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Post#61 » by TeamTragic » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:38 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Paul Coro mentions Jason Kidd as a wild card candidate. I do not see that happening, but if it did, I imagine it would guarantee that Knight is off the team. Anyway, might as well keep Watson because regardless of who is coaching next year, the team is still going to suck. You would need a major overhaul of the roster with awesome players to turn this thing around overnight. Like I said recently, even a team like the Timberwolves who are loaded with young talent were terrible this year. It is hard to win in this league with all 19-22 year olds unless their names are Magic, Bird, or Jordan.


If Kidd pushes for Knight being traded then I honestly would just hire him immediately :lol:
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Post#62 » by sunshoopjunky » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:54 pm

I am not sure how it could work with him signing this year as associate head coach with the Bulls, but I really like Jim Boylen. He has great credentials. He has coached under Popovich, Izzo, Heathcote, Vogel, Tomjanovich, and now Hoiberg. He is known for his defensive coaching. He has also done well as a shooting coach. Some articles say you can credit the Spurs shooting style to him. Including both FG and 3pt improvements to Parker, Leonard, Belinelli, Mills, and Green. He has been to the finals several times and has 3 rings. He has been in charge of recruiting, scouting, game preparation, player skill development, practice preparation, teaching perimeter players, positioning, shooting, recognition, video room, head coaching, and assistant coaching. He has almost 30 years of coaching experience. He has ridiculous blue collar work ethic, he is hard nosed, he has excelled working with big men earlier in his career and now put together a nice track record with perimeter players. I love the way he handles the media very Pop like. Players that have worked with him say that they find him loyal. The only drawback I see is I am not sure what his offensive style really is although he seems like he is not afraid to let rookies play. I think that will be important for us. If he picked up any of the fast pace stuff Hoiberg likes to do this season then maybe he could be a good defensive hybrid coach for us next? Any thoughts?

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-jim-boylen-rudy-t-spt-0616-20150615-story.html

http://www.bullstimes.com/bulls-found-a ... im-boylen/

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Post#63 » by bwgood77 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:48 am

I'm sure some of you heard this...I see a few posts back someone saying Burns and Gambo had Windhorst on..yeah, not the best source, but here is what is on their site...

The Phoenix Suns will be one of many NBA teams with a coaching vacancy this offseason.

That, along with other factors are expected to limit the Suns’ search for a new head coach according to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst.

“(The Suns job) is way down the list,” Windhorst said on Burns & Gambo on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM. “Way down the list, and that’s probably why Earl Watson is going to get the job.

“If they go out competing for the top coaches I don’t know if they can get one.”

The Suns finished the 2015-16 season with the fourth-worst record in the NBA, and although they had to deal with injuries to significant players, they still don’t have an attractive roster compared to other open positions according to Windhorst.

There are also questions about the top members of the Suns organization.

“If you look at the organizational structure and the talent level, those would not be considered as positives,” Windhorst said.

“There’s not people beating down the door to go work for Robert Sarver.”

The top candidate on the market is considered to be former Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, but both Windhorst and Arizona Sports’ John Gambadoro agree the Suns would not be willing to pay his salary.

The Suns’ roster is also a hindrance for Phoenix when compared to other openings.

“Talent on the roster (in) comparison to Washington, (in) comparison to Minnesota, my god, it’s a different stratosphere,” Windhorst said.

The Minnesota Timberwolves’ young core of Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins and the exciting backcourt of John Wall and Bradley Beal in Washington are expected to attract the best head coach candidates.


http://arizonasports.com/story/631234/windhorst-suns-are-way-down-the-list-of-teams-with-a-coaching-vacancy/
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Post#64 » by Frank Lee » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:02 am

I would consider Patrick Ewing, just for the X factor. I don't know how he'd do, but he is due.

Get this coach thing settled so Free Agents have time mull it over on who they will play for. Would Ewing have some pull for a guy like Horford ? Watson seems to have tremendous respect league wide too. Both could add positive balance vrs the soured departures from the multitude of McMully cast offs and meddling of Booby Sarver.

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Post#65 » by Damkac » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:55 pm

“Talent on the roster (in) comparison to Washington, (in) comparison to Minnesota, my god, it’s a different stratosphere,”

Minny have more talent but Wahington? Honestly I would never take their roster over Suns.
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Post#66 » by BobbieL » Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:00 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I'm sure some of you heard this...I see a few posts back someone saying Burns and Gambo had Windhorst on..yeah, not the best source, but here is what is on their site...

The Phoenix Suns will be one of many NBA teams with a coaching vacancy this offseason.

That, along with other factors are expected to limit the Suns’ search for a new head coach according to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst.

“(The Suns job) is way down the list,” Windhorst said on Burns & Gambo on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM. “Way down the list, and that’s probably why Earl Watson is going to get the job.

“If they go out competing for the top coaches I don’t know if they can get one.”

The Suns finished the 2015-16 season with the fourth-worst record in the NBA, and although they had to deal with injuries to significant players, they still don’t have an attractive roster compared to other open positions according to Windhorst.

There are also questions about the top members of the Suns organization.

“If you look at the organizational structure and the talent level, those would not be considered as positives,” Windhorst said.

“There’s not people beating down the door to go work for Robert Sarver.”

The top candidate on the market is considered to be former Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, but both Windhorst and Arizona Sports’ John Gambadoro agree the Suns would not be willing to pay his salary.

The Suns’ roster is also a hindrance for Phoenix when compared to other openings.

“Talent on the roster (in) comparison to Washington, (in) comparison to Minnesota, my god, it’s a different stratosphere,” Windhorst said.

The Minnesota Timberwolves’ young core of Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins and the exciting backcourt of John Wall and Bradley Beal in Washington are expected to attract the best head coach candidates.


http://arizonasports.com/story/631234/windhorst-suns-are-way-down-the-list-of-teams-with-a-coaching-vacancy/


Windhorst is horrible. But at least he has his right about the Suns - not talent, its - its the friggin owner.

But overall guys like Windhorst and Broussard just are not reliable for information. Aldridge is good. The real guy for the NBA we all know is Wojnarowski. So when he talks, I listen. Windbag, friend of LeBron - keep walking.
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Post#67 » by bwgood77 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:17 am

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bwgood77 wrote:I'm sure some of you heard this...I see a few posts back someone saying Burns and Gambo had Windhorst on..yeah, not the best source, but here is what is on their site...

The Phoenix Suns will be one of many NBA teams with a coaching vacancy this offseason.

That, along with other factors are expected to limit the Suns’ search for a new head coach according to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst.

“(The Suns job) is way down the list,” Windhorst said on Burns & Gambo on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM. “Way down the list, and that’s probably why Earl Watson is going to get the job.

“If they go out competing for the top coaches I don’t know if they can get one.”

The Suns finished the 2015-16 season with the fourth-worst record in the NBA, and although they had to deal with injuries to significant players, they still don’t have an attractive roster compared to other open positions according to Windhorst.

There are also questions about the top members of the Suns organization.

“If you look at the organizational structure and the talent level, those would not be considered as positives,” Windhorst said.

“There’s not people beating down the door to go work for Robert Sarver.”

The top candidate on the market is considered to be former Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, but both Windhorst and Arizona Sports’ John Gambadoro agree the Suns would not be willing to pay his salary.

The Suns’ roster is also a hindrance for Phoenix when compared to other openings.

“Talent on the roster (in) comparison to Washington, (in) comparison to Minnesota, my god, it’s a different stratosphere,” Windhorst said.

The Minnesota Timberwolves’ young core of Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins and the exciting backcourt of John Wall and Bradley Beal in Washington are expected to attract the best head coach candidates.


http://arizonasports.com/story/631234/windhorst-suns-are-way-down-the-list-of-teams-with-a-coaching-vacancy/


Windhorst is horrible. But at least he has his right about the Suns - not talent, its - its the friggin owner.

But overall guys like Windhorst and Broussard just are not reliable for information. Aldridge is good. The real guy for the NBA we all know is Wojnarowski. So when he talks, I listen. Windbag, friend of LeBron - keep walking.

I agree. The only espn guys I like are Lowe and Pelton.
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Post#68 » by bigfoot » Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:23 am

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/720671832399949824[/tweet]


Interesting that Telly will only re-sign with the Suns if Watson is the coach.
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Post#69 » by bwgood77 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:00 am

Watson is starting to seem like a good choice.
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Post#70 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:03 am

BobbieL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I'm sure some of you heard this...I see a few posts back someone saying Burns and Gambo had Windhorst on..yeah, not the best source, but here is what is on their site...

The Phoenix Suns will be one of many NBA teams with a coaching vacancy this offseason.

That, along with other factors are expected to limit the Suns’ search for a new head coach according to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst.

“(The Suns job) is way down the list,” Windhorst said on Burns & Gambo on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM. “Way down the list, and that’s probably why Earl Watson is going to get the job.

“If they go out competing for the top coaches I don’t know if they can get one.”

The Suns finished the 2015-16 season with the fourth-worst record in the NBA, and although they had to deal with injuries to significant players, they still don’t have an attractive roster compared to other open positions according to Windhorst.

There are also questions about the top members of the Suns organization.

“If you look at the organizational structure and the talent level, those would not be considered as positives,” Windhorst said.

“There’s not people beating down the door to go work for Robert Sarver.”

The top candidate on the market is considered to be former Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, but both Windhorst and Arizona Sports’ John Gambadoro agree the Suns would not be willing to pay his salary.

The Suns’ roster is also a hindrance for Phoenix when compared to other openings.

“Talent on the roster (in) comparison to Washington, (in) comparison to Minnesota, my god, it’s a different stratosphere,” Windhorst said.

The Minnesota Timberwolves’ young core of Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins and the exciting backcourt of John Wall and Bradley Beal in Washington are expected to attract the best head coach candidates.


http://arizonasports.com/story/631234/windhorst-suns-are-way-down-the-list-of-teams-with-a-coaching-vacancy/


Windhorst is horrible. But at least he has his right about the Suns - not talent, its - its the friggin owner.

But overall guys like Windhorst and Broussard just are not reliable for information. Aldridge is good. The real guy for the NBA we all know is Wojnarowski. So when he talks, I listen. Windbag, friend of LeBron - keep walking.


I want Watson just because of what that fat airbag said about him. I want them to hire Watson and then blow peoples doors off next year.
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Post#71 » by Frank Lee » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:27 am

Watson is the logical choice. Ink him to 2-3 no harm no foul. And sign Telly. Then go all in for Horford.

Can't undo a Gordian knot of past mistakes, but a solid signing like Horford brings instant cred AND restores some excitement in the fan base
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Post#72 » by TeamTragic » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:36 am

Frank Lee wrote:Watson is the logical choice. Ink him to 2-3 no harm no foul. And sign Telly. Then go all in for Horford.

Can't undo a Gordian knot of past mistakes, but a solid signing like Horford brings instant cred AND restores some excitement in the fan base


Signing Horford not only is stupid but turns this team into a never ending treadmill carousel. Do you want to constantly get smashed in the first round by Golden State/San Antonio as the seven/eight seed?

Is that you Sarver? Please stop with this nonsense :noway:
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Post#73 » by bwgood77 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:40 am

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Frank Lee wrote:Watson is the logical choice. Ink him to 2-3 no harm no foul. And sign Telly. Then go all in for Horford.

Can't undo a Gordian knot of past mistakes, but a solid signing like Horford brings instant cred AND restores some excitement in the fan base


Signing Horford not only is stupid but turns this team into a never ending treadmill carousel. Do you want to constantly get smashed in the first round by Golden State/San Antonio as the seven/eight seed?

Is that you Sarver? Please stop with this nonsense :noway:


He won't sign here anyway. Probably stay where he is, but possibly go to a place like Boston.
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Post#74 » by Frank Lee » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:46 am

Yeah sure GT... You are right... Let's shy away from legit talent and bank on more lotto shots with a rook PF

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Post#75 » by TeamTragic » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:56 am

Frank Lee wrote:Yeah sure GT... You are right... Let's shy away from legit talent and bank on more lotto shots with a rook PF

You can't be afraid to compete


Being the 7th/8th seed in the Western Conference is not competing. Are you currently watching the play-offs or are you busy staring outside at your garden?
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Post#76 » by Frank Lee » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:21 am

GoranTragic wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Yeah sure GT... You are right... Let's shy away from legit talent and bank on more lotto shots with a rook PF

You can't be afraid to compete


Being the 7th/8th seed in the Western Conference is not competing. Are you currently watching the play-offs or are you busy staring outside at your garden?


man.... you are the one with the flowerpot hat.... if you think McMully will pass on trying to make the playoffs with a big FA or trade then truly you have compost for brains. jeez... could it be possible we make the 6th seed? But since you are so chickensheety afraid of playing GSt orSA, why even bother ?

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Post#77 » by TeamTragic » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:41 am

Frank Lee wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Yeah sure GT... You are right... Let's shy away from legit talent and bank on more lotto shots with a rook PF

You can't be afraid to compete


Being the 7th/8th seed in the Western Conference is not competing. Are you currently watching the play-offs or are you busy staring outside at your garden?


man.... you are the one with the flowerpot hat.... if you think McMully will pass on trying to make the playoffs with a big FA or trade then truly you have compost for brains. jeez... could it be possible we make the 6th seed? But since you are so chickensheety afraid of playing GSt orSA, why even bother ?

fn cowards never know what they are capable of


Just because you have nearly 8K posts doesn't make you an expert. Again are you watching the playoffs? The sixth seed is currently losing by 42 points because they are hot garbage mulch.

We are in 2016 and the NBA requires super-high level talent to succeed. I said succeed not get blasted in the first round and become a laughing stock (see Raptors).
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Post#78 » by GMATCallahan » Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:59 am

cosmofizzo wrote:Coaching search thread!! All rumors, speculation, suggestions, etc. here!

I doubt it will be Watson. Good guy, but probably a better coach for a team more solidly in the "rebuilding" category. After this draft, I can't see us staying down - we'll be moving up the standings and trying to compete for 2017 free agents, not the 2017 draft class. Besides, we have a small insurance policy in that Miami pick...

So who's it gonna be? Thibs? Walton? D'Antoni's probably taking over in Philly, and Wright's not coming here. I, for one, would prefer to see a seasoned coach who can instill discipline and focus on X's and O's rather than character. We no longer have any rotten Morrises to keep in check. We don't need a player's coach to take orders from a LeBron. We need a general. We have the talent, now we just need to make it work for us.

I've never been more interested in getting a top-notch coach than I am right now. The coaching problem was evident as early as preseason, when we got our butts kicked by Dallas's much worse roster. No reason for that. Now is the time to get a great coach and start moving up the standings. Now. GO GET HIM, MCD!!!


I am not sure that the Suns will stick with Watson, but I fail to see how they are not "solidly in the rebuilding category." The draft is a crap-shoot, especially in this era—Phoenix is not going to be drafting Tim Duncan or Grant Hill with four years of college experience, a polished product ready to play at an elite NBA level right away. Just look at how Minnesota fared this season with the last two number-one overall draft picks, Anthony Wiggins and Karl Anthony-Towns—and both of those guys have "hit." Yet even with them and another high lottery pick of relatively recent vintage, Ricky Rubio, the Wolves have remained awful. Presumably, they will improve in the years ahead, but the point is that they are involved in a long-term building process, as the Suns could be as well. Indeed, what does "trying to compete for 2017 free agents" even mean? Outside of Steve Nash, how many good free agents under the age of thirty-three have Phoenix signed since the 1990s? And how much value did the Suns receive from Tom Gugliotta, Luc Longley, and Anfernee Hardaway after inking them in 1999? Free agency is a crap-shoot, much like the draft.

For all that we know, the Suns could be five years away (if that), and they absolutely need to keep developing character. Phoenix's roster is nowhere near the point of having an array of polished, mature, cohesive pieces in place who simply need strategic refinement. Devin Booker is very promising, but he needs to become much more consistent. Alex Len remains a project. Brandon Knight is a question mark at best, Eric Bledsoe remains an inadequate playmaker with questionable knees, T.J. Warren's all-around game still needs a lot of work, Archie Goodwin remains an uncertain proposition, and where defensive-minded veterans like P.J. Tucker, Ronnie Price, and Tyson Chandler fit into the mix moving forward is also debatable. The Suns might as well place an enormous "Under Construction" banner on the arena's edifice, and that banner may be in place for years.

The Suns have a lot of reasonable coaching options to pursue—Watson,Walton, D'Antoni, Dan Majerle, Scott Brooks, maybe even Jeff Van Gundy. But the roster is certainly in a rebuilding state, and it was not better than Dallas' roster last preseason. People (media members and analysts like Mark Jackson, too) have been overrating the quality of Phoenix's personnel for a long time now. Sure, there are some guys with some ability, some guys who can play, but in the NBA, you need a lot more than that in order to win on a consistent basis.

The Suns should be better next year, yes, but they have a long ways to go just to make the playoffs.
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Post#79 » by GMATCallahan » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:04 am

bwgood77 wrote:I agree. The only espn guys I like are Lowe and Pelton.


... even worse are most of their broadcasters ...

But then, the NBA media is terrible in general—unless you want to listen to an endless parade of shallow cliches, promotional bromides, and intellectually frivolous talking points: "You need a superstar to win in the playoffs," "Who would win between the 1996 Bulls and the 2015 Warriors," "Allen Iverson might have been the greatest small guard in the history of the game," and so on and so forth.

When I say that the intellectual level of NBA media discourse is pretty much the same as what you will hear on E!, I mean it ...

Actually, if Joel McHale is still on E!, it might be higher over there ...
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Post#80 » by DirtyDez » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:14 am

GMATCallahan wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:Coaching search thread!! All rumors, speculation, suggestions, etc. here!

I doubt it will be Watson. Good guy, but probably a better coach for a team more solidly in the "rebuilding" category. After this draft, I can't see us staying down - we'll be moving up the standings and trying to compete for 2017 free agents, not the 2017 draft class. Besides, we have a small insurance policy in that Miami pick...

So who's it gonna be? Thibs? Walton? D'Antoni's probably taking over in Philly, and Wright's not coming here. I, for one, would prefer to see a seasoned coach who can instill discipline and focus on X's and O's rather than character. We no longer have any rotten Morrises to keep in check. We don't need a player's coach to take orders from a LeBron. We need a general. We have the talent, now we just need to make it work for us.

I've never been more interested in getting a top-notch coach than I am right now. The coaching problem was evident as early as preseason, when we got our butts kicked by Dallas's much worse roster. No reason for that. Now is the time to get a great coach and start moving up the standings. Now. GO GET HIM, MCD!!!


I am not sure that the Suns will stick with Watson, but I fail to see how they are not "solidly in the rebuilding category." The draft is a crap-shoot, especially in this era—Phoenix is not going to be drafting Tim Duncan or Grant Hill with four years of college experience, a polished product ready to play at an elite NBA level right away. Just look at how Minnesota fared this season with the last two number-one overall draft picks, Anthony Wiggins and Karl Anthony-Towns—and both of those guys have "hit." Yet even with them and another high lottery pick of relatively recent vintage, Ricky Rubio, the Wolves have remained awful. Presumably, they will improve in the years ahead, but the point is that they are involved in a long-term building process, as the Suns could be as well. Indeed, what does "trying to compete for 2017 free agents" even mean? Outside of Steve Nash, how many good free agents under the age of thirty-three have Phoenix signed since the 1990s? And how much value did the Suns receive from Tom Gugliotta, Luc Longley, and Anfernee Hardaway after inking them in 1999? Free agency is a crap-shoot, much like the draft.

For all that we know, the Suns could be five years away, and they absolutely need to keep developing character. Phoenix's roster is nowhere near the point of having an array of polished, mature, cohesive pieces in place who simply need strategic refinement. Devin Booker is very promising, but he needs to become much more consistent. Alex Len remains a project. Brandon Knight is a question mark at best, Eric Bledsoe remains an inadequate playmaker with questionable knees, T.J. Warren's all-around game still needs a lot of work, Archie Goodwin remains an uncertain proposition, and where defensive-minded veterans like P.J. Tucker, Ronnie Price, and Tyson Chandler fit into the mix moving forward is also debatable. The Suns might as well place an enormous "Under Construction" banner on the arena's edifice, and that banner may be in place for years.

The Suns have a lot of reasonable coaching options to pursue—Watson,Walton, D'Antoni, Dan Majerle, Scott Brooks, maybe even Jeff Van Gundy. But the roster is certainly in a rebuilding state, and it was not better than Dallas' roster last preseason. People (media members and analysts like Mark Jackson, too) have been overrating the quality of Phoenix's personnel for a long time now. Sure, there are some guys with some ability, some guys who can play, but in the NBA, you need a lot more than that in order to win on a consistent basis.

The Suns should be better next year, yes, but they have a long ways to go just to make the playoffs.


The 09' Thunder won 23 games and went the WCF's two years later. If the Wolves get Thibbs I can see a similar scenario playing out. As for Majerle i doubt the Suns put themselves in a situation where they could possibly be spurned by a coach in the WAC.
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