Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[HIF]

I think we can haze both Bosh and whiteside but if we can't I'd prefer Whiteside over Bosh.

Bosh is both a great player and a great human being but Whiteside is the future.

[RexBoyWonder]

You better stop comparing Hassan to young Wade unless you want to get really disappointed.

[KingDavid]

Just to remind you guys....Chris Bosh is still on the roster. I believe he makes $23 million next season. So you guys want us to sign Hassan for near max money to come off the bench?

Hm. Something to think about...

Yes we do.

I seem to remember that recently we had Wade on a near max contract but we still decided to sign Lebron and Bosh. That didn't turn out too badly.

I want the best team I can and Whiteside is part of that team. BTW It's not your money.

Oh wow, that's completely false. Wade was an unrestricted free agent just like Lebron and Bosh. Are you just flinging **** and hope it sticks? What the hell does the big 3 have to do with my statement? Or even this offseason? That was a different collective bargaining agreement and a significantly lower cap level. You realize just about everyone was off the books that summer?

It's not a matter of it being my money. That's my line. I want Hassan to go wherever he wants and hopefully get whatever he feels he's worth and hopefully it's here. But max players don't get signed to come off benches behind another max player of the same position, they start or else $23 million dollar Bosh only plays what's leftover after Hassan's minutes or vice versa. That's my point. But with the front office throwing out there that they want to heavily pursue KD this offseason, how are they going to do that with wade, hassan, Dragic, and bosh on the books?

[KingDavid]

Just to remind you guys....Chris Bosh is still on the roster. I believe he makes $23 million next season. So you guys want us to sign Hassan for near max money to come off the bench?

Hm. Something to think about...

1. There's a really possibility Bosh never comes back. In thatcase his salary goes off the books in 2017-2018 season.

2. Hassan is 6 years younger.

3. different skillsets. they didn't play well together before but we've made some changes and they might do much better going forward.

3. Idk. Small fours are taking over. Deng is a better fit at the 4 than Bosh and better at the 4 than he is at the 3. Having Bosh in with Whiteside clogs the paint. There's no changing that. Unless Hassan turns into Al Horford with shooting and Bosh transforms into Duncan with passing, I'm reluctant to believe much of anything would change when Bosh returns and they both are on the floor. Hassan would end up back on the pine...or Bosh on the pine, who knows? It is more of a conversation of minute allocation. If it's only 48 minutes to a game, do we allocate them to 24 minutes each, even though they're likely going to be paid +20 million?

Don't get me wromg, I want Hassan here too. But how are we going to go after durant? That's something the front office has not been shy about. If they find a way to make it all work, great! But I'm just asking the curious question of how the hell do they plan on making that work?

[HIF]

Just to remind you guys....Chris Bosh is still on the roster. I believe he makes $23 million next season. So you guys want us to sign Hassan for near max money to come off the bench?

Hm. Something to think about...

Yes we do.

I seem to remember that recently we had Wade on a near max contract but we still decided to sign Lebron and Bosh. That didn't turn out too badly.

I want the best team I can and Whiteside is part of that team. BTW It's not your money.

Oh wow, that's completely false. Wade was an unrestricted free agent just like Lebron and Bosh. Are you just flinging **** and hope it sticks? What the hell does the big 3 have to do with my statement? Or even this offseason? That was a different collective bargaining agreement and a significantly lower cap level. You realize just about everyone was off the books that summer?

It's not a matter of it being my money. That's my line. I want Hassan to go wherever he wants and hopefully get whatever he feels he's worth and hopefully it's here. But max players don't get signed to come off benches behind another max player of the same position, they start or else $23 million dollar Bosh only plays what's leftover after Hassan's minutes or vice versa. That's my point. But with the front office throwing out there that they want to heavily pursue KD this offseason, how are they going to do that with wade, hassan, Dragic, and bosh on the books?

Mine was as false as your statement about Hassan being a bench player.

He's a starter and even when he came off the bench he played starter's minutes and finished the game.

Your argument about Bosh is also false. Hassan is a center, Bosh is a PF. If you are saying that Bosh is a center then I'm afraid Hassan is the better center. He and Deng have looked so much better than even Hassan and Bosh.

If you think Bosh can only play center then goodbye Chris - maybe Riles will do a sign and trade for KD with Bosh

[KingDavid]

Yes we do.

I seem to remember that recently we had Wade on a near max contract but we still decided to sign Lebron and Bosh. That didn't turn out too badly.

I want the best team I can and Whiteside is part of that team. BTW It's not your money.

Oh wow, that's completely false. Wade was an unrestricted free agent just like Lebron and Bosh. Are you just flinging **** and hope it sticks? What the hell does the big 3 have to do with my statement? Or even this offseason? That was a different collective bargaining agreement and a significantly lower cap level. You realize just about everyone was off the books that summer?

It's not a matter of it being my money. That's my line. I want Hassan to go wherever he wants and hopefully get whatever he feels he's worth and hopefully it's here. But max players don't get signed to come off benches behind another max player of the same position, they start or else $23 million dollar Bosh only plays what's leftover after Hassan's minutes or vice versa. That's my point. But with the front office throwing out there that they want to heavily pursue KD this offseason, how are they going to do that with wade, hassan, Dragic, and bosh on the books?

Mine was as false as your statement about Hassan being a bench player.

He's a starter and even when he came off the bench he played starter's minutes and finished the game.

Your argument about Bosh is also false. Hassan is a center, Bosh is a PF. If you are saying that Bosh is a center then I'm afraid Hassan is the better center. He and Deng have looked so much better than even Hassan and Bosh.

If you think Bosh can only play center then goodbye Chris - maybe Riles will do a sign and trade for KD with Bosh

Except that's not at all how I feel about that HIF. Read the post just above yours.

I'm not going to get into Bosh's position right now. I gotta get to work.

[Rich2Hassan]

Watching ESPN 30/30 on the Shaq era Magic and how he left to sign with LA Lakers, got me thinking about the Hassan situation. I feel like the same thing is going to happen. He will be lowballed and it will go down from there after he sees other nonskilled centers get big bucks.

[Shewasfly]

God willing Wade and Riley work their magic again and convince Whiteside to say. He said himself, he wants to win not just get paid. I think next year for sure Wade will lose a little more of a step and even if not he will be willing to concede the 1st option role to Hassan especially if he works hard and makes the obvious leap in his game. Wade has proven to be unselfish so he'd do it if that's what it took to get Hassan to stay, he's just not going to do it for inferior players like Dragic like ppl wanted him to (sorry not sorry Dragic fans). And I don't think Riley will have any problem matching the highest offers from other teams, so as long as Whiteside isn't offended that Riley doesn't offer him the max right off the bat, he can get everything he wants here.

I know Spo has screwed things up a little with being tough on him, but I understand his approach. Its just he does it with Hassan and not garbage players like McRoberts that is frustrating.

As for Bosh, unfortunately his contract is even worse now. I doubt it is tradeable and he chose not to announce any retirement, so we are stuck with him. It is not a bad thing if he is not limited next yr, but if he is we're really screwed.

[Chalm Down]

God willing Wade and Riley work their magic again and convince Whiteside to say. He said himself, he wants to win not just get paid. I think next year for sure Wade will lose a little more of a step and even if not he will be willing to concede the 1st option role to Hassan especially if he works hard and makes the obvious leap in his game. Wade has proven to be unselfish so he'd do it if that's what it took to get Hassan to stay, he's just not going to do it for inferior players like Dragic like ppl wanted him to (sorry not sorry Dragic fans). And I don't think Riley will have any problem matching the highest offers from other teams, so as long as Whiteside isn't offended that Riley doesn't offer him the max right off the bat, he can get everything he wants here.

I know Spo has screwed things up a little with being tough on him, but I understand his approach. Its just he does it with Hassan and not garbage players like McRoberts that is frustrating.

As for Bosh, unfortunately his contract is even worse now. I doubt it is tradeable and he chose not to announce any retirement, so we are stuck with him. It is not a bad thing if he is not limited next yr, but if he is we're really screwed.

Whiteside as 1st option would be...interesting to say the least.

[JWG324]

Not signing Whiteside because we have Bosh would be the worst decision in franchise history. Why would we let go of a young and improving asset for a player in Bosh that has missed half the year in consecutive years for the same diagnoses? It seems we would be putting our eggs in the wrong basket.

And if Bosh can play, why is it a bad thing? Having too many good players is a problem every team in the NBA would love to have. There are many ways we can go about this. One of them is obviously reducing Bosh's minutes since clearly his body can't handle the regular season. Also, Whiteside doesn't have to come off the bench. They can start together for a few minutes and then stagger their minutes after that. The end of 4th quarter would depend solely on the matchups.

[cyclix]

People actually believe Bosh is better and more impactful for the Heat than Whiteside? Nah... Pat Riley is smarter than that at least.

[Shewasfly]

God willing Wade and Riley work their magic again and convince Whiteside to say. He said himself, he wants to win not just get paid. I think next year for sure Wade will lose a little more of a step and even if not he will be willing to concede the 1st option role to Hassan especially if he works hard and makes the obvious leap in his game. Wade has proven to be unselfish so he'd do it if that's what it took to get Hassan to stay, he's just not going to do it for inferior players like Dragic like ppl wanted him to (sorry not sorry Dragic fans). And I don't think Riley will have any problem matching the highest offers from other teams, so as long as Whiteside isn't offended that Riley doesn't offer him the max right off the bat, he can get everything he wants here.

I know Spo has screwed things up a little with being tough on him, but I understand his approach. Its just he does it with Hassan and not garbage players like McRoberts that is frustrating.

As for Bosh, unfortunately his contract is even worse now. I doubt it is tradeable and he chose not to announce any retirement, so we are stuck with him. It is not a bad thing if he is not limited next yr, but if he is we're really screwed.

Whiteside as 1st option would be...interesting to say the least.

I mean in terms of him getting more touches. I think Wade would still be the primary decision maker, but we'd integrate him a lot more. I don't think its a bad idea. He has definitely improved a lot offensively in just a summer, I think he will grow some more.

[Chalm Down]

God willing Wade and Riley work their magic again and convince Whiteside to say. He said himself, he wants to win not just get paid. I think next year for sure Wade will lose a little more of a step and even if not he will be willing to concede the 1st option role to Hassan especially if he works hard and makes the obvious leap in his game. Wade has proven to be unselfish so he'd do it if that's what it took to get Hassan to stay, he's just not going to do it for inferior players like Dragic like ppl wanted him to (sorry not sorry Dragic fans). And I don't think Riley will have any problem matching the highest offers from other teams, so as long as Whiteside isn't offended that Riley doesn't offer him the max right off the bat, he can get everything he wants here.

I know Spo has screwed things up a little with being tough on him, but I understand his approach. Its just he does it with Hassan and not garbage players like McRoberts that is frustrating.

As for Bosh, unfortunately his contract is even worse now. I doubt it is tradeable and he chose not to announce any retirement, so we are stuck with him. It is not a bad thing if he is not limited next yr, but if he is we're really screwed.

Whiteside as 1st option would be...interesting to say the least.

I mean in terms of him getting more touches. I think Wade would still be the primary decision maker, but we'd integrate him a lot more. I don't think its a bad idea. He has definitely improved a lot offensively in just a summer, I think he will grow some more.

Maybe. Depends on what happens in free agency, Bosh's health, and how much Whiteside improves by next summer (if he re-signs here).

Though if the exact same roster came back with Bosh healthy, my prediction would be that Whiteside would have the 3rd most shot attempts at most. Especially if both Bosh and Whiteside start together, there's just so many shots to go around within one line-up.

[Tony15]

Can't believe you people managed to turn this into a Bosh vs Whiteside thing. If Bosh can't play anymore, this ceases to be an issue but since the opposite is just as likely if not more likely, there's no reason why both can't be on the same team. It would take some tinkering on Spo's part, but that's his job. But don't kid yourself, Bosh is still the better player when healthy as impactful as Hassan is.


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[Hallstar]

I don't think you cam rely on Bosh at this point, but unfortunately he still has 3 years left on his contract

[Heat_Fan_87]

ragardless about bosh, there is no question that in todays NBA, the secret to success is playing 1 big, and a bunch of guys that can shoot. it does nt make a lot of sense to invest over half our salary cap to two players that really need to play the same position.

[RexBoyWonder]

ragardless about bosh, there is no question that in todays NBA, the secret to success is playing 1 big, and a bunch of guys that can shoot. it does nt make a lot of sense to invest over half our salary cap to two players that really need to play the same position.

It makes more sense to have both and being able to trade one later if we can't make it work, then just losing one for nothing. Both are great assets to have when healthy.

[KingDavid]

ragardless about bosh, there is no question that in todays NBA, the secret to success is playing 1 big, and a bunch of guys that can shoot. it does nt make a lot of sense to invest over half our salary cap to two players that really need to play the same position.

And that is what I was alluding to the whole time. It's more a question of "what's our front office going to do?" And not "I want Chris/Hassan over Hassan/Chris."

[Flash4thewin]

ragardless about bosh, there is no question that in todays NBA, the secret to success is playing 1 big, and a bunch of guys that can shoot. it does nt make a lot of sense to invest over half our salary cap to two players that really need to play the same position.

It makes more sense to have both and being able to trade one later if we can't make it work, then just losing one for nothing. Both are great assets to have when healthy.

Whiteside and his agent are not idiots. They know Bosh cant be moved because of health concerns so again why would Whiteside sign knowing he is the person who will be traded? Why not just sign for a team that wants to make you a corner stone not a backup? This is like trying to sell McBob to Lebron as a reason to stay. It makes no sense. Heck Bosh is making speeches as the leader of the team making his presence felt crystal clear. We only started Whiteside at the end of the season when it was clear Bosh would not be able to play. What other reason was there to not start him? We wanted Bosh to slide back in as a starter and keep Whiteside off the bench had he been medically cleared.

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