Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein

[Sixerscan]

I think its fair to say that Hinkie didn't acquire many substantial players during his time here, but it's also ignoring the idea that everything was pretty clearly setting up to acquire those kinds of guys this summer.

Weren't we saying that last year?

I think people at this point thought that Embiid was going to be healthy and at least the Heat pick would convey. Both of which obviously got deferred to this summer, along with the Laker pick and Thunder pick. And Saric was still under contract. (That's 5 things that weren't available last summer which hopefully will be available this summer) Outside of that, I'm not really sure anyone had expectations to land a real free agent or anything until the practice facility opened up.

If they fired Hinkie after Embiid got hurt again or Saric signed an extension in Europe or something, that'd be one thing. Right now it seems like all of his futures bets are about to mature and they're not letting him enjoy the rewards. Which they're allowed to do, it just makes it seem like letting him go has less to do with disapproving of his performance and more what I wrote in my last post.

Or Jerry got them to hire his son.

[PhilasFinest]

Additionally, I love Philly, but it will never be a Miami type destination for FAs. So we will never be able to get 3 top players to cram into our city. It's a hard sell. It was even harder before Hinkie came here.

I agree. Were going to have to draft and/or acquire someone via trade and put them in a good situation to keep them here.

The whole "super team" thing likely wont ever happen here, unless we ended up drafting someone like a LeBron who's skill and star power recruits for itself.

[Hardcore6erFan]

I'm a hardcore Hinkie supporter but I had to post this

[CoreyGallagher]

What substantial player, as in, say, a starter, was available in trade in the past 3 years? Gee. This seems intentionally daft in order to draw names to blast in some way or another.

Substantial is interpretive. What I consider substantial differs from what you do - which is why I asked.

Someone playing out of position more times than not and likely will never be as good as Clarkson.

Grant has played a majority of his minutes at PF. Assuming you just ignored the link? Multiple metrics paint them as having similar impact.

Cover all response for basically any time a player gets roped into a bad contract when they're young.

Generally young players that are susceptible to being roped into such contracts are those yearning for an opportunity.

BTW Zach Lowe on multiple occasions said agents weren't a fan of Hinkie on top of the jerking RoCo around with his deal.

Cite the bit about Covington?

He's at best, fringe. Midget point guards who can't shoot aren't in demand.

He's had an impressive rookie season.

http://bkref.com/tiny/2BL56

Hey! Player assessment time! Biggest player Hinkie ever traded for was Stauskas, how'd he do?

We gave away nothing and got players in return. You mentioned Stauskas and his PER, how about Landry? 22.5 PER...

[sam-hinkie]

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[bondom34]

I figure you guys know I generally got Hinkie's ideas and thought he was screwed. He hadalan and stuck to it, and generally did a very good job, this just sucks. Was lurking Liberty Ballers and lol.


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[XtremeDunkz]

I figure you guys know I generally got Hinkie's ideas and thought he was screwed. He hadalan and stuck to it, and generally did a very good job, this just sucks. Was lurking Liberty Ballers and lol.


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Harris's body language was so bad during the press conference. Makes me happy knowing he hears how hated he is by fans now.

[GiantRobot]

So, maybe I'm missing something? Hinkie was trying to expedite this process by adding more opportunities to hit a Steph Curry or Draymond Green. I guess that's a bad thing.

There's a weird illusion that Hinkie tanking somehow benefitted him or created some sense of job security for him which is obviously not the case.

The Sixers were the only team doing it in such a way where there the team was never required to add actual talent. Hinkie spent 3 years trying to make the worst roster possible and only got the top lottery slot once, so even in the "Advanced tanking" method he failed, and last year the top spot actually got the #1 pick, who turned out to be KAT, an all world, franchise changing player. Even if you think a GM should get an unlimited amount of time and never be scrutinized on the talent he accumulates because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ process, he failed. He failed miserably. A team actively trying to get better STILL got the top draft lottery spot over him and did so with a worse record. You can walk and chew gum. The perpetual "tear down" mode roster is completely unnecessary and gives (or now, gave) Hinkie a blank check to building a team around a player that may never come, all the while smugly soaking in all the "he's a genius!" praise from "smart guys".

[GiantRobot]

I think its fair to say that Hinkie didn't acquire many substantial players during his time here, but it's also ignoring the idea that everything was pretty clearly setting up to acquire those kinds of guys this summer.

Weren't we saying that last year?

I think people at this point thought that Embiid was going to be healthy and at least the Heat pick would convey.

So Embiid being healthy adds what? 2 wins to the win column? Fairly generous considering he plays the same position as the two best players on the roster and would likely play ~15-20 minutes a game coming back from injury. A mid round first rounder would never have been the difference on this roster, especially since the 2015 draft was not a particularly deep draft and Sam Hinkie has not shown himself to be a great talent evaluater.

Or Jerry got them to hire his son.

Who put in place the pieces for a Raptor team going to finish in the mid 50s in the win column this year. And before that put the pieces in place for a team that went on a 5 year title run and finished above 60 wins multiple times, with their highest team core pick being the 9th overall. Gee. How awful.

[GiantRobot]

Grant has played a majority of his minutes at PF. Assuming you just ignored the link? Multiple metrics paint them as having similar impact.

I have no idea what Jerami Grant you were watching but the one I was watching the past two seasons was playing SF and was made to create shots around the perimeter. A complete disaster from a development standpoint. He should be getting bigger, and shooting less 3s.

Full time starter per =/= backup's per. By just by per numbers, Holmes was a better player than Grant, which begs the question... why would Grant playing over him? Also the team has no guards, dumb team building, hurting your assets' value by stacking them up on each other, etc.

Cite the bit about Covington?

Can you cite where I said he said RoCo 's agent? BTW Noel and Okafor's agents having been trying to push them out of town since last summer. Two best players, who play the same position, want out. The Process.

We gave away nothing and got players in return. You mentioned Stauskas and his PER, how about Landry? 22.5 PER...

In 15 minutes a game. Please stop reciting per as if it were the gospel. It has to be contextualized at least.

[Sixerscan]

Weren't we saying that last year?

I think people at this point thought that Embiid was going to be healthy and at least the Heat pick would convey.

So Embiid being healthy adds what? 2 wins to the win column? Fairly generous considering he plays the same position as the two best players on the roster and would likely play ~15-20 minutes a game coming back from injury. A mid round first rounder would never have been the difference on this roster, especially since the 2015 draft was not a particularly deep draft and Sam Hinkie has not shown himself to be a great talent evaluater.

Or Jerry got them to hire his son.

Who put in place the pieces for a Raptor team going to finish in the mid 50s in the win column this year. And before that put the pieces in place for a team that went on a 5 year title run and finished above 60 wins multiple times, with their highest team core pick being the 9th overall. Gee. How awful.

Right that's the point. They weren't in position to make any kind of giant leap last year, and they have significantly more assets maturing this year to draft and trade and were planning on going after free agents when the practice facility opened. Maybe you should read people's entire posts instead of cutting the parts that you don't like?

[Kolkmania]

So, maybe I'm missing something? Hinkie was trying to expedite this process by adding more opportunities to hit a Steph Curry or Draymond Green. I guess that's a bad thing.

There's a weird illusion that Hinkie tanking somehow benefitted him or created some sense of job security for him which is obviously not the case.

The Sixers were the only team doing it in such a way where there team was never required to add actual talent. Hinkie spent 3 years trying to make the worst roster possible and only got the top lottery slot once, so even in the "Advanced tanking" method he failed, and last year the top spot actually got the #1 pick, who turned out to be KAT, an all world, franchise changing player. Even if you think a GM should get an unlimited amount of time and never be scrutinized on the talent he accumulates because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ process, he failed. He failed miserably. A team actively trying to get better STILL got the top draft lottery spot over him and did so with a worse record. You can walk and chew gum. The perpetual "tear down" mode roster is completely unnecessary and gives (or now, gave) Hinkie a blank check to building a team around a player that may never come, all the while smugly soaking in all the "he's a genius!" praise from "smart guys".

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here, but I think you made your point. Sam Hinkie is a scam and Bryan Colangelo is the right person for the job. I even think the majority of the people here do not hate Bryan Colangelo, the whole process of acquiring his dad as chairman of basketball operations and him resigning the moment after Bryan was named president stinks.

[Negrodamus]

So, maybe I'm missing something? Hinkie was trying to expedite this process by adding more opportunities to hit a Steph Curry or Draymond Green. I guess that's a bad thing.

There's a weird illusion that Hinkie tanking somehow benefitted him or created some sense of job security for him which is obviously not the case.

The Sixers were the only team doing it in such a way where there team was never required to add actual talent. Hinkie spent 3 years trying to make the worst roster possible and only got the top lottery slot once, so even in the "Advanced tanking" method he failed, and last year the top spot actually got the #1 pick, who turned out to be KAT, an all world, franchise changing player. Even if you think a GM should get an unlimited amount of time and never be scrutinized on the talent he accumulates because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ process, he failed. He failed miserably. A team actively trying to get better STILL got the top draft lottery spot over him and did so with a worse record. You can walk and chew gum. The perpetual "tear down" mode roster is completely unnecessary and gives (or now, gave) Hinkie a blank check to building a team around a player that may never come, all the while smugly soaking in all the "he's a genius!" praise from "smart guys".

I don't have time to explain Hinkie's plan to someone who doesn't understand it. If you can't see that Embiid being set back a year and Saric having to spend another year in Europe as a reason for delayed gratification, then I don't know what to tell you. Okafor as a rookie wasn't going to help us make the playoffs. Why go on a spending spree when half of our most valued assets aren't even available to play? On top of that, this was the draft where we could conceivably have two top five draft picks.

I've already wasted time enough typing this. If you don't understand, can't help you. If you unconditionally dislike Hinkie and the job he did, go troll another board.

[Embiid P]

Can you cite where I said he said RoCo 's agent? BTW Noel and Okafor's agents having been trying to push them out of town since last summer. Two best players, who play the same position, want out. The Process.

They were also at one point considered to be the consensus number one picks in their respective drafts and easily the best players available when the Sixers picked as was Embiid in the year between them. They all just so happened to play the same position. Also with Embiid's setback last summer, Hinkie thought it was necessary to draft another center for insurance purposes in case he couldn't count on Embiid to stay healthy, hence Okafor.

It was worth a shot to see if Okafor and Noel could effectively play together but thus far it hasn't worked out. Thus I think it's safe to say that at least one or both will be traded this offseason, especially if Embiid is finally cleared to play. However, who's to say that Hinkie wouldn't have traded one of them eventually if he were still GM?

[GiantRobot]

Right that's the point. They weren't in position to make any kind of giant leap last year, and they have significantly more assets maturing this year to draft and trade and were planning on going after free agents when the practice facility opened. Maybe you should read people's entire posts instead of cutting the parts that you don't like?

They don't need to take a giant leap, unless you're signing James/Bosh on top of having a Wade already no one makes a "giant leap", everyone slowly builds and gathers NBA players for trades and for their own team. For all the assets the Sixers supposedly have they've become strange trade partners because they have no one besides the high draft picks to trade. So if a team wants veteran help at X position the Sixers are in no position to make that trade because they weren't even getting player chips along the way. Hinkie tore down the team and kept the part that could be scrutinized marginalized and thrown into "The Process" pile. The Process, the first part where we're advance tanking but still not getting the worst record and gather enemies with GMs we'd need to make deals with to make The Process even happen. And part two where we'd sign high priced free agents on top of our franchise players, except in a competitive atmosphere for these players we'd never get them thanks to many burnt bridges Master Hinkie made with agents and other players.

The Process was over, well over, before it started. And it was really just a scam from the beginning. Sorry.

[tsmith]

Cite the bit about Covington?

Can you cite where I said he said RoCo 's agent? BTW Noel and Okafor's agents having been trying to push them out of town since last summer. Two best players, who play the same position, want out. The Process.

Link? or didnt happen buddy.

[tsmith]

Weren't we saying that last year?

I think people at this point thought that Embiid was going to be healthy and at least the Heat pick would convey.

So Embiid being healthy adds what? 2 wins to the win column? Fairly generous considering he plays the same position as the two best players on the roster and would likely play ~15-20 minutes a game coming back from injury. A mid round first rounder would never have been the difference on this roster, especially since the 2015 draft was not a particularly deep draft and Sam Hinkie has not shown himself to be a great talent evaluater.

Lets just say for example the heat pick conveyed at 12. I could name 12 impacts players from the draft.
How was he shown himself to not be a good talent evaluator? Give some evidence behind your very bold claims.

[Sixerscan]

Right that's the point. They weren't in position to make any kind of giant leap last year, and they have significantly more assets maturing this year to draft and trade and were planning on going after free agents when the practice facility opened. Maybe you should read people's entire posts instead of cutting the parts that you don't like?

They don't need to take a giant leap, unless you're signing James/Bosh on top of having a Wade already no one makes a "giant leap", everyone slowly builds and gathers NBA players for trades and for their own team. For all the assets the Sixers supposedly have they've become strange trade partners because they have no one besides the high draft picks to trade. So if a team wants veteran help at X position the Sixers are in no position to make that trade because they weren't even getting player chips along the way. Hinkie tore down the team and kept the part that could be scrutinized marginalized and thrown into "The Process" pile. The Process, the first part where we're advance tanking but still not getting the worst record and gather enemies with GMs we'd need to make deals with to make The Process even happen. And part two where we'd sign high priced free agents on top of our franchise players, except in a competitive atmosphere for these players we'd never get them thanks to many burnt bridges Master Hinkie made with agents and other players.

The Process was over, well over, before it started. And it was really just a scam from the beginning. Sorry.

I think you might have quoted the wrong person. This isn't a response to my post.

[GiantRobot]

I don't have time to explain Hinkie's plan to someone who doesn't understand it.

If you can't see that Embiid being set back a year and Saric having to spend another year in Europe as a reason for delayed gratification, then I don't know what to tell you.

I can't see the genius of not reaching the cap floor, trades towards building talent not being made, picking 3 centers in a row with your top pick, a 10 win team, not getting the top pick 2/3 years with "advanced tanking" and trading for second rounders at breakneck pace but still somehow not getting any starters from those "assets" and the players that were acquired were all bigs, further stacking up the position and hurting their value.

[Negrodamus]

I don't have time to explain Hinkie's plan to someone who doesn't understand it.

If you can't see that Embiid being set back a year and Saric having to spend another year in Europe as a reason for delayed gratification, then I don't know what to tell you.

I can't see the genius of not reaching the cap floor, trades towards building talent not being made, picking 3 centers in a row with your top pick, a 10 win team, not getting the top pick 2/3 years and trading for second rounders at breakneck pace but still somehow not getting any starters from those "assets".

That's because you can't see past what you're going to have for lunch today.