Roy Hibbert - A new level of awful

[Slava]

Dock has been posting this 5 man unit stat periodically during the game threads but I thought this dude deserved his own thread to bring attention to how truly awful he has been even on a God awful team.

Over the course of the season:

Lakers net offensive rating with Hibbert: 97.5 Without: 105.4 Net: -7.9

In summary Lakers' offense would rank 20th in the league without Hibbert and worst in the league with Hibbert.

Lakers defensive rating with Hibbert: 115.4 Without: 108.6 Net: 6.8

The defense would rank 23rd in the league without Hibbert and worst in the league with him in the line up. The team is overall better to the tune of 14.7 points per 100 possessions without Hibbert in the line up.

If you look at the top 5 man units, the starting line up of Russell/Kobe/Clarkson/Randle/Hibbert has a net rating of -23.9 and logged the most minutes (500+) for the season, the same unit with Brandon Bass in place of Hibbert has a net rating of +10.8 having logged no more than 90 minutes.

To mix awful and awful the 2 man unit of Kobe and Hibbert has the worst net rating on the team at -21.8 and infact 5 of the 6 worst 2 man units featured by the Lakers this season involve Hibbert, basically suggesting that he is not compatible with any single player within the team.

If you go by RPM for centers, Hibbert is ranked 72/77 alongside Okafor, Miles Plumlee, Tyler Zeller and his own half brother in despair, Mozgov.

I highly doubt he has a role in the NBA going forward, which is a precipitous fall considering he was a legit DOPY candidate not so long ago. I hope for once the Lakers find a solution in free agency rather than patch up with another awful center after having to suffer through consecutive seasons of a checked-out Gasol, Jordan Hill and Hibbert while letting Ed Davis walk.

[DTouch]

This is why i laughed at those thought roy just needed a change of scenery to get back to his peak. Dudes a sloth who benefited from a solid defending indy team. He was not the main reason indy was goid on d, he anchored it but pg, hill, west and lesder extent lance were all solud defenders. We have no good defenders thus making roy even worse

[Kilroy]

DPoY = PEDs? I wonder... It's been a pretty steep decline since that season.

[DTouch]

DPoY = PEDs? I wonder... It's been a pretty steep decline since that season.

I thought he declined immediately after that season

[DTouch]

DPoY = PEDs? I wonder... It's been a pretty steep decline since that season.

I thought he declined immediately after that season

[TylersLakers]

He was good in pre-season and good the first week or two. After that: Absolutely horrendous.

In my opinion, Robert Upshaw should have been brought to the Lakers after the trade deadline and Hibbert should have been released. Instead, a new drug test came out in March and he was released from the D-Fenders. I said numerous amounts of times, even having Upshaw on the inactive list but travelling with the team would have been beneficial to him off the court.

[Wavy Q]

you will never convince me that Robert Upshaw was the answer, with all his drug issues and the issue of not actually being that good.

Hibbert is a flaming pile of trash that i don't want to see in a Laker uniform ever again.

[crazyeights]

He was good in pre-season and good the first week or two. After that: Absolutely horrendous.

In my opinion, Robert Upshaw should have been brought to the Lakers after the trade deadline and Hibbert should have been released. Instead, a new drug test came out in March and he was released from the D-Fenders. I said numerous amounts of times, even having Upshaw on the inactive list but travelling with the team would have been beneficial to him off the court.

Horribly flawed logic there about Upshaw. The guy needs a lot of help if he can't take a 4th chance seriously.

[DTouch]

I dont want to offend anyone here who had positive outlook on hibbert trade but me personally i thought mgmt insulted alot of fans intelligence selling roy as some sort of game changer when trade went down.....its almost comparable to lance stephenson trade, cha couldn't trade him fast enough and took garbabe in themselves but were still probably happy trade happened.

[Levity]

to me, hibbert is serviceable on a team that actually plays team defense. the lakers know nothing about that. hes a big oaf who lacks quickness. so asking him to cover all the defensive lapses (our nonexistent perimeter D) our team commits is just asking for trouble. but for the most part, hes in the right spots at the right time; has a legit defensive IQ.

pair him with a good rebounding 4 (dude focuses on boxing out like marc gasol) and a team that understands team defense, and he should be fine addition. IE: celtics, bucks, spurs

his last year with Indy, they were injury ridden and not even playoff quality in the east. but he did start that season in an all-star form (offense and defense). but like his whole career, he only gives you that for 30% of the season.

is he a starter in this league still? maaaaybe on the right team. but off the bench, he can certainly be a useful piece.

[Slava]

to me, hibbert is serviceable on a team that actually plays team defense. the lakers know nothing about that. hes a big oaf who lacks quickness. so asking him to cover all the defensive lapses (our nonexistent perimeter D) our team commits is just asking for trouble. but for the most part, hes in the right spots at the right time; has a legit defensive IQ.

pair him with a good rebounding 4 (dude focuses on boxing out like marc gasol) and a team that understands team defense, and he should be fine addition. IE: celtics, bucks, spurs

his last year with Indy, they were injury ridden and not even playoff quality in the east. but he did start that season in an all-star form (offense and defense). but like his whole career, he only gives you that for 30% of the season.

is he a starter in this league still? maaaaybe on the right team. but off the bench, he can certainly be a useful piece.

The Pacers' relative defensive rating has improved since last season and with Hibbert, they were elite for 2 seasons when most of the team was healthy and their perimeter defense was quite good with PG and Hill. They slotted in Mahinmi for Hibbert this year and did not lose much if anything at all.

Mahinmi's defensive stats were mirror image of Hibbert's when he was the back up so this combined by the Celtics' defense this season suggests that elite perimeter defenders are probably more impactful with a big who can hedge or ice and recover on pick and rolls than a lumbering big who can alter shots at the basket and not do much else.

[Penberthy]

He was good in pre-season and good the first week or two. After that: Absolutely horrendous.

In my opinion, Robert Upshaw should have been brought to the Lakers after the trade deadline and Hibbert should have been released. Instead, a new drug test came out in March and he was released from the D-Fenders. I said numerous amounts of times, even having Upshaw on the inactive list but travelling with the team would have been beneficial to him off the court.

Yes, having him in the same hotel room with swaggy and russell would have be great.

[Crooked-I]

Biggest waste of space i've ever seen. I enjoyed watching him get pushed around by Steven Adams yesterday it was hilarious. He's just way too slow to be in the NBA, I doubt he's in the league next year.

[The Skyhook]

I really hope we can get a big that can contribute in free agency. Doesn't have to be a superstar but we desperately need someone who can actually contribute while he's out on the floor.

[TylersLakers]

He was good in pre-season and good the first week or two. After that: Absolutely horrendous.

In my opinion, Robert Upshaw should have been brought to the Lakers after the trade deadline and Hibbert should have been released. Instead, a new drug test came out in March and he was released from the D-Fenders. I said numerous amounts of times, even having Upshaw on the inactive list but travelling with the team would have been beneficial to him off the court.

Yes, having him in the same hotel room with swaggy and russell would have be great.

Can't argue with that. Touché.

[TheHartBreakKid]

I don't see any possible way Hibbert is anything but terrible. No offensive skills, slows down the pace, defense is nothing like it used to be, and anything positive he does protecting the rim is negated by his complete crap rebounding. His floor spacing consists of taking long two's at a (I haven't checked this, but from the eye test) mediocre rate, hurts transition defense, etc etc. Honestly, for a season like this, Tarik Black should be getting all center minutes and padding his stats, but maybe Byron is such a tanking genius that he's saving the Lakers from having to give Tarik a relatively large contract.


I liked the Hibbert trade when it happend....a good consolation low risk move without hurting the future. But around half way through the season, I wanted him traded. Now I won't blame that on the FO, because I'm sure they tried, and no one really wants Hibbert at his current contract, but we could have atleast worked out a buy out.

[ArC_man]

He was good in pre-season and good the first week or two. After that: Absolutely horrendous.

In my opinion, Robert Upshaw should have been brought to the Lakers after the trade deadline and Hibbert should have been released. Instead, a new drug test came out in March and he was released from the D-Fenders. I said numerous amounts of times, even having Upshaw on the inactive list but travelling with the team would have been beneficial to him off the court.

Yes, having him in the same hotel room with swaggy and russell would have be great.

Maybe D'Lo would've been too high to save the video, Swaggy would be even more incomprehensible.

[dockingsched]

I appreciate the effort that he plays with night in and night out but he's terrible. Not his fault just the way it is. I'd love to hear Scott justify how Hibbert started each game he played.

It's actually incredibly unfair that DLo and Clarkson had to play their pnr game with out there and Randle had to get the paint clogged cause Roy can't spread the floor.

[Laker_Kid]

Roy is a good presence in the lockerroom, nowhere else. I had hopes for him, but his time as a premiere center in the league is long gone. I might almost choose Sacre over him.

[Mirjalovic]

He's the weakest 7'2 footer ever.

but he actually decently skilled and plays good defense when he's not tired. The problem is he is always tired and has rock hands.