2016 Regular Season Thread

[Quake Griffin]

I've been convinced by arguments that he was not exactly a draft genius but more above average compared to his contemporaries with regards to his record of hits and misses even when he was not hampered by McCourt's flimsy finances.

Let's hear em.

or rather, let's see a comparison to one of his contemporaries you speak of.

[Neddy]

I've been convinced by arguments that he was not exactly a draft genius but more above average compared to his contemporaries with regards to his record of hits and misses even when he was not hampered by McCourt's flimsy finances.

Let's hear em.

or rather, let's see a comparison to one of his contemporaries you speak of.

Logan White's dodger years were from 2002 starting as a scoutng director, to 2014 as an assistant GM. without any specific order,

2002 - James Loney/James McDonald/Jonothan Broxton/Delwynn Young/Eric Stults/Russell Martin/Luke Hochever
2003 - Chad BIllingsley/Chuck Tiffany/Xavier Paul/Matt Kemp/AJ Ellis/Mark Melancon/Andy LaRoshe
2004 - Scott Elbert/Blake Dewitt/justin Orendoff/Javy Guerra/Cory Wade/David Price/Jusgtin Ruggiano
2005 - Luke Hochever / Ivan De Jesus /Josh wall/Josh Bell/Scott Van Slyke/Jody Mercer
2006 - Clayton Kershaw/Paul Goldschmidt
2007 - CHris WithRow/Andrew Lambo
2008 - Ethan Martin/Josh Lindblom/Dee Gordon/Nathan Eovaldi/Allen Webster/Jerry Sands/Matt Mcgill/Daniel Coulombe
2009- absolutely sucked this year with nobody making it to the show.
2010 - Zach Lee/Joc Pederson/Scott Schebler/Shawn Tolleson
2011 - Chris Reed
2012 - Cory Seager / Paco / Onelki Garcia / Ross Stripling /Darnell Sweeney/Daniel Coulombe/JOrdan Hershiser
2013 - Chris Anderson/Tom Windle
2014 - Grant Holmes / ALex Verdugo

having about 40 picks a year, Logan absolutely nailed it in his early years as our scouting director. from 2008 and to 2014 the assiatnat GM years, he was very much a hit and miss and miss and miss... a la league average.

still love the guy, but it's beena decade since he was a draft guru.

[Neddy]

While I'm certainly grateful to Logan White for his contributions to our drafts and would have preferred that he stayed on staff within the current administration, I've been convinced by arguments that he was not exactly a draft genius but more above average compared to his contemporaries with regards to his record of hits and misses even when he was not hampered by McCourt's flimsy finances.

I'm definitely thankful that Ned Colletti's influence has been minimized to irrelevance, but I definitely would have preferred that we brought back Kim Ng since, as Neddy said, she was a topnotch negotiator who was a big fan of the game. I wasn't a fan of Paul DePodesta's, but I wouldn't be opposed to him being a part of our braintrust as a subordinate and not a leader. The guy I think who was under-appreciated and deserves a position with the Dodgers is Dan Evans. He brought in Ng and secured Vladimir Guerrero's agreement to join the Dodgers before McCourt put the kibosh on it. Evans also ably rebuilt the organization from the shambles Kevin Malone's bumbling left it.

I really think we neee to separqate his early dodger years as the scouting director, who is solely responsible for finding talent versus his assistant GM days, where his eye for a talent was tainted by his ambition to rise above.

his early years as purely the director of scouting department of the dodgers was nearly impeccable.
his AGM days was very sketchy, maybe he was away from the actual field or his luck had funally run out.

but as a scout alone, he was speicial... or very y. either way he produced ungodly number of successful future major leaguer prospects.

[Quake Griffin]

I've been convinced by arguments that he was not exactly a draft genius but more above average compared to his contemporaries with regards to his record of hits and misses even when he was not hampered by McCourt's flimsy finances.

Let's hear em.

or rather, let's see a comparison to one of his contemporaries you speak of.

Logan White's dodger years were from 2002 starting as a scoutng director, to 2014 as an assistant GM. without any specific order,

2002 - James Loney/James McDonald/Jonothan Broxton/Delwynn Young/Eric Stults/Russell Martin/Luke Hochever
2003 - Chad BIllingsley/Chuck Tiffany/Xavier Paul/Matt Kemp/AJ Ellis/Mark Melancon/Andy LaRoshe
2004 - Scott Elbert/Blake Dewitt/justin Orendoff/Javy Guerra/Cory Wade/David Price/Jusgtin Ruggiano
2005 - Luke Hochever / Ivan De Jesus /Josh wall/Josh Bell/Scott Van Slyke/Jody Mercer
2006 - Clayton Kershaw/Paul Goldschmidt
2007 - CHris WithRow/Andrew Lambo
2008 - Ethan Martin/Josh Lindblom/Dee Gordon/Nathan Eovaldi/Allen Webster/Jerry Sands/Matt Mcgill/Daniel Coulombe
2009- absolutely sucked this year with nobody making it to the show.
2010 - Zach Lee/Joc Pederson/Scott Schebler/Shawn Tolleson
2011 - Chris Reed
2012 - Cory Seager / Paco / Onelki Garcia / Ross Stripling /Darnell Sweeney/Daniel Coulombe/JOrdan Hershiser
2013 - Chris Anderson/Tom Windle
2014 - Grant Holmes / ALex Verdugo

having about 40 picks a year, Logan absolutely nailed it in his early years as our scouting director. from 2008 and to 2014 the assiatnat GM years, he was very much a hit and miss and miss and miss... a la league average.

still love the guy, but it's beena decade since he was a draft guru.

And Bellinger
and DeLeon
and Jharel Cotton.

I viewed the 20008-2011 years as light.
I view the 2012-2014 years as another period of great drafting ala the early 2000s for him.

[Ranma]

Let's hear em.

or rather, let's see a comparison to one of his contemporaries you speak of.

Unfortunately, most of the arguments were made on one of the multiple Dodgers fan forums I used to frequent and I can't find the specific threads in question. Plus, my memory sucks now so I can't even remember which forums they were, which further keeps me from remembering specifically which of his contemporaries were cited in comparison to Logan White.

Below are a couple of arguments I found in a Google search that lend support to the assessment of Logan White, but neither were the ones I was previously involved in. I also want to make clear that my assessment of White was with regard to his effectiveness overall. I liked him as our lead scout, but would have been concerned with him as our GM. A large part of his appeal to me was that he prioritized things I look for in prospects such as clean mechanics, tools, and projectability. He obviously has an eye for talent when you consider he identified David Price, Paul Goldschmidt, Kevin Gausman, and Shohei Ohtani as prospects, but was not without his shortcomings such as not developing hitters consistently.

Adrian Garcia, DodgersWay.com (10/24/14)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/truebluela/status/526760986745643009[/tweet]
Yikes.

Kemp Loney Martin and Billingsley are solid regulars, but ever since 2004, it’s Clayton Kershaw, Dee Gordon who has had one good season 3 second division type players, and a pile of AAA level players and relievers. Put however much blame you want on Frank McCourt, but Nathan Eovaldi being your best player since 2006 is simply unacceptable. Chris Reed was a bad pick, Chris Anderson is looking a lot like Chris Withrow, Chris Withrow himself spent 4 seasons in AA purgatory, came up, was good for half a season and then blew out his elbow, none of the picks between 2007-2011 (possibly 2012) have worked out.

With or without Frank McCourt’s spending limits on scouting, it’s a bad track record. As long as you’re drafting a decent player once every two seasons, you’re doing just fine, but to choose Zach Lee over Kevin Gausman, to choose Chris Reed over Sonny Gray, Joe Panik, Robert Stephenson, Matt Barnes, Kolten Wong, Alex Meyer, and Blake Swihart.

ALL OF WHOM ASIDE FROM STEPHENSON SIGNED FOR SIMILAR A SIMILAR AMOUNT THAN REED.

Logan White’s Departure is Not Insurmountable


azblue20, OurDodgers.com (5/20/11)

We have drafted mainly pitching in that time. That's worked out very well for us.
======================================
Following is the list of 1st round picks by Logan White:

2001-Brian Pilkington {out of baseball}
2002-James Loney and Greg Miller {out of baseball}...and wish Loney was too!
2003-Billingsley
2004-Scott Elbert Blake DeWitt and Justin Orenduff {earth shattering!}..3 1st rd picks,3 whiffs!
2005-Luke Hochevar {did not sign}
2006- Kershaw and Bryan Morris {!}....AND Preston Mattingley!!!.3 1st rd picks,2 whiffs
2007-Chris Withrow {arm problems since drafted,and he can`t get anyone out!}}
2008-Ethan Martin {5.41 ERA three minor seasons}
2009-Aaron Miller {7.04 ERA in AA last year}
2010-Zach Lee {currently shut down,MRI due}

Lets see?..Brian Pilkington,Greg Miller,Scott Elbert,Justin Orenduff,Bryan Morris,Chris Withrow,Ethan Martin,and Aaron Miller have "worked out well for us".Hey,those are just the first round picks wasted!

OurDodgers.com Forum: Logan White

[Neddy]

He obviously has an eye for talent when you consider he identified David Price, Paul Goldschmidt, Kevin Gausman, and Shohei Ohtani as prospects, but was not without his shortcomings such as not developing hitters consistently.[/color]

ehhh... can't help it man. Logan was a pitcher.

[Quake Griffin]

Let's hear em.

or rather, let's see a comparison to one of his contemporaries you speak of.

Unfortunately, most of the arguments were made on one of the multiple Dodgers fan forums I used to frequent and I can't find the specific threads in question. Plus, my memory sucks now so I can't even remember which forums they were, which further keeps me from remembering specifically which of his contemporaries were cited in comparison to Logan White.

Below are a couple of arguments I found in a Google search that lend support to the assessment of Logan White, but neither were the ones I was previously involved in. I also want to make clear that my assessment of White was with regard to his effectiveness overall. I liked him as our lead scout, but would have been concerned with him as our GM. A large part of his appeal to me was that he prioritized things I look for in prospects such as clean mechanics, tools, and projectability. He obviously has an eye for talent when you consider he identified David Price, Paul Goldschmidt, Kevin Gausman, and Shohei Ohtani as prospects, but was not without his shortcomings such as not developing hitters consistently.

Adrian Garcia, DodgersWay.com (10/24/14)

[Tweet]https://twitter.com/truebluela/status/526760986745643009[/Tweet]
Yikes.

Kemp Loney Martin and Billingsley are solid regulars, but ever since 2004, it’s Clayton Kershaw, Dee Gordon who has had one good season 3 second division type players, and a pile of AAA level players and relievers. Put however much blame you want on Frank McCourt, but Nathan Eovaldi being your best player since 2006 is simply unacceptable. Chris Reed was a bad pick, Chris Anderson is looking a lot like Chris Withrow, Chris Withrow himself spent 4 seasons in AA purgatory, came up, was good for half a season and then blew out his elbow, none of the picks between 2007-2011 (possibly 2012) have worked out.

With or without Frank McCourt’s spending limits on scouting, it’s a bad track record. As long as you’re drafting a decent player once every two seasons, you’re doing just fine, but to choose Zach Lee over Kevin Gausman, to choose Chris Reed over Sonny Gray, Joe Panik, Robert Stephenson, Matt Barnes, Kolten Wong, Alex Meyer, and Blake Swihart.

ALL OF WHOM ASIDE FROM STEPHENSON SIGNED FOR SIMILAR A SIMILAR AMOUNT THAN REED.

Logan White’s Departure is Not Insurmountable


azblue20, OurDodgers.com (5/20/11)

We have drafted mainly pitching in that time. That's worked out very well for us.
======================================
Following is the list of 1st round picks by Logan White:

2001-Brian Pilkington {out of baseball}
2002-James Loney and Greg Miller {out of baseball}...and wish Loney was too!
2003-Billingsley
2004-Scott Elbert Blake DeWitt and Justin Orenduff {earth shattering!}..3 1st rd picks,3 whiffs!
2005-Luke Hochevar {did not sign}
2006- Kershaw and Bryan Morris {!}....AND Preston Mattingley!!!.3 1st rd picks,2 whiffs
2007-Chris Withrow {arm problems since drafted,and he can`t get anyone out!}}
2008-Ethan Martin {5.41 ERA three minor seasons}
2009-Aaron Miller {7.04 ERA in AA last year}
2010-Zach Lee {currently shut down,MRI due}

Lets see?..Brian Pilkington,Greg Miller,Scott Elbert,Justin Orenduff,Bryan Morris,Chris Withrow,Ethan Martin,and Aaron Miller have "worked out well for us".Hey,those are just the first round picks wasted!

OurDodgers.com Forum: Logan White

I see.
I thought the Kemp era + the Seager era would make up for the lull post Kershaw.

[Quake Griffin]

One more problem we have and i think Nomar touched on it.

Are we sure Howie Kendrick is better than Chase utley?

[Ranma]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DodgersDigest/status/719540762636107777[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/alannarizzo/status/719684405355098112[/tweet]

[Quake Griffin]

Crusing a Dodger forum and saw the stats from Julio Urias's 1st start at AAA.

5ip
0 runs
4 hits
0 bb
9 ks


oh lawd.

[Ranma]

Crusing a Dodger forum and saw the stats from Julio Urias's 1st start at AAA.

5ip
0 runs
4 hits
0 bb
9 ks


oh lawd.

I wanted to post in the Prospects thread but the Dodgers board is experiencing some technical issues on some thread pages. In any case, here are tweets from Justin Russo showcasing his 9 strikeouts. I'm not sure how he set up all the batters featured below but I don't see any breaking balls in any of his K's. They're darting and accurate fastballs, but he'll need more than that at the Major-League level. I know he has the stuff, but I'm curious why I haven't seen any of them in this instance. The kids in AAA simply are no match for him.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719782568330006529[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719783201036603392[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719783810817101824[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719784139327582208[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719785422654545920[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719785912796729344[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719786710968565761[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719787245624897536[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719788457229295616[/tweet]

[Quake Griffin]

Damn. You're right. All fastballs. Let's hope he got some swings and misses on the breaking stuff.


http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/we-might-already-have-the-seasons-worst-called-ball/
Neddy. I wasnt the only one who noticed that Kershaw's pitch straight down the middle was called a ball. I was losing my **** in the house. Welp, Jeff Sullivan decided to write about it.
LMAO.

edit: AJ does set up inside and then catch it like Kershaw missed his spot outside.

[Quake Griffin]

Dodgers’ ‪#‎OpeningDayLA‬ lineup:
Hernandez LF
Puig RF
Gonzalez 1B
Turner 3B
Kendrick 2B
Thompson CF
Seager SS
Ellis C
Maeda P

Batting Seager 7th?
Out thinking ourselves a bit here?

edit:
and no Grandal even though he's back.

[Ranma]

[Tweet]https://twitter.com/UniWatch/status/719978542302412801[/Tweet]

[Ranma]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/molly_knight/status/719993651825221632[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719983851544510464[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719990776759865344[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719995001871028224[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/719999563478634500[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/720004696711139329[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/720007145668939776[/tweet]

[Ranma]

I got to admit that I thought to myself, "What the hell is he thinking?" when he pushed the envelope on this play, but I got to admit, that was an exciting--maybe even heady--play albeit a risky one as well.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/720005463773827072[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/ScottWarner18/status/720006336608493568[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/molly_knight/status/720007410216210438[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/720006823911141376[/tweet]

[Ranma]

I thought for sure the D-backs were going to score on that double by Jake Lamb. Thank goodness, beefy Welington Castillo is not fleet of foot.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/720009754400063488[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/DodgerInsider/status/720008821163171841[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/720009072502673409[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/alannarizzo/status/720009132858716160[/tweet]

[TKainZero]

And now back to the wild wonders of the bullpen.

Lets go PB!

[TKainZero]

SHOCKER
Bullpen loses the lead again..
RIGHT AWAY... again...

Why does it seem so hard to have a good bullpen? When are the young guns gonna come up and help.

Another gem of a game by a dodger pitcher that will lead to a 'no-descision'

[TKainZero]

I feel like the only way to win with the dodgers is for the Starting Pitcher to go 8+ innings.


At least the dodgers have the bats to come back... Lets go