Race for 8 seed in NBA is a joke.

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Re: Race for 8 seed in NBA is a joke. 

Post#81 » by boomershadow » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:48 pm

BNelley24 wrote:
boomershadow wrote:Before the whole "championships are the only thing that matters" mentality, there was this thing called rooting for your team to do the best that it can.

There can only be one trophy winner, but all 29 other teams can hope to work on getting better, reach some of their potential, achieve a goal, and at least put up a fight even if they lose.


Not going to convince me. Of course I root for my team. I will always be a 76ers fan even if they went 0-82 for 20 straight seasons. They represent my city. However, how can you be so blind as to not see the total scam the league owners pull when they get to make the playoffs & get more $ with an undeserving p.o.s. team.


By the "just a treadmill team" logic, the Warriors should have traded their players and tanked after losing in the first round in 2014. There's no way you can go from that to winning a championship the next year? Right?
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Post#82 » by Joe Buddy » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:27 pm

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BNelley24 wrote:What is the point? Race for the 8 seed to earn some extra revenue for the team? In the NBA, unlike EVERY other pro sports league, the low seeds have 0.0% chance to win the NBA title. So what is the point? It is what I, as a 76ers fan, endured for almost a decade. We were perennially a low playoff seed and wasted our time in the playoffs. All it did was hurt us as a franchise as our draft picks sucked. We stagnated and had no hope as a franchise.

Give me some reasons to give a damn & try to help me see why 8 seeds in the NBA isn't just a scam by the NBA to make more $? Yes, of course most of you will point out the few 1st round upsets, but when it comes down to it that didn't mean jack $&@#^ because those teams didn't win the title.

I truly wish the NBA reduced the # of playoff teams from 16 to 8.

4 on each side. It would make the regular season more meaningful and would bring the 8 teams that legitimately had a shot to win the title. Of course the chances of this happening are the same as me going on a date with Mia Khalifa tonight...Let's hear it. Convince me to give 2 ****.

You are absolutely right. I'm sure the last 4 years as a 76ers fan was much more entertaining.


Actually, yes they have been! That is what people on this forum who don't like/understand the Hinkie method don't get. I would 1000000% take the 76ers team of the last 3 years over the waste of playoff years of the 2000s. While we suck, it is fun to see the young guys & to see the potential of the future. That is a major problem of the NBA. What is the difference between winning 40 games & losing in the first round & winning 10 games? Both = no title, except the 10 win team has 100% better chance to get a franchise changing player in the off-season.


A 100% better chance to get a franchise changing player? It's been 3 years, I see no "franchise changing player" on the 76ers roster.

The real major problem of the NBA is a team like yours, who convinces (brainwashes?) their fans into thinking losing as many games as possible is the right and/or only way to build a winner. Hence why the league stepped in and put an end to it.

But keep trusting the process.
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Post#83 » by kvash37 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:33 pm

When it comes to the 76ers I don't disagree with their idea of rebuilding through the draft.

The problem is the execution of that idea. It got them 3 centers that can't play effectively together, one may never play at all.
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Post#84 » by thejigglyroom » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:15 pm

Rupert Murdoch wrote:People are making fun of the OP but he is 100% right. Oakland A's GM Billy Beane once made the comment that "Your team either has to be rebuilding for something special or be on the verge of something special.To be in between is foolish." Being an 8th seed in the playoffs with no franchise player in place is completely pointless. A team needs to either have a franchise player in place or draft very high in the lottery to get a franchise player. If they don't, they'll never win a championship. They'll never be on the verge of being something special. Sure, the Spurs were able to land Kawhi Leonard at 15 but that was a once in a blue moon type thing. It'll be a while before another player of that caliber comes along who is available that late in the draft.



The A's haven't done jack since Billy has been there. I guess they've been "rebuilding for something special" for almost 20 years. :banghead:
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Post#85 » by matt6715 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:18 pm

OP is the kind of guy who plays Franchise mode in NBA2K and simulates all the games to get back to the offseason.
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Post#86 » by choppermagic » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:27 pm

People forget how teams normally win championships.

They build chemistry together. They face the playoffs and perhaps lose but get experience and fight battles. The next year, they might go further, etc. and learn more. Then they break through or fail to reach the top of the mountain and rebuild.

Getting to the playoffs and losing to a top tier team is still good experience for up and coming teams and gives fan bases hope for the future.

and of course, entertainment. Anything can still happen.
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Post#87 » by Jadoogar » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:28 pm

This is the stupid mentality Hinkie has perpuated. None of this matters, it's guys throwing a ball through a hoop. We watch because it's enjoyable. Obviously a championship is great but there is fun in watching a playoff team every year. By your logic, the Mavs should have blown it up. They kept making the playoffs but weren't really threats to win the title. Even the year they ended up winning, a lot of people perdicted them to lose in the first round and everyone assumed Miami would destroy them. This is why the games are played, otherwise just do a simulation in 2K and watch the results. Should the Suns have blown it up when they kept losing in the playoffs? No Suns fan is going to tell you that they rather wanted to watch the Sixers-esque disaster rather than those Nash led Suns teams.

I'm not saying there aren't reasons to blow up a team but just keep hitting the reset button is just as pointless as repeatedly losing in the first round. You say it's rare for a team to go from 8th seed to championship, but it's far more likely that turning a 10 win team into a contender.
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Post#88 » by immortalone23 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:30 pm

Isn't there a difference between a team like the 2009 OKC Thunder and the late 2000s Milwaukee Bucks? The Thunder were a high potential team with a lot of room to grow. There's a difference between them and a team with no young talent and assets filled with vets and a young team that needs playoff experience to get better.
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Post#89 » by NBARocks » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:39 pm

better playoff scheme would be to make the 1st round a round robin stage, home and away format vs each team. top 4 teams in each conference advances to round 2 wherein we revert back to knock out stage format, 7 games, 1 vs 4, and 2 vs 3.
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Post#90 » by smallgains » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:54 pm

Why would the league and it's owners want less playoff games? So they could earn less money? The NBA is a business. That's all it is.
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Post#91 » by Left*My*Heart » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:58 pm

zeebneeb wrote:This is why the first round used to be 5 games.

I honestly believe the first round should be three games, the second 5, and the last 2 rounds 7 games.

All 7 games series for each round is absurd.

Too many upsets that hurt the league's TV ratings, butt hurt teams that got upset complained it was unfair and TV revenue.

I agree with you; three games the first round, five the second and the last two seven games.

I'm surprised teams haven't complained about the long layoffs because of the 7 game first round. If you sweep your first round opponent, you could wait a week for your next opponent if they go to 7 games.
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Post#92 » by Left*My*Heart » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:07 pm

Joe Buddy wrote:
BNelley24 wrote:
DiscoLives4ever wrote:You are absolutely right. I'm sure the last 4 years as a 76ers fan was much more entertaining.


Actually, yes they have been! That is what people on this forum who don't like/understand the Hinkie method don't get. I would 1000000% take the 76ers team of the last 3 years over the waste of playoff years of the 2000s. While we suck, it is fun to see the young guys & to see the potential of the future. That is a major problem of the NBA. What is the difference between winning 40 games & losing in the first round & winning 10 games? Both = no title, except the 10 win team has 100% better chance to get a franchise changing player in the off-season.


A 100% better chance to get a franchise changing player? It's been 3 years, I see no "franchise changing player" on the 76ers roster.

The real major problem of the NBA is a team like yours, who convinces (brainwashes?) their fans into thinking losing as many games as possible is the right and/or only way to build a winner. Hence why the league stepped in and put an end to it.

But keep trusting the process.

There needs to be more incentive for teams to win, than trying to lose to get the top pick in the draft. I don't know what the answer is, but the system is flawed, when you award a team for losing. It would never happen, but I would like to see a team like the 76ers be punished for poor management. Yes, they played the system to get the top picks in the draft the past 3 seasons, but what do they have to show for it? There should be a limit on ineptness. The league has stepped in and hopefully things will change, but 76ers used to be one of the NBA icons and now there like an expansion team.

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Post#93 » by I_Like_Dirt » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:08 pm

Frank Dux wrote:The team I follow has a chance to win the lottery, but I would trade it to watch a respectable team. This tanking nonsense is ruining the sport. You should always play to win. I'm starting to hope that the 76ers plan blows up so it will be a cautionary tale to future gms who consider Hinkie's plan of fielding a D-League roster for years to position for top draft picks. It's not a good look for a team, the fans, and the league.


You know what, I agree with you especially on the bolded part. The problem here is the league clearly has an issue. Sports is entertainment, nothing more, but the league has been in the business of marketing stars, is involved in a sport that tends to favor stars, and has created a system that massively advantages teams with the best players by virtue of a max contract.

See, the problem here is that the argument of those both for and against Hinkie is that, for the most part, they aren't actually mutually exclusive. Hinkie and the Sixers were a symptom, not the diseason. Hinkie gets all the criticism, but the Lakers have been right there with him tanking the past 3 seasons and nobody seems to care because they throw out distractions that make people avoid admitting the obvious truth of what they're doing.

This isn't on the Sixers to fix. It's on the league to fix. And the sad thing is that the league sent in a hatchet man rather than actually looking in the mirror to fix its own rules to avoid this kind of strategy. Get rid of max contracts while maintaining the relatively strict cap with a max of 4 year contracts in place right now and tanking loses its value in a hurry, because if you draft the next Durant, you're paying him $70 million per season in 4 years time. Have max contracts and miniscule rookie scale contracts and tiny MLEs that aren't even tied to the average player salary anymore and is a drop in the bucket at this point, and you're basically forcing teams that aren't contenders to choose between tanking, or spending all their money massively overpaying what rare unrestricted free agents are out there willing to take the money from a non-contender in the hopes of not tanking, but they still might anyway.

So really, there are valid points on both sides, but blame directed at Hinkie and the Sixers is woefully misplaced and should absolutely be directed at the league itself. Publicly the league hasn't particularly been supportive of tanking, but their actions and rules clearly demonstrate that they absolutely want tanking around. They tried to change the lottery odds and all the teams that have successfully tanked in the past cried foul and rallied to keep their ability to tank. The owners held a bitter lockout quite some time ago already in order to win max contracts on star players. The NBA has been actively working to keep and restrict rookies' pay and has also limited the MLE as a tool. All of this severely restricts any means of teams to actually build their team but through the draft and encourages tanking about as much as it can be encouraged short of having the draft determined directly by order of finish.
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Post#94 » by Tukkerwolf » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:24 pm

Every time I read through threads like these I am amazed by the difference in sports-perception between the US-fans and those in the rest of the World. A lot of fans here appear to perceive everything besides winning a title as a deception, which comes across as very weird for me as a European. I'm not sure whether it's due to the more competitive, liberal nature of US-society or because sports (ironically) is set up extremely socialistic in the US, with drafts and salary caps.. For instance, a European football fan from a smaller team could celebrate a 5th place as a title, without worrying about never winning an actual championship. And I would have preferred the Wolves to have been swept by the Warriors in the first round over another **** draft pick any day. Even if KAT hadn't been on the roster.
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Post#95 » by Joe Buddy » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:27 pm

Left*My*Heart wrote:
Joe Buddy wrote:
BNelley24 wrote:
Actually, yes they have been! That is what people on this forum who don't like/understand the Hinkie method don't get. I would 1000000% take the 76ers team of the last 3 years over the waste of playoff years of the 2000s. While we suck, it is fun to see the young guys & to see the potential of the future. That is a major problem of the NBA. What is the difference between winning 40 games & losing in the first round & winning 10 games? Both = no title, except the 10 win team has 100% better chance to get a franchise changing player in the off-season.


A 100% better chance to get a franchise changing player? It's been 3 years, I see no "franchise changing player" on the 76ers roster.

The real major problem of the NBA is a team like yours, who convinces (brainwashes?) their fans into thinking losing as many games as possible is the right and/or only way to build a winner. Hence why the league stepped in and put an end to it.

But keep trusting the process.


There needs to be more incentive for teams to win, than trying to lose to get the top pick in the draft. I don't know what the answer is, but the system is flawed, when you award a team for losing. It would never happen, but I would like to see a team like the 76ers be punished for poor management. Yes, they played the system to get the top picks in the draft the past 3 seasons, but what do they have to show for it? There should be a limit on ineptness. The league has stepped in and hopefully things will change, but 76ers used to be one of the NBA icons and now there like an expansion team.

I don't have answers, but I like to complain.


Well they did get Bryan Colangelo :lol: That should be punishment enough.
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Post#96 » by JDizzel3000 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:29 pm

Kevin Johnson wrote:I HATE the we're treadmill so let's tank argument. Not everyone can win. There have been some great 8 seed upsets. Denver vs Seattle was awesome. So was Dubs vs Mavs.

According to your argument might as well tank if you're going to be the 4th seed or lower.

Of the 66 NBA champions, 64 of them were either a No. 1 seed (47), a No. 2 seed (10) or a No. 3 seed (7).

They weren't going to win anything but watching a young Jordan taking on a legendary Celtics team was awesome to watch.


Being a perennial 8th seed =\= being a team thats progressing and devolving at number 8


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Post#97 » by JDizzel3000 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:33 pm

immortalone23 wrote:Isn't there a difference between a team like the 2009 OKC Thunder and the late 2000s Milwaukee Bucks? The Thunder were a high potential team with a lot of room to grow. There's a difference between them and a team with no young talent and assets filled with vets and a young team that needs playoff experience to get better.

Pretty much
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Post#98 » by shmoosicle » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:36 pm

zeebneeb wrote:This is why the first round used to be 5 games.

I honestly believe the first round should be three games, the second 5, and the last 2 rounds 7 games.

All 7 games series for each round is absurd.

A shorter series introduces more randomness and makes it more likely the lower seed will win though.
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Post#99 » by boomershadow » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:42 pm

shmoosicle wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:This is why the first round used to be 5 games.

I honestly believe the first round should be three games, the second 5, and the last 2 rounds 7 games.

All 7 games series for each round is absurd.

A shorter series introduces more randomness and makes it more likely the lower seed will win though.


I think that's part of the point. The games would matter more.
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Post#100 » by immortalone23 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:49 pm

JDizzel3000 wrote:
immortalone23 wrote:Isn't there a difference between a team like the 2009 OKC Thunder and the late 2000s Milwaukee Bucks? The Thunder were a high potential team with a lot of room to grow. There's a difference between them and a team with no young talent and assets filled with vets and a young team that needs playoff experience to get better.

Pretty much

Lol I don't understand how people don't get that. When stats guys say you don't go from bad to good, obviously you have to be mediocre... you don't go from terrible to 4th seed, it's usually 7th or 8th seed then to the top of the conference. That's for a young team not the current Dallas Mavericks.
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