Knicks will go after players who fit triangle

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Jesus Christ. D Wade is NOT coming here. Durant is not coming here and neither is Westbrook.

I promise you D Will will opt out and will promptly bump this thread when he does @knickstape. Role players care about security more than anything. D Will will try to get a multi year deal somewhere and hopefully we can affordably retain him. You might have a point with Jennings but I can very well see him signing a multi year deal as well.

Agreed on Wade and KD, but why are u so sure about Westbrook? If KD leaves this summer, do u really think that WB would choose to stay in OKC long term? I think it's a damn near guarantee that he'd bounce. If he leaves, what are his potential destinations? The Lakers, Knicks, and who else? If we're a playoff team next season then I think that there's a great chance that we can get him. He would be the single piece that puts us in contention.

Who is giving Jennings a multi year deal? Have u seen his play this season? Maybe he gets a 2 year contract with the 2nd year being non-guaranteed like what the Celtics gave Amir Johnson. I think that he would accept a 1 year overpay in order to get his stock up for 2017 FA. He's already stated that he wants to be in NY.

If D-Will opts out, then it is what it is...there's no need to be bumping threads. I don't think that it's a sure thing that he opts out, but there's obviously a pretty good chance that he does.

[whocares1]

Westbrook is just the complete opposite of what Phil is looking for, and until he officially leaves WB will never be a realistic option. Phil has mentioned multiple times that he doesn't want a ball dominant point guard.

Like I said you might have a point with Jennings, but there's always that one team willing to hand out terrible contracts to players similar to a Jennings type player.

[Coeur]

I would love to have Noah back home in NY. Hiring Thibs as coach would enhance the chances of the Knicks landing him for maybe a discounted amount.

I could see a scenario where the Knicks hire Thibs and then trade KOQ for either an early 2nd or late 1st to sign Noah to be a backup for like 8-10 mill for 1 year and then sign a guy like Bazemore for 14-16 mill long-term.

A line-up of
Grant
Bazemore
Melo
KP
Rolo

With the main bench pieces of
Noah
Dwill
Gallo
LT

That's a very Thibs-esque defense first squad with an attacking guard and wing scorer in Melo.

Love that lineup, but they have to find another PG somehow, someway.

Can't see where you guys are from.

Do you want to affect flexibility in 2017 free agency to pay Lance Thomas and Galloway any big money or do you think they're both league min guys? I wouldn't pay either much more than league min.

And you're giving grant a lot of credit here.

But mostly. Looking at the Knicks roster you'll still think with a strange look on your face "Robin Lopez is their 3rd best player????" Robin should be a 5th/6th best player on a team type. Otherwise he's a luxery you can't afford.

[RussellandFlow]

Why would Durant leave this year when he can sign a two year deal with an opt out for 2017 when the cap spikes even more which would allow him to make even more money. I think he stays and then he and Westbrook both hit FA next summer. I think Bazemore would actually be a solid fit for you guys.

[Starks]

Incoming over reactions to something that literally every team does. Look for players who fit with the current roster and philosphy....

Nah man, this isn't about a team looking for players who fit the philosophy, this is Phil Jackson's senile ass being freaking obsessed with the freakin triangle.

Everytime I read something about the Knicks, it's about the damn triangle. I'm so fed up with this, this is not Chicago with MJ and Pippen, this is not the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq, this is today's Knicks and we have to get rid of this DAMN TRIANGLE PIPE DREAM ALREADY.

Now we're keeping Rambis as our HC because of the triangle? Phil is killing this team. Once again we hired some crazy ass persona who thinks he's bigger than life and is just fu cking us up with his stubbornness.

Come on Phil, stop now, please resign.

The reason you continue to hear about the "triangle" is because of the media. They continue to ask the players about it every day. When have you ever heard a player or coach bring it up without being asked about it?

It's similar to hearing about Lebron and the Heat nonstop when they were together. The media will talk about it to the point where it becomes annoying.

Yes, it's the media that makes it pretty much unbearable at this point to me, but it's still very well telling the story about what's going on behind the scenes. Even if there wasn't a word about it in articles, you know Phil would still be bustin his ass to make us a triangle team. And I think it's bad for the franchise, because he's not turning us into a successful triangle-running team, the way HE sees it, anytime soon.

Don't get me wrong, I commend the intent because the complete achievement of his goal would translate into great basketball accomplishments. But this is unrealistic, it's going to kill us short to medium term, and there's too much of a risk to fail long term for this to be a viable vision. Phil is too old, has too small a window to operate, we have to do things differently.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

I heavily doubt that Phil would pass up on a player of Westbrook's caliber just because he's a ball dominant PG. It has typically been the SG that has dominated the ball in the triangle, but that was when the PG position was weak and the SG position was strong. The opposite is true in today's NBA. Westbrook would basically be our modern day Kobe or MJ (not saying he's Kobe or MJ, but he would be that high usage playmaker in the triangle).

Why can't a PG like WB take the Kobe role (high usage, playmaking perimeter player) while a SG like Bazemore plays the Fisher/BJ Armstrong role in the backcourt (low usage defender and spot up shooter)?

[ALL HAIL]

honestly what player does that mean we will no longer go after.

If it means we wont go after that empty stat loser Rondo then I am all for it.

if we're going off last summer it means seraphin(after we already signed a million bigs) instead of lin, shved or any other guard.

i guess it would be something like jared sullinger over evan turner at the same price this year.

Bad example.

Evan Turner is tailor-made for the triangle. In my opinion, he'll be the starting PG next year.

[Phish Tank]

I heavily doubt that Phil would pass up on a player of Westbrook's caliber just because he's a ball dominant PG. It has typically been the SG that has dominated the ball in the triangle, but that was when the PG position was weak and the SG position was strong. The opposite is true in today's NBA. Westbrook would basically be our modern day Kobe or MJ (not saying he's Kobe or MJ, but he would be that high usage playmaker in the triangle).

Why can't a PG like WB take the Kobe role (high usage, playmaking perimeter player) while a SG like Bazemore plays the Fisher/BJ Armstrong role in the backcourt (low usage defender and spot up shooter)?

I was about to say. Westbrook would be a beast in the triangle and probably needs it too to be successful. He has Kobe tendencies in him. He would have no issues with us


Sent from the phish tank

[NoLayupRule]

well
to play devils advocate

Melo did have his best season sharing the ball and scoring within a system in the triangle

Of the players who got it - Melo, KP, Rolo - they all had a good season

If we had a guard who thrived in the offense it might be very different



I know everyone here has decided they know more about the triangle than Jackson but Im willing to believe the right players running the system can work

[Mr_Perfect]

Fire Phil

[HerSports85]

just trade Grant now so he can flourish someone else.and stop being held back.

I'm so freaking tired of all this damn triangle talk, it's sickening. We are the only team in the NBA still trying to push this huh?

[thebuzzardman]

Why would Durant leave this year when he can sign a two year deal with an opt out for 2017 when the cap spikes even more which would allow him to make even more money. I think he stays and then he and Westbrook both hit FA next summer. I think Bazemore would actually be a solid fit for you guys.

As a fan of another team, why do you even care?

By your analysis, why would anyone become a FA then? Hey, thanks for quieting down the chatter on RealGM, there will be no one changing teams this year during free agency. Thanks.

[thebuzzardman]

I heavily doubt that Phil would pass up on a player of Westbrook's caliber just because he's a ball dominant PG. It has typically been the SG that has dominated the ball in the triangle, but that was when the PG position was weak and the SG position was strong. The opposite is true in today's NBA. Westbrook would basically be our modern day Kobe or MJ (not saying he's Kobe or MJ, but he would be that high usage playmaker in the triangle).

Why can't a PG like WB take the Kobe role (high usage, playmaking perimeter player) while a SG like Bazemore plays the Fisher/BJ Armstrong role in the backcourt (low usage defender and spot up shooter)?

I was about to say. Westbrook would be a beast in the triangle and probably needs it too to be successful. He has Kobe tendencies in him. He would have no issues with us


Sent from the phish tank

This Jordan guy was known to dominate the ball at times, even apparently lead the league in scoring a time or two.

[moocow007]

Jesus Christ. D Wade is NOT coming here. Durant is not coming here and neither is Westbrook.

I promise you D Will will opt out and will promptly bump this thread when he does @knickstape. Role players care about security more than anything. D Will will try to get a multi year deal somewhere and hopefully we can affordably retain him. You might have a point with Jennings but I can very well see him signing a multi year deal as well.

So Phil Jackson is a failure is what you are saying. No one is coming here according to you?

[Triple C]

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[GONYK]

Why would Durant leave this year when he can sign a two year deal with an opt out for 2017 when the cap spikes even more which would allow him to make even more money. I think he stays and then he and Westbrook both hit FA next summer. I think Bazemore would actually be a solid fit for you guys.

Why not just sign a 2 yr deal with a different team?

[Floozenheimen]

I heavily doubt that Phil would pass up on a player of Westbrook's caliber just because he's a ball dominant PG. It has typically been the SG that has dominated the ball in the triangle, but that was when the PG position was weak and the SG position was strong. The opposite is true in today's NBA. Westbrook would basically be our modern day Kobe or MJ (not saying he's Kobe or MJ, but he would be that high usage playmaker in the triangle).

Why can't a PG like WB take the Kobe role (high usage, playmaking perimeter player) while a SG like Bazemore plays the Fisher/BJ Armstrong role in the backcourt (low usage defender and spot up shooter)?

I was literally typing this same analysis. Phil would sign Westbrook in a hearbeat. The two guard setup that the triangle facilitates would allow either guard to be a slasher, and the other the shooter. It matters not labels of 1 and 2 guard in the triangle.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Why would Durant leave this year when he can sign a two year deal with an opt out for 2017 when the cap spikes even more which would allow him to make even more money. I think he stays and then he and Westbrook both hit FA next summer. I think Bazemore would actually be a solid fit for you guys.

Why not just sign a 2 yr deal with a different team?

They won't be able to go over the cap to re-sign him so they'd have to make sure they had over 35 mil in cap space when he does opt out. Would that different team maybe have to get rid of an important player to get that space? That could be one potential downside.

[GONYK]

Why would Durant leave this year when he can sign a two year deal with an opt out for 2017 when the cap spikes even more which would allow him to make even more money. I think he stays and then he and Westbrook both hit FA next summer. I think Bazemore would actually be a solid fit for you guys.

Why not just sign a 2 yr deal with a different team?

They won't be able to go over the cap to re-sign him so they'd have to make sure they had over 35 mil in cap space when he does opt out. Would that different team maybe have to get rid of an important player to get that space? That could be one potential downside.

Fair point

[whocares1]

Jesus Christ. D Wade is NOT coming here. Durant is not coming here and neither is Westbrook.

I promise you D Will will opt out and will promptly bump this thread when he does @knickstape. Role players care about security more than anything. D Will will try to get a multi year deal somewhere and hopefully we can affordably retain him. You might have a point with Jennings but I can very well see him signing a multi year deal as well.

So Phil Jackson is a failure is what you are saying. No one is coming here according to you?

I'm not exactly Phil's biggest fan, but I wouldn't deem him a failure because he couldn't draw 3 stars in better situations to come play here. Phil will get more role players he thinks fits the system as he tries to build a winning culture.