Our team is Kyle Lowry, and he is injured /hurt

[Randle McMurphy]

I'm saying that it shouldn't make him turn over the ball about 6 times, make poor passing decisions, and not hustle. Lowry's game isn't all about his shooting. And he's looked better shooting the ball in the games leading up to this game.

He's looked bad for well over a month now (at least by the incredible standards he set from November-February). Hell, he was shooting under 70% from the line in the preceding 20 games before this one (after a season spent hovering around 90%). And you're seriously trying to tell me this guy is healthy?

The only chance this team had to win a playoff series was to sit him down far more than they did and allow him to (hopefully) recover, but they didn't do it. His performance was hardly surprising.

I'm arguing that he probably never will be healthy as long as he is the lead guard. We sat him 4-5 times near the end of the season, which is about the average amount for any star player. Every year it seems the amount of games we "need" to sit him goes longer and longer; should have sat him 7 games, 10 games, 15 games. Most NBA players are nursing some injury or another by this time of the year. Chris Paul is ALWAYS banged up come April and he still is effective every year in the playoffs on an individual level.

You seemed to be arguing that he was some kind of choker. He might very well be that, but it's pretty obvious that there are far bigger issues going on with him physically right now (and it's been evident in his level of play for quite some time).

As far as your other assertion, you may be right. Lowry has been unable to sustain his high level over the 82 game season due to injuries/fatigue and may never be able to. If that's the case, though, this team should be broken up immediately. He is very much the only elite player on it. Without him, they'd barely be a .500 team (as we, in effect, basically saw today and saw last year against the Wizards).

[Indiana Jones]

Not hurt. He's just not good under pressure. Choker is another world that aptly describes his playoff performances.

[LLJ]

You seemed to be arguing that he was some kind of choker. He might very well be that, but it's pretty obvious that there are far bigger issues going on with him physically right now (and it's been evident in his level of play for quite some time).

As far as your other assertion,, you may be right. Lowry has been unable to sustain his high level over the 82 game season due to injuries/fatigue). If that's the case, though, this team should be broken up immediately. He is very much the only elite player on it. Without him, they'd barely be a .500 team (as we, in effect, basically saw today and saw last year against the Wizards).

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I don't believe he is 100% healthy, but I also don't believe his poor play today was all on his elbow. If his shooting only suffered I could buy it, but his all around game was just awful. So I do think he laid an egg, at least today.

[dalton749]

I think the issue is much more demar than Kyle. The offense is set up for him to get his, and when that's not happening there are no other good looks generated because he's a ball stopper. Our offence today was going at their 2 best defenders, a horrible game plan. If this happens in game 2, demar needs to be sat on the bench so that an equal opportunity offence can be played with Carroll and Powell starting

[da6god]

derozan sign and trade+ tross for lakers top pick this year + julius randle clarkson and some other mixture of young players

hand the 2 guard keys to powell

trade kyle and DC to philly for top pick

draft ingram, and jamaal murray and ben simmons

bring wiggins home...

JV /BB (both only 23 years of age- resign BB)
Julius Randle/ Ben Simmons
Wiggins/ Ingram
Powell/Jordan Clarkson
Jamaal Murray/Corey Joseph/Delon Wright

future set



lol

ps dont take this post seriously...

[tecumseh18]

Clearly Lowry is hurt. I was hoping that a cortizone injection would help his obvious problem, but maybe it hasn't kicked in yet.

In any case, the real issue with this team is that there is no #2. We saw in the Pistons game when Kyle was out that DD couldn't pick up the slack, certainly not the way Lowry and the team generally can make up for for DD's absence.

Lowry isn't really the problem. DeRozen not being a legitimate two-way #2 is. The playoffs will reveal all, just in the nick of time (before we overpay him).

[Young_Buc]

All season lowry missed fts in the final 2 minutes.

He's just (outside of the Cleveland game) not clutch. He doesn't want the ball with the game on the line. We've only had one player in history who did.

[Volcano]

We probably have a better chance with DD, Lowry, Scola on the bench and Carroll minutes reduced

[whoknows]

our guards are chock artists = reality why keeping BC's core is stupid

[G R E Y]

Didn't read through the thread so perhaps this is reiterating what's been stated already, but in the post-game presser, Kyle explicitly said that his elbow is fine. He needs to and is simply working on his shot. His 3 has been falling before the playoffs, and the FTs not, so it seems to be more of a mental thing. I don't know why he's hitting this glass ceiling in the playoffs, but it's clear that - unless he's flat out lying about an injury - his shooting issues are mental, not physical.

[HiMyNameIsTrey]

A hurt or injured Kyle Lowry is still a guy I want on the floor. He can still make some things happen even if his shot is off. A healthy useless Derozan should be glued to the bench.

[footballitis]

WoW.
I have been lurking these fourms for 10+ years and I have tolerated the VC era, Bargs era and the Bosh era and the Derozan Era is the falsest of the all

Derozan, no matter how hard we works or how good he is to the media is not a Bosh or VC. He is on the Bargs level and we have to accept that. That doesn't mean I'm going to give up on this play offs. He is a top 3 option on a good team and that's how we should see him. Not a franchise, not a 1a or 1b, but a 3a or 3b that can be replace by a decent role player on a decent contract.

Let's celebrate Derozen's commitment to the franchise and his mediocrity this playoffs. Then let's trade him for a depth wing and a young player who can move the ball and make other people better.

[WWSRD]

He not legend. He's got rice crispy balls.

[HiMyNameIsTrey]

WoW.
I have been lurking these fourms for 10+ years and I have tolerated the VC era, Bargs era and the Bosh era and the Derozan Era is the falsest of the all

Derozan, no matter how hard we works or how good he is to the media is not a Bosh or VC. He is on the Bargs level and we have to accept that. That doesn't mean I'm going to give up on this play offs. He is a top 3 option on a good team and that's how we should see him. Not a franchise, not a 1a or 1b, but a 3a or 3b that can be replace by a decent role player on a decent contract.

Let's celebrate Derozen's commitment to the franchise and his mediocrity this playoffs. Then let's trade him for a depth wing and a young player who can move the ball and make other people better.

Just let him walk and give Powell his spot. We won't skip a beat. Glorified role player.

[dekobedeharden]

Kyle lowry shouldnt be our team.. he should be a player on our team. This is why we wont make it anywhere.

[Boogie!]

kyle lowry's physical "injury" is not why hes playing like ****. the only thing hurting him right now is his psyche. hes a choker... he has a couple of bad games and gets in his own head and it spirals out of control... part of me thinks this is the real reason he played like **** to end last year and is playing like **** again now... its also a key reason to why he cant shoot free throws anymore... hes just lost confidence and idk if hes gonna get it back...

[mattkobe1984]

Their ball movement just consist of passing around the 3 point line. We need to attack the high post more to get the Indy d moving. If warriors run our play they would be easy to stop too, we are running play as if we have iverson and Kobe on our team.

The fact the matter is kl and DD are not those type of player that can create their own shots come playoff time. Regular season they get calls and teams sag off so they can get the easier looks. But playoffs are different, we got shooters and big man, we need to use them to open up the game. We are obviously are more talented team so let's see how the coach adjust


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[Boogie!]

All season lowry missed fts in the final 2 minutes.

He's just (outside of the Cleveland game) not clutch. He doesn't want the ball with the game on the line. We've only had one player in history who did.

kyle definitely wants the ball in clutch, he just has a problem making things happen... same with derozan... they just cant handle good defenses man... kyle lowry took a bunch of 3s he can make and bricked them... those 3 pointers are a huge part of his offense... if he cant make those were done...

and demar, im tired of watching this guy man... he just cant do anything... he cant make anything happen... he dribbles trying to attack but he physically cant blow by his man, so he stops tries to pump fake, they stay down because obviously theyve scouted him well by now and then he just kicks it out with like 5 seconds left on the clock... either that, or hell try to pull up for a jumper, realizes hes heavily contested then mid air will try to kick it out and either turn it over, or again leave the dude to panic with 5 seconds left... and when he doesnt have the ball, he just floats around the perimeter, which obviously is pointless because he cant catch and shoot 3 pointers... so even when he does get a kick out, instead of confidently shooting the 3, he tries to drive by his man, runs into help and either forces up a stupid shot or repeats one of the first scenarios i listed... hes so **** predictable and ineffective...

[ballislife]

kyle lowry's physical "injury" is not why hes playing like ****. the only thing hurting him right now is his psyche. hes a choker... he has a couple of bad games and gets in his own head and it spirals out of control... part of me thinks this is the real reason he played like **** to end last year and is playing like **** again now... its also a key reason to why he cant shoot free throws anymore... hes just lost confidence and idk if hes gonna get it back...

This is exactly what I'm thinking. And it was noted by our broadcasters during the game when he was missing FTs. It's all mental.

During the last month or so of the season he was really only missing shots at the FT line at the end of games when it counted most. He's a clutch defender, but offensively, I think he takes that pressure to win a game to his head and effs up.

I really hope I'm wrong... I really don't want to see another year of disappointment as a higher seed. We still got time... I think it all depends on the next game to see what we really want to do. If we come out and fight and win, we're in this. If we lose... this is a lot like last seasons playoffs. That "it" factor Pierce was saying we didn't have will be true.

[MS13]

Give Lowry some slack, at least he brought his defence today. My anger is towards a choker who is about to get a max contract off of Kyle's success running this team.

This. Kyle at least tried on defence. Whenever DD guarded George I knew it was an automatic 2-3 pts. And when DD shot the ball I knew it was going to be a **** brick. Such an awful, awful player when his shots aren't falling. Ugly basketball to watch.