The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1)

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1781 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:20 pm

SideshowBob wrote:2016 Golden State Warriors In/Out Splits (82 G, 73-9)

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We have 39 games of Curry, Green, Klay, Iggy, Bogut, & Barnes. I will list post these 39 games first and then post samples of individual players removed from this group.

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Barnes, Bogut, Curry, Green, Iggy, Klay IN | (39 G, 36-3)

+13.19 SRS, +10.9 Offense, -2.3 Defense

117.2 ORTG, 104.5 DRTG, +13.1 Adjusted Net

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All IN | Iggy OUT | (13 G, 11-2)

+5.32 SRS, +7.0 Offense, +0.7 Defense

114.2 ORTG, 105.1 DRTG, +6.2 Adjusted Net

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All IN | Barnes OUT | (12 G, 11-1)

+9.02 SRS, +7.2 Offense, -2.4 Defense

114.0 ORTG, 103.1 DRTG, +9.6 Adjusted Net

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All IN | Bogut OUT | (8 G, 8-0)

+14.70, +6.7 Offense, -7.2 Defense

113.9 ORTG, 99.5 DRTG, +13.8 Adjusted Net

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I kinda feel sorry for Bogut, it's not that he has negative impact, it's just that when he is out a lot of these lineups green plays center where it gets freaky
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1782 » by PaulieWal » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:34 pm

We were witnesses to the greatest RS team ever and yes my only criterion for this is 73 wins.

Note: I am not saying the GOAT single season team yet because that depends on the playoffs. Simply that they are the GOAT RS team on the basis of 73 wins.

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1783 » by JordansBulls » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:42 am

The person to feel bad in all of this is Mark Jackson. He was the coach for a few years and then they replace him with Kerr and they win 67 and 73 in back to back seasons. Must be tough commentating for him seeing this.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1784 » by JordansBulls » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:44 am

PaulieWal wrote:We were witnesses to the greatest RS team ever and yes my only criterion for this is 73 wins.

Note: I am not saying the GOAT single season team yet because that depends on the playoffs. Simply that they are the GOAT RS team on the basis of 73 wins.

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Also never lost back to back nor to anyone twice. Although other teams do have a higher Point differential and SRS rating. I believe Bulls in 1996 were only one ranked 1st in offensive and defensive efficiency. Bucks in 1971 had the highest SRS. So each of the teams in Lakers 1972, Bucks 1971, Bulls 1996, GSW 2016 have something over the other.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1785 » by PCProductions » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:59 am

JordansBulls wrote:The person to feel bad in all of this is Mark Jackson. He was the coach for a few years and then they replace him with Kerr and they win 67 and 73 in back to back seasons. Must be tough commentating for him seeing this.

Jackson is the one who should feel bad for having visibly held this team back for at least the 2014 season. There has never been such an evident example of coaching impact in NBA history.
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Post#1786 » by JordansBulls » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:28 am

Just realized how fitting the team to break the Bulls record was the team that MJ actually broke his foot against in 1985.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1787 » by kayess » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:21 am

The Warriors are so good even that even JB can't even nitpick why it doesn't count
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1788 » by studcrackers » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:31 am

JordansBulls wrote:The person to feel bad in all of this is Mark Jackson. He was the coach for a few years and then they replace him with Kerr and they win 67 and 73 in back to back seasons. Must be tough commentating for him seeing this.


id feel bad if i didnt think he was a jackass and a sh*tty coach
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1789 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:59 am

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JordansBulls wrote:The person to feel bad in all of this is Mark Jackson. He was the coach for a few years and then they replace him with Kerr and they win 67 and 73 in back to back seasons. Must be tough commentating for him seeing this.

Jackson is the one who should feel bad for having visibly held this team back for at least the 2014 season. There has never been such an evident example of coaching impact in NBA history.


My feeling is that the Warriors don't get to this level without Mark Jackson. Mark Jackson oversaw the change of the team from a chaotic ununited dispirited team that did not play defense into a united happy team that takes pride in defense and winning.

Jackson was a great point guard without great speed and I give Jackson some credit for the development of Steph Curry as a point guard and in the team's use of picks to help Curry Just as the Pacers used to help Jackson and Reggie Miller get free.

But Jackson wanted a point guard dominant offense and the team was right to move on to Kerr who switched the team from Knicks, Pacers, Jazz style to aPhil Jackson Bulls - Pop Spurs style. The Ball movement non point guard dominant style was needed to stop teams from shutting down the Warriors when they shut down Curry.

The emergence of Draymond Green as a play-maker made double teaming Curry ineffective.

Hiring and firing Jackson and hiring Kerr all seemed perfect to me after the fact. Ownership and management has come out looking very good.

Jackson should get another chance to coach. Jackson may have learned from his mistakes. Even if Jackson has not learned from his mistakes any coach who can get guys to give a good defensive effort is a good hire for a dispirited team.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1790 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:41 pm

I’ve noticed posts already pointing out curry’s ending season ranks in all the different metrics. One more i’ve been tracking throughout the season was where he stacks up against 40+ pts per 100 scorers in league history:

http://bkref.com/tiny/gI8ak

So even with the semi-slide in production over the last few weeks, he’s finished as the most efficient volume scorer in the modern era. Onto the playoffs!
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1791 » by Jim Naismith » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:00 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:I’ve noticed posts already pointing out curry’s ending season ranks in all the different metrics. One more i’ve been tracking throughout the season was where he stacks up against 40+ pts per 100 scorers in league history:

http://bkref.com/tiny/gI8ak

So even with the semi-slide in production over the last few weeks, he’s finished as the most efficient volume scorer in the modern era. Onto the playoffs!


If you use 37 pp 100, 2013 Durant, 2014 Durant, 2013 LeBron, 2014 LeBron are hot on his heels.

http://bkref.com/tiny/UtZfU

So a lot of what he's doing is linked to era, with the "era" being the last 5 years.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1792 » by HeartBreakKid » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:14 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:
PCProductions wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:The person to feel bad in all of this is Mark Jackson. He was the coach for a few years and then they replace him with Kerr and they win 67 and 73 in back to back seasons. Must be tough commentating for him seeing this.

Jackson is the one who should feel bad for having visibly held this team back for at least the 2014 season. There has never been such an evident example of coaching impact in NBA history.


My feeling is that the Warriors don't get to this level without Mark Jackson. Mark Jackson oversaw the change of the team from a chaotic ununited dispirited team that did not play defense into a united happy team that takes pride in defense and winning.

Jackson was a great point guard without great speed and I give Jackson some credit for the development of Steph Curry as a point guard and in the team's use of picks to help Curry Just as the Pacers used to help Jackson and Reggie Miller get free.

But Jackson wanted a point guard dominant offense and the team was right to move on to Kerr who switched the team from Knicks, Pacers, Jazz style to aPhil Jackson Bulls - Pop Spurs style. The Ball movement non point guard dominant style was needed to stop teams from shutting down the Warriors when they shut down Curry.

The emergence of Draymond Green as a play-maker made double teaming Curry ineffective.

Hiring and firing Jackson and hiring Kerr all seemed perfect to me after the fact. Ownership and management has come out looking very good.

Jackson should get another chance to coach. Jackson may have learned from his mistakes. Even if Jackson has not learned from his mistakes any coach who can get guys to give a good defensive effort is a good hire for a dispirited team.



Jackson had a team stacked with good defensive players, and a team that was stacked in general - and had been through out his tenure, the Warriors were underrated. Jackson did not make the Warriors a good defense, and he certainly didn't make Curry a better player (what does Jackson being a PG have to do with anything? Every coach played a position, it doesn't mean they are better at developing players who played that said position, there's no proof of that at all).

Mark Jackson is a dreadful, dreadful, coach - literally one of the worst coaches in the league when he was there, if not the worst, he sure as hell doesn't deserve another chance, he'll only get one because bad coaches tend to find jobs in the NBA.

I've never seen someone get so much credit for letting Stephen Curry shoot before. Stephen Curry's emergence was inevitable, if you look at his history, the writing was on the wall that he was eventually going to explode and that there were just a few factors that held him back (his ankles and Monte Ellis). The league is a point guard oriented offense and that pre dates Mark Jackson.

If a coaches' only skill is getting other players pumped up, then they are cheer leaders not coaches. Morale boosting is nice, but the coach has to do a lot more than that, and Mark Jackson can't even do basic stuff.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1793 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:28 pm

Jim Naismith wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:I’ve noticed posts already pointing out curry’s ending season ranks in all the different metrics. One more i’ve been tracking throughout the season was where he stacks up against 40+ pts per 100 scorers in league history:

http://bkref.com/tiny/gI8ak

So even with the semi-slide in production over the last few weeks, he’s finished as the most efficient volume scorer in the modern era. Onto the playoffs!


If you use 37 pp 100, 2013 Durant, 2014 Durant, 2013 LeBron, 2014 LeBron are hot on his heels.

http://bkref.com/tiny/UtZfU

So a lot of what he's doing is linked to era, with the "era" being the last 5 years.


I picked 40+ pts per 100 earlier in the year as there were critics attempting to devalue his ability as a scorer when he dipped below 30 PPG. So yes, as you dialed down the output a bit, other players get closer, but he’s still scoring around 5 pts more per 100 than those guys. That’s not insignificant.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1794 » by cpower » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:29 am

any Curry PS stat prediction?
I am thinking
33/6/5 on 61%TS in 38 mins
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1795 » by ThaRegul8r » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:34 am

Jim Naismith wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:I’ve noticed posts already pointing out curry’s ending season ranks in all the different metrics. One more i’ve been tracking throughout the season was where he stacks up against 40+ pts per 100 scorers in league history:

http://bkref.com/tiny/gI8ak

So even with the semi-slide in production over the last few weeks, he’s finished as the most efficient volume scorer in the modern era. Onto the playoffs!


If you use 37 pp 100, 2013 Durant, 2014 Durant, 2013 LeBron, 2014 LeBron are hot on his heels.

http://bkref.com/tiny/UtZfU

So a lot of what he's doing is linked to era, with the "era" being the last 5 years.


Everyone who has or will ever play is a product of their era, though.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1796 » by Jim Naismith » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:49 am

ThaRegul8r wrote:
Jim Naismith wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:I’ve noticed posts already pointing out curry’s ending season ranks in all the different metrics. One more i’ve been tracking throughout the season was where he stacks up against 40+ pts per 100 scorers in league history:

http://bkref.com/tiny/gI8ak

So even with the semi-slide in production over the last few weeks, he’s finished as the most efficient volume scorer in the modern era. Onto the playoffs!


If you use 37 pp 100, 2013 Durant, 2014 Durant, 2013 LeBron, 2014 LeBron are hot on his heels.

http://bkref.com/tiny/UtZfU

So a lot of what he's doing is linked to era, with the "era" being the last 5 years.


Everyone who has or will ever play is a product of their era, though.


I'm trying to show that Curry is only a half a tier beyond his own era. In other words, he's less of an outlier than sometimes portrayed.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1797 » by euliss » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:42 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECdKuQz3NA&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

:clap: the bulls one was pretty incredible too
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1798 » by GSP » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:11 am

I don't know why anyone would feel bad for Mark considering his incompetence and character.

Steph/Klay/Barnes/Draymond/Bogut
Steph/Klay/Iggy/Draymond/Bogut
Steph/Klay/Iggy/Barnes/Bogut

What do all of these lineups have in common? They got a combined 0 minutes under Mark Jackson!!!

Plus there's his preaching, excluding and disparaging a player with different values in Bogut, hypocritical with the infedility, bad relationships employers, multiple.reports of team culture being negatively affected by him which Kerr completely turned around, including him reportedly telling the team Ezeli was rooting for.opponents when be was injured for that on/off in/out boost lol.

Good riddance, just get him off my TV now and I'd be shocked if he ever got another coaching gig.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1799 » by mischievous » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:59 pm

cpower wrote:any Curry PS stat prediction?
I am thinking
33/6/5 on 61%TS in 38 mins

Sounds reasonable. That would be an all time playoff run, but not goat level.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1800 » by studcrackers » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:57 pm

cpower wrote:any Curry PS stat prediction?
I am thinking
33/6/5 on 61%TS in 38 mins


if he puts those #'s up, im not even sure he'd play 38 minutes today
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