in somewhat disbelief looking at the fan base whine about a 10 win GM being fired. The process was just tanking. It's always just been tanking. The Sixers weren't even the worst team 2/3 years despite how advanced the tank was supposed to be. Then they took 3 centers in a row with their top picks. And the players Hinkie wanted in the draft but didn't get have been disappointing to downright awful (Russell, Stauskas). He was the GM for 3 years and the best player on the roster is one he solely took to later trade. The bevy of second rounders he had was squandered, everything with was a giant IOU to winning. He was a failure who never even made an attempt to build an NBA starting lineup, he was no genius nor savior.

The process became a cult. You all need deprogramming.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tanking was just one part of the process, and there is no evidence whatsoever that says that Hinkie wanted Russell or Stauskus.

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Sam won all of his trades. Grant and Holmes were excellent second round picks. Covington is an NBA player. Okafor and Noel hold good value. MCW turned into the LAL pick. The SAC pick swaps are beautiful. Sam did what he was hired to do. Our owner is the clown ass.

You have no idea how Sam ranked prospects. He never talked. IMO, Sam wouldn't have drafted Russell at #2 for athletic and defensive reasons.

We need a new owner. Thanks for the advice.

[GiantRobot]

Sam won all of his trades.

But did not make a single one that added a substantial player in 3 years <---bad

But all these assets that keep becoming later assets will be used in a cunning way that adds a superstar for sure! Sam just needs another 3-4 years... or whenever the next Lebron is available and the Sixers have the #1 pick.

Grant and Holmes were excellent second round picks.

Two guys who might develop into rotation bigs, consider me not over the moon. Especially when Jordan Clarkson was on the board at the Grant pick.

Covington is an NBA player

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One he jerked around with and got him to sign an awful deal, ensuring he'd not be happy for the 4 years. Master Hinkie, players and agents love him! Can't wait for phase two when free agents are begging to sign here!

Okafor and Noel hold good value.

Cool, the 3rd pick of last year and the 6th pick of 2013 aren't complete piles. Neat.

MCW turned into the LAL pick. The SAC pick swaps are beautiful.

IOUs to assets. Get an asset, swap it for a potential later asset.

Sam did what he was hired to do. Our owner is the clown ass.

You have no idea how Sam ranked prospects. He never talked.

Multiple good reports said the Sixers were targeting those players and even the Sixers went and got the Stauskas pick a year later. But OK, you can lie to yourself.

It was a scam. The Process was a marketing scam contrived by Hinkie to sell him being at the helm of a team perpetually tanking until he got an all world player #1 overall. All the other GMs have to actually work to make something special and aren't given such lenience. Not IOUs. He never showed any ability to BUILD a team or to make a coherent roster or to put actual good players on the team besides the high picks he was getting along the way. Tanking is not off the table for any given year, but there will be actual team building during the middle of it now, like all the other sane teams not run by a Bain Capital scumbag.

[LongLiveHinkie]

"Scumbag" Riiight. A guy you don't even know, who everyone who does know him speaks very highly of him as a person, and you call him a scumbag.

Sorry, but that just takes away any small value your opinions ever had. That shows you have some personal agenda against the guy by insulting his character. If you want to disagree with his philosophies, that's one thing, but to call the guy a scumbag.

You're a joke.

[GiantRobot]

"Scumbag" Riiight. A guy you don't even know, who everyone who does know him speaks very highly of him as a person, and you call him a scumbag.

People who work in venture capital are by nature, scumbags. It's almost in the job description. Spare me the violin act

[LongLiveHinkie]

"Scumbag" Riiight. A guy you don't even know, who everyone who does know him speaks very highly of him as a person, and you call him a scumbag.

People who work in venture capital are by nature, scumbags. It's almost in the job description. Spare me the violin act

A generalization, and a stereotype. No truth to that whatsoever.

Commie.

[Sixerscan]

Are people really still running with the "Hinkie was tanking for job security" line? I think the fact that he got ousted not even 3 years into his tenure shows that there was a lot of risk on his part in putting himself out there like this.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Are people really still running with the "Hinkie was tanking for job security" line? I think the fact that he got ousted not even 3 years into his tenure shows that there was a lot of risk on his part in putting himself out there like this.

The thing about some people is... I don't know the politically correct term, but they just aren't that bright.

[CoreyGallagher]

But did not make a single one that added a substantial player in 3 years <---bad

What qualifies as a substantial player? What substantial players were available? Did other teams trade for them?

But all these assets that keep becoming later assets will be used in a cunning way that adds a superstar for sure! Sam just needs another 3-4 years... or whenever the next Lebron is available and the Sixers have the #1 pick.

Most of those were out of his control - picks not conveying - however most are yielding this season (Heat and Miami picks, coin flip Lakers). You have to have bullets in the chamber to pull the trigger. The assets Hinkie has acquired give us the means to when a target presented itself. Or perhaps we do get lucky enough and players that we draft develop into them.

Two guys who might develop into rotation bigs, consider me not over the moon. Especially when Jordan Clarkson was on the board at the Grant pick.

Gandering at the metrics.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=grantje01&y2=2016&p2=holmeri01&y3=2016&p3=clarkjo01&p4=&p5=&p6=

With hindsight - sure take the backcourt player in the second round, but that doesn't condemn the Grant pick.

One he jerked around with and got him to sign an awful deal, ensuring he'd not be happy for the 4 years. Master Hinkie, players and agents love him! Can't wait for phase two when free agents are begging to sign here!

You're making a lot of baseless assumptions. How did Hinkie jerk him around? Covington didn't have to sign here, another team surely would have given him an opportunity eventually. He chose to sign here because he wanted his break and we gave him that. He's also been given leeway in an effort to expand his repertoire and develop as a player.

McConnell is also an NBA player. I'd wager most of the young guys that have stuck around are probably NBA players in some capacity. Using Sampson as an example - most wouldn't have thought he'd be in the NBA, but he went on to sign with the Nuggets and is now starting and playing considerable minutes for them.

IOUs to assets. Get an asset, swap it for a potential later asset.

How is the Sacramento trade an IOU? Sure, the incentive were the picks, but we didn't really trade anything and actually got back players that contributed for us this season.

Also, we didn't swap an asset for a potential later asset in the MCW trade. We're getting it eventually so there's nothing conditional about it, it's a later asset, but considerably more valuable.

[ET Da Gawd]

As opposed to Okafor not wanting to be drafted here, nor Porzingis right after. I'm in somewhat disbelief looking at the fan base whine about a 10 win GM being fired. The process was just tanking. It's always just been tanking. The Sixers weren't even the worst team 2/3 years despite how advanced the tank was supposed to be. Then they took 3 centers in a row with their top picks. And the players Hinkie wanted in the draft but didn't get have been disappointing to downright awful (Russell, Stauskas). He was the GM for 3 years and the best player on the roster is one he solely took to later trade. The bevy of second rounders he had was squandered, everything with was a giant IOU to winning. He was a failure who never even made an attempt to build an NBA starting lineup, he was no genius nor savior.

The process became a cult. You all need deprogramming.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tanking was just one part of the process, and there is no evidence whatsoever that says that Hinkie wanted Russell or Stauskus.

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Sam won all of his trades. Grant and Holmes were excellent second round picks. Covington is an NBA player. Okafor and Noel hold good value. MCW turned into the LAL pick. The SAC pick swaps are beautiful. Sam did what he was hired to do. Our owner is the clown ass.

You have no idea how Sam ranked prospects. He never talked. IMO, Sam wouldn't have drafted Russell at #2 for athletic and defensive reasons.

We need a new owner. Thanks for the advice.

Boom!!!

[LongLiveHinkie]

But did not make a single one that added a substantial player in 3 years <---bad

What qualifies as a substantial player? What substantial players were available? Did other teams trade for them?

But all these assets that keep becoming later assets will be used in a cunning way that adds a superstar for sure! Sam just needs another 3-4 years... or whenever the next Lebron is available and the Sixers have the #1 pick.

Most of those were out of his control - picks not conveying - however most are yielding this season (Heat and Miami picks, coin flip Lakers). You have to have bullets in the chamber to pull the trigger. The assets Hinkie has acquired give us the means to when a target presented itself. Or perhaps we do get lucky enough and players that we draft develop into them.

Two guys who might develop into rotation bigs, consider me not over the moon. Especially when Jordan Clarkson was on the board at the Grant pick.

Gandering at the metrics.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=grantje01&y2=2016&p2=holmeri01&y3=2016&p3=clarkjo01&p4=&p5=&p6=

With hindsight - sure take the backcourt player in the second round, but that doesn't condemn the Grant pick.

One he jerked around with and got him to sign an awful deal, ensuring he'd not be happy for the 4 years. Master Hinkie, players and agents love him! Can't wait for phase two when free agents are begging to sign here!

You're making a lot of baseless assumptions. How did Hinkie jerk him around? Covington didn't have to sign here, another team surely would have given him an opportunity eventually. He chose to sign here because he wanted his break and we gave him that. He's probably more valuable now having been given this opportunity, Covington would not be >20% usage player on any other team in the league.

McConnell is also an NBA player. I'd wager most of the young guys that have stuck around are probably NBA players in some capacity. Using Sampson as an example - most wouldn't have thought he'd be in the NBA, but he went on to sign with the Nuggets and is now starting and playing considerable minutes for them.

IOUs to assets. Get an asset, swap it for a potential later asset.

How is the Sacramento trade an IOU? Sure, the incentive were the picks, but we didn't really trade anything and actually got back players that contributed for us this season.

Also, we didn't swap an asset for a potential later asset in the MCW trade. We're getting it eventually so there's nothing conditional about it, it's a later asset, but considerably more valuable.

You're wasting your breath. He's a troll, and he thinks the guy is a "scumbag"

[GiantRobot]

What qualifies as a substantial player? What substantial players were available? Did other teams trade for them?

What substantial player, as in, say, a starter, was available in trade in the past 3 years? Gee. This seems intentionally daft in order to draw names to blast in some way or another. Reminds me of the Wilbur Cobb quote

If you want to be a genius, it's easy: All you gotta say is, "Everything stinks." Then, you're never wrong.

lil Sammy sitting on the sidelines not building a team, smugly preening over the rest of the league trying to make itself better. He set up a scam, where, no matter what he does, he gets to be an NBA GM until he gets a Lebron esque player and everyone calls him a genius for doing nothing. The smartest part of "the Process" for sure.

With hindsight - sure take the backcourt player in the second round, but that doesn't condemn the Grant pick.

Someone playing out of position more times than not and likely will never be as good as Clarkson.

You're making a lot of baseless assumptions.

I'm pretty sure baseless assumptions are the bedrock of the Hinkie doctrine of GMing

How did Hinkie jerk him around? Covington didn't have to sign here, another team surely would have given him an opportunity eventually.

Cover all response for basically any time a player gets roped into a bad contract when they're young. Yawn. BTW Zach Lowe on multiple occasions said agents weren't a fan of Hinkie on top of the jerking RoCo around with his deal.

McConnell is also an NBA player.

He's at best, fringe. Midget point guards who can't shoot aren't in demand.

How is the Sacramento trade an IOU? Sure, the incentive were the picks, but we didn't really trade anything and actually got back players that contributed for us this season.

Hey! Player assessment time! Biggest player Hinkie ever traded for was Stauskas, how'd he do?

9.38 per

(heaves into a nearby waste bucket)
He also gave away Thompson, a player legit happy to be in Philly, a goddamn unicorn, for almost nothing. Then later in the season had to sign Elton Brand because the team had no elder leadership and the young kids were imploding. Basking in the glow of that Hinkie genius right now, I really am

[Sixerscan]

I think its fair to say that Hinkie didn't acquire many substantial players during his time here, but it's also ignoring the idea that everything was pretty clearly setting up to acquire those kinds of guys this summer. To let a GM draft an injured player, a guy that's going to play in Europe for two years, trade a ROY for a future lottery pick, trade for two other future first round picks, and then fire the guy right before most of those moves (plus another top 4 pick) were supposed to manifest themselves into actual on court talent is pretty much the definition of pulling rug out on him. Plus they were pretty consistent in saying that they realistically weren't going to get any substantial players in free agency until the practice facility opened at the earliest.

I think most people that look at this seriously realize that wasn't what really happened here. Really, I think Harris and co made the decision that they needed someone else to take over the next step of the rebuild, if only to wash the stink off from the tank. And if Hinkie wanted to stay on, fine, but they were willing to take the risk that he'd very likely leave. I'm sure that they think that Hinkie's skills with coming up with innovative ways to build up long term assets and massage the CBA are less important as you evolve to actually trying to put together something good on the court. (Not that you don't need those abilities, but it's not quite as necessary that they be your president's main attributes)

I feel bad for Sam that he didn't get to finish what he started, but I think he also understands as well as anyone that this is a business and people are only kept around to the extent they are valuable. So I don't necessarily have a problem with Sam getting let go.

I do however have a very real problem with entire gross process that resulted in hiring Colangelo Junior however. Because this makes it seem less like the owners actually went through the thought process I described above (Or even that they thought Hinkie didn't do a good job), and more like Jerry really wanted to get his son another job and he hoodwinked the Sixers into doing it.

[GiantRobot]

I think its fair to say that Hinkie didn't acquire many substantial players during his time here, but it's also ignoring the idea that everything was pretty clearly setting up to acquire those kinds of guys this summer.

Weren't we saying that last year?

Hinkie can line all the ducks up in a row all he wished, but in the mean time when he's practice shooting like Mr Magoo he makes it hard for me to want him still at the helm.

[Negrodamus]

lil Sammy sitting on the sidelines not building a team, smugly preening over the rest of the league trying to make itself better. He set up a scam, where, no matter what he does, he gets to be an NBA GM until he gets a Lebron esque player and everyone calls him a genius for doing nothing. The smartest part of "the Process" for sure.

The interesting thing is that you're pointing this out like it's a flawed process.

Who have been the champions of the past 20 years?

Golden State
Spurs
Heat
Mavericks
Lakers
Celtics
Pistons
Bulls

The Pistons were a scenario that many have tried to replicate and failed in doing so. So taking them out of the equation, you really have 7 of 30 teams. If you look at those teams, you have a massive superstar, or a few massive superstar, on each. Heat had Bosh (drafted 4rd), LeBron (drafted 1st), and Wade (drafted 5th). Spurs had Duncan (drafted 1st). Dirk was drafted 9th. Kobe and Shaq are two of the best all time. Bulls with Jordan. Of course GSW, who hadn't been higher than 8th in the west in 20 years prior to the 2013 season, stockpiled their talent in the draft to form this all time great team.

So, maybe I'm missing something? Hinkie was trying to expedite this process by adding more opportunities to hit a Steph Curry or Draymond Green. I guess that's a bad thing.

There's a weird illusion that Hinkie tanking somehow benefitted him or created some sense of job security for him which is obviously not the case.

[Negrodamus]

Additionally, I love Philly, but it will never be a Miami type destination for FAs. So we will never be able to get 3 top players to cram into our city. It's a hard sell. It was even harder before Hinkie came here.