Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein

[PhilasFinest]

Grant has been playing the bulk of his minutes at power forward, not sure why dude keeps arguing that he's played more at small forward.

ALOT of those minutes have came down the last half the season due to injuries.

Initially he was playing more 3, and it wasn't exactly pretty. Now due to the injury to Okafor and missed time of Noel, He has gone back to playing the 4....where he seems much more comfortable.

[Resistance]

I think that he caught quite a few minutes at SF early in the season because of Covington not being 100%.

[OleSchool]

I think that he caught quite a few minutes at SF early in the season because of Covington not being 100%.

That and he was also guarding the other teams best wing

[BobThornton]

Brown shared some of his own insight Tuesday, saying, “The ‘secret sauce’ is the discipline to follow our convictions. The day-to-day discipline to follow our convictions and not waver. You know what’s right and wrong. You know how the program should be grown, so you need the discipline and strength to do that,"


Yeah, what happened to that?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I love Brett Brown...but he talks ot of his ass.

[kriss73]

I'm really courious to see which kind of job is going to find Hinkie.
And I can't see him playing golf until the next job.
Maybe special advisor of Bryan?

[LordBaldric]

Even the most die-hard Hinkie fan has to acknowlegde that this full blown tanking before the season even starts strategy (or even seasons in advance!) is only viable if at most a few teams try it. If it IS worthless being a non-contender in the playoffs, then by your logic at least 20 teams every season should plan for & execute a tank-a-thon from the get go.

But if this happened, not only would the Hinkie strategy gain no benefit, but other things would start to tank: game quality, fan interest, attendance, TV ratings, league revenue, respect for the NBA brand, etc. There is no way the league office would let this happen, and that's why I believe Silver may very well have stepped in and forced/encouraged this change in Philly. Frankly, Hinkie was a bad actor from the long term view of the league and owners.

[Sixerscan]

Even the most die-hard Hinkie fan has to acknowlegde that this full blown tanking before the season even starts strategy (or even seasons in advance!) is only viable if at most a few teams try it. If it IS worthless being a non-contender in the playoffs, then by your logic at least 20 teams every season should plan for & execute a tank-a-thon from the get go.

But if this happened, not only would the Hinkie strategy gain no benefit, but other things would start to tank: game quality, fan interest, attendance, TV ratings, league revenue, respect for the NBA brand, etc. There is no way the league office would let this happen, and that's why I believe Silver may very well have stepped in and forced/encouraged this change in Philly. Frankly, Hinkie was a bad actor from the long term view of the league and owners.

Pretty sure he's said like 50 times that every team shouldn't do this, that there was a specific situation that the sixers were in that necessitated this to a degree. And obviously after two seconds most people realized that 20 teams aren't going to tank for the reasons you mention so it isn't really a concern to that degree. Thanks for the thought experiment though.

[LordBaldric]

Even the most die-hard Hinkie fan has to acknowlegde that this full blown tanking before the season even starts strategy (or even seasons in advance!) is only viable if at most a few teams try it. If it IS worthless being a non-contender in the playoffs, then by your logic at least 20 teams every season should plan for & execute a tank-a-thon from the get go.

But if this happened, not only would the Hinkie strategy gain no benefit, but other things would start to tank: game quality, fan interest, attendance, TV ratings, league revenue, respect for the NBA brand, etc. There is no way the league office would let this happen, and that's why I believe Silver may very well have stepped in and forced/encouraged this change in Philly. Frankly, Hinkie was a bad actor from the long term view of the league and owners.

Pretty sure he's said like 50 times that every team shouldn't do this, that there was a specific situation that the sixers were in that necessitated this to a degree. And obviously after two seconds most people realized that 20 teams aren't going to tank for the reasons you mention so it isn't really a concern to that degree. Thanks for the thought experiment though.

They weren't in a position that necessitated it at all. Many teams are currently treadmilling like Philly was when he took over. Of course he says other teams shouldn't do it- because then it's game over for him.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Your point may be true, but it is totally irrelevant, because 20 teams weren't tanking, so it doesn't really matter. If Silver doesn't want the potential of 20 teams tanking, then change the system. Don't attack the organization that is exploiting your flaws.

And tanking is only part of the plan. You have to trust in your own ability to build with the assets you acquire(however good they may be) and Hinkie was never given the chance to do that, so it's impossible to know if he could have or would have.

[bryanwithawhy]

I'm really courious to see which kind of job is going to find Hinkie.
And I can't see him playing golf until the next job.
Maybe special advisor of Bryan?

I think there is a decent chance he has his next job lined up: with the Bucks. Both the owners are finance guys.

[kriss73]

I'm really courious to see which kind of job is going to find Hinkie.
And I can't see him playing golf until the next job.
Maybe special advisor of Bryan?

I think there is a decent chance he has his next job lined up: with the Bucks. Both the owners are finance guys.

Could be. But i can't see him as GM right now. Maybe some kind of associate, I don't know where, ready to take over if something bold is necessary.

[tk76]

Even the most die-hard Hinkie fan has to acknowlegde that this full blown tanking before the season even starts strategy (or even seasons in advance!) is only viable if at most a few teams try it. If it IS worthless being a non-contender in the playoffs, then by your logic at least 20 teams every season should plan for & execute a tank-a-thon from the get go.

But if this happened, not only would the Hinkie strategy gain no benefit, but other things would start to tank: game quality, fan interest, attendance, TV ratings, league revenue, respect for the NBA brand, etc. There is no way the league office would let this happen, and that's why I believe Silver may very well have stepped in and forced/encouraged this change in Philly. Frankly, Hinkie was a bad actor from the long term view of the league and owners.

As per Hinkie's manifesto, they knew that to maximize their advantage they needed to discourage other teams from joining in on tanking. To this end he tried to avoid the media and not try and sell the rebuild. He also said that one reason to not add face saving FA's was to make them look dreadful enough that other teams would be afraid to join them in the basement. So in some ways Hinkie intentionally went out of his way to make the team look bad, even though internally their was surprising not much dissension or poor morale among the players and coaches.

Unfortunately, this approach backfired, as the owners, although supporting his plan initally, did not have his back and caved to league pressure.

[Sixerscan]

Even the most die-hard Hinkie fan has to acknowlegde that this full blown tanking before the season even starts strategy (or even seasons in advance!) is only viable if at most a few teams try it. If it IS worthless being a non-contender in the playoffs, then by your logic at least 20 teams every season should plan for & execute a tank-a-thon from the get go.

But if this happened, not only would the Hinkie strategy gain no benefit, but other things would start to tank: game quality, fan interest, attendance, TV ratings, league revenue, respect for the NBA brand, etc. There is no way the league office would let this happen, and that's why I believe Silver may very well have stepped in and forced/encouraged this change in Philly. Frankly, Hinkie was a bad actor from the long term view of the league and owners.

Pretty sure he's said like 50 times that every team shouldn't do this, that there was a specific situation that the sixers were in that necessitated this to a degree. And obviously after two seconds most people realized that 20 teams aren't going to tank for the reasons you mention so it isn't really a concern to that degree. Thanks for the thought experiment though.

They weren't in a position that necessitated it at all. Many teams are currently treadmilling like Philly was when he took over. Of course he says other teams shouldn't do it- because then it's game over for him.

Treadmilling had less to do with it than their lack of young player/future tradable picks/assets in general after the Bynum and moultrie trades.

You don't understand the context of what I'm talking about, and since hinkie is gone at this point I don't feel like explaining it. So believe what you want.