Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[ET Da Gawd]

People acting as if this draft we shouldn't be drafting all perimeter players


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[Lou_23]

I gotta say I've been surprised with the good vibes BC has given me already. 1st day on the job and he already realized our owner can't swim out of a baby pool. Whether it was Hinkie, JC or BC in charge, this year's draft/FA period was always the most important and I really think BC will impress us. That being said, I'll always believe Hinkie was forced out knowing how important this summer was so now BC can tell FA's "that old losing culture is gone".

I really hope you're right but I have my serious doubts. My breakdown of what has transpired over the past week:

Pros
- The whole spin of "losing culture" is going to die. Whether it be good or bad, BC is going to shake things up and move the team in the direction of winning games and trying to compete for the playoffs
- We are going to try to sign free agents (I believe this was happening with Hinkie so a very slighted pro imo)
- We now have a GM that has great relationships with agents (is this a pro if we see **** overpaid signing like Landry Fields in TOR)

Cons
- Jerry bailed immediately after getting his son the gig. We aren't getting the dynamic duo that led PHX less than a decade ago.. we are getting BC on his own just as it was in TOR.
- Ownership clearly has no clue what they got themselves into. The fans, a good portion of them, feel betrayed and have lost faith in the direction of this franchise.
- We are very unlikely to see Saric in a Sixers uniform. I believe he is one of the first to go as a package in a trade, which is very upsetting to me.
- One of Okafor/Noel will not be here on opening night next season.
- We are going to get butt raped by other GMs as opposed to being the ones doing the dry-thrusting.
- et cetera

Colangelo loves european players, i dont know why people is obsesed with Saric out, we will see

Saric is a modern PF, perfect for small ball

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[spikeslovechild]

I understand now looking back and saying, wow Drummond over ross. But at the time, the Raptors had just invested the 5th pick in Jonas Valanciunas. Obviously they see/saw something in him worth building around....so they went with a hyper athletic perimeter player with a 3point shot to likely try and develop and slide next to DeRozan/Lowry. Obviously it hasn't panned out, but at the time they were obviously looking to fill a need rather than create a log jam at the 5 spot...especially taking into account the known facts that he had wanted Harrison Barnes, who went just 1 pick before them.

In the interview he clearly stated that Toronto had a PG need and SF need. He wanted Lillard or Harrison Barnes, but winning too many games lost them their lottery position and they missed out on those guys. I see nothing wrong with that logic and thinking in the draft.

LaMarcus Aldridge wasn't necessarily some sure fire future star. The Bulls in fact traded him for Tyrus Thomas...so obviously it wasn't like he passed on LeBron James for Darko. Bargnani presented an intriguing combo of size/skill with tremendous upside in a time where Dirk was absolutely tearing up the league. Considering a large portion of that draft is already out of the league, you could argue that the pick wasn't nearly as bad as most of the leagues that year.

Yes there is a problem. You take the better player and if you have to move someone later on down the line then you do so. I really would have liked the host to ask him whether the same thought process would apply to previous drafts. Would he have selected Exum or Smart over Embiid for instance. Would he have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor.

This stuff matters.

Andre Drummond wasn't some surefire stud, so your acting as if he passed on Anthony Davis. They drafted a center, the draft before with the 5th pick. They obviously saw something they liked there and he stayed stashed for the entire year, so they didn't exactly know what they had coming in. How is it a problem trying to build around a draft pick (that hasn't played a game yet) by looking for complimentary players? The same logic that went into taking Ross, is similar to what Indiana did 2 years prior with Paul George.

He may have taken Smart or Gordon or Exum instead of gambling on Embiid. Frankly would our team be any worse right now had that happened? Im as big a Embiid fan there is, but the kid hasn't played a lick of Basketball in 2 years and his future is a seriously cloudy situation.

Maybe he would have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor. OR (if were playing the retrospect game) maybe he would have drafted Porzingis, who compliments Noel/Embiid. Suddenly the shoes on the other foot.

He was the best player on the board by far. He was projected to be a top five pick even top three before the draft.

[OAKLEY_2]

Yes there is a problem. You take the better player and if you have to move someone later on down the line then you do so. I really would have liked the host to ask him whether the same thought process would apply to previous drafts. Would he have selected Exum or Smart over Embiid for instance. Would he have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor.

This stuff matters.

Andre Drummond wasn't some surefire stud, so your acting as if he passed on Anthony Davis. They drafted a center, the draft before with the 5th pick. They obviously saw something they liked there and he stayed stashed for the entire year, so they didn't exactly know what they had coming in. How is it a problem trying to build around a draft pick (that hasn't played a game yet) by looking for complimentary players? The same logic that went into taking Ross, is similar to what Indiana did 2 years prior with Paul George.

He may have taken Smart or Gordon or Exum instead of gambling on Embiid. Frankly would our team be any worse right now had that happened? Im as big a Embiid fan there is, but the kid hasn't played a lick of Basketball in 2 years and his future is a seriously cloudy situation.

Maybe he would have selected Mudiay or Hezonja over Okafor. OR (if were playing the retrospect game) maybe he would have drafted Porzingis, who compliments Noel/Embiid. Suddenly the shoes on the other foot.

He was the best player on the board by far. He was projected to be a top five pick even top three before the draft.

Drummond dropping to eighth and into Colangelo's lap was divine providence but it was the umteenth attempted ressurection of 13 games Bargnani that negated Drummond not JV's development as reported. I am not entirely sure JV was even coming over when they selected Ross. That was still to be worked out. Bargnani was always about to turn a corner so why mess it up taking an 18 year old man child like Drummond? They interviewed Drummond and by all accounts he did really well but the Bargs love (translation: salvage some perceived trade value)'was too strong so reaching for analytics beast and little kid T-Ross it was...

[76ers 2020]

Drummond kinda sucked at UConn, no?

A classic was when he was interviewed pre draft. He was asked what kind of player do you see yourself as? He answered Kevin Durant. This after shooting 29% on his free throws in his only year of college.

[bwgood77]

Who do people here want if you drop to #3? I wonder if Colangelo would be hesitant to take Bender because of Bargs and because of all the bigs on the roster and Saric already.

Do people here have preference between Dunn, Murray and Hield?

[LongLiveHinkie]

I'd lean slightly to Hield, because I think he has the biggest chance of being a big-time NBA scorer, but I'm not super confident in that.

[PhilasFinest]

Who do people here want if you drop to #3? I wonder if Colangelo would be hesitant to take Bender because of Bargs and because of all the bigs on the roster and Saric already.

Do people here have preference between Dunn, Murray and Hield?

Id rather any of those 3 over Bender.

[Moses_Doc_83]

Drummond kinda sucked at UConn, no?

A classic was when he was interviewed pre draft. He was asked what kind of player do you see yourself as? He answered Kevin Durant. This after shooting 29% on his free throws in his only year of college.

Murray would be my choice at 3 if I had to make it. I would explore trading up or trading out if the pick drops to 3 and the Laker pick doesn't convey.

[sixers23]

Who do people here want if you drop to #3? I wonder if Colangelo would be hesitant to take Bender because of Bargs and because of all the bigs on the roster and Saric already.

Do people here have preference between Dunn, Murray and Hield?

bender is by far the 3rd best prospect but i doubt the owners would allow that selection

[agiaco]

Who do people here want if you drop to #3? I wonder if Colangelo would be hesitant to take Bender because of Bargs and because of all the bigs on the roster and Saric already.

Do people here have preference between Dunn, Murray and Hield?

Dunn or Murray, pretty close to equal. Hield is Marcus Smart to me.

[howiezbt]

Hield can kill it from deep. I would take him at 3 and Dunn at 4. Either way we are getting huge talent on the perimiter. Also, a players is going to shoot up draft boards so we may have another guy to talk about.

[jcsunsfan]

I will forgive Jerry and Bryan if they give me this -

PG: Shroeder, Mcconnell
SG: Batum, Stauskas
SF: Simmons, Covington
PF: Jah, Saric
C: Noel, Embiid

Nothing crazy. Simple moves like that would go a long way. But I feel like they are going to try something a lot more drastic and I am going to hate it.

agreed that they are going to try something drastic. I think Okafor is gone.

If Colangelo's tenure in TOR/PHX is any indication, I'd definitely say Okafor is gone. His bigs are usually mobile and work well in fast breaks: Bosh, Stoudemire, Marion, etc. He even goes small ball with guys like James Johnson.

With that said, I think there will have to be adjustments. Embiid could be a Stoudamire/Bosh type talent, or better. Only time will tell. Nerlens cannot play the Marion role of being a stretch 4 with elite defense. He's only half of that equation. Should be interesting to see what he does with him, especially with his next contract looming.

Covington will probably be here to stay since he definitely fits the mold of undersized PF in that 7 seconds or less offense.

Ben Simmons would be great if he could shoot a lick. The quicker the offense can get initiated, the better. Unfortunately, he can't really shoot or defend (which might not matter anyway if we are going to be one of those teams putting up 130 points a night). I think Ingram might have to be the choice there and maybe trade up for a Valentine with the OKC and Heat picks.

Saric is perfect for this type of offense and, to be honest, Simmons would be a bit redundant with Saric. Not saying Saric is the same prospect, but they are both PFs that can initiate the break. I'm not even thinking in terms of ISOs and halfcourt offense.

The main question, which will probably be hastily decided, is the PG position. Need to pass and pass well. That's why I suggested Rondo earlier. Get him with some shooters on the perimeter and run the P&R with Embiid and there's your offense.

Of course, none of this really gels with Brett Brown's philosophy. I mean, we ran uptempo, but Brown's emphasis is defense and this is the antithesis of defense. Luckily we'll have some depth, presumably, next season so we don't run our players to death.

All of this is under the assumption that Colangelo is going to repeat history and try to implement a D'Antoni scheme. Conveniently, we have D'Antoni on our sidelines! Brown must not feel any job security stress at all.

As a Phoenix Suns fan since 1976 and a Jerry Colangelo fan for years, this post is dead on. I am not as impressed with Bryan. He did OK. Nothing spectacular. He does love international players in the draft it seems.

For those of you who think he will trade Okafor? Yes, I think that is what he would do.
For those of you who think Bryan would love Saric? Yes.
Pass first pg a priority? Yes.

You have it pretty well. Good luck.

[spikeslovechild]

Knight
Booker
Bob
Saric
Embiid

Would be so dope. Can't we just trade Okafor for Booker?

Booker is so overrated by this board. I don't understand the fascination with the dude.

[spikeslovechild]

Who do people here want if you drop to #3? I wonder if Colangelo would be hesitant to take Bender because of Bargs and because of all the bigs on the roster and Saric already.

Do people here have preference between Dunn, Murray and Hield?

bender is by far the 3rd best prospect but i doubt the owners would allow that selection

You almost have to select Bender though. There is too much of a dropoff not to. Maybe, some team like Boston falls in love with the pick and throws you an insane offer or you could trade it for a young upcoming player.

I dunno but it would suck. It simmons or Ingram.

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As a huge Hinkie fan I was actually impressed with Bryan @ the press conference today

Hey, he is a competent and experienced GM. There is no doubt about that.

My problems with him are that his track record is doing exactly what we were doing for the decade before Hinkie. Sure it CAN work, but it still isn't the best way to rebuild.

HInkie restocked the shelves tremendously and BC will benefit. I trusted Hinkie's judgement perfectly. Bryan will have to earn my trust.

I'll obviously be rooting for him to kick ass. If we win the lottery and/or Embiid can stay healthy then it will be hard NOT to turn us into contenders.


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BC will do a nice job in Philly. He is incredibly intelligent and has a great eye for talent. He made mistakes in Toronto for sure, but he did a lot of good before he left and was on the right track. Starting the re-build, he brought in Casey, drafted JV, got a steal for Lowry (#12 pick), and oversaw the progression of Demar. Bargs was on his way out anyway before Masai was brought in.

Give him 2 top 5 picks in this years draft, he will make the right selections and lay the foundation for many years down the road.

[Gsraider]

I have seen enough of the D'Antoni scheme in NY and LA that I can only hope to never see it in Philly. Some of the worst defense I have ever seen. It will make this year's Sixers since the AS break look like the Bad Boy Pistons.

[bwgood77]

Hield can kill it from deep. I would take him at 3 and Dunn at 4. Either way we are getting huge talent on the perimiter. Also, a players is going to shoot up draft boards so we may have another guy to talk about.

That could have the makings of a dynamic fun backcourt. Some Suns fans would LOVE that...many want us to end up with Hield or Dunn even if Bender is available.

I suppose some want Brown too, and I forgot to mention him as a possibility if you drop to 3. Murray is probably the prospect least liked by Suns fans...probably because he seems like a SG they want to turn into a PG, and we already have to live with the Knightmare...plus we already have 4 one year Kentucky guards. Enough is enough. Hield seems more like a pure 2 and Dunn a pure 1 (but Hield will still get teammates involved and Dunn can score as well).

[bwgood77]

Who do people here want if you drop to #3? I wonder if Colangelo would be hesitant to take Bender because of Bargs and because of all the bigs on the roster and Saric already.

Do people here have preference between Dunn, Murray and Hield?

Dunn or Murray, pretty close to equal. Hield is Marcus Smart to me.

Hield and Smart seem like opposites. Smart was all defense needing to learn to shoot. Learning to shoot is the last thing Hield needs.

[spikeslovechild]

I have seen enough of the D'Antoni scheme in NY and LA that I can only hope to never see it in Philly. Some of the worst defense I have ever seen. It will make this year's Sixers since the AS break look like the Bad Boy Pistons.

The problem with D'Antoni is the roster doesn't fit his scheme at all.