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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#41 » by Coeur » Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:30 am

nomansland wrote:If Brown and Hield are gone, I bet Denver takes him at 7.

I'd love him on the Nugs. Huge lineup and Gary Harris will be a better fit off the bench as a 6th man.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#42 » by MalonesElbows » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:10 pm

Just another older euro who isn't even good in the weak Adriatic league. Hype on.
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Post#43 » by Mustinjo » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:13 pm

Yeah, that weak Adriatic league sure didn't produce any legit players in last couple of drafts.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#44 » by NuggetsWY » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:45 pm

MalonesElbows wrote:Just another older euro who isn't even good in the weak Adriatic league. Hype on.

Yeah, those 21 year olds need to bring their own wheel chairs.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#45 » by H2tObes » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:51 pm

I have said for a while that he looks like a top 10 talent. Sorry to all the hopefuls that want him to fall to late lottery, he won't make it past the Bucks. John Hammond constantly drafts players in the 1st with his exact mold, athletic kids with freakishly long arms. I'm starting to doubt he makes it to us at #10
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#46 » by Von Bismarck » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:10 pm

MalonesElbows wrote:Just another older euro who isn't even good in the weak Adriatic league. Hype on.


Weak compared to what, NBA? Yeah, any league is weak compared to NBA. But, I need to tell you that the ABA league is TOP 5 in Europe, so no, it's not weak. Besides that, ABA gave many NBA players, good and even great ones.

But, to be honest, Luwawu is French product, he only played in ABA for 1 year and it'd be unfair to say he's ABA's product.

That being said, I think Luwawu will be mid/late lottery pick. Somewhere between 8 and 12.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#47 » by SlowPaced » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:26 am

nbadraft.net dropped him to #33 in their last Mock. Wanna know what it is that they're smoking.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#48 » by brackdan70 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:20 am

SlowPaced wrote:nbadraft.net dropped him to #33 in their last Mock. Wanna know what it is that they're smoking.


they read on here that ABA is weak.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#49 » by MrTwister » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:46 am

SlowPaced wrote:nbadraft.net dropped him to #33 in their last Mock. Wanna know what it is that they're smoking.

I am not huge Givony and DX fan but what nbadraft.net does with some mocks are nothing short but terrible.Some measurements are off, especially for some euro players, Korkmaz is rated higher than Luwawu even though he doesn't have NBA ready body yet, some at least questionable 1st round picks(Diallo,Maker,Yabouselle), Zubac is going undrafted,Zizic late 2nd rounder.Probably some of these stuff gonna be corrected but still, doesn't change the fact that DX is vastly superior than any other draft/scouting website.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#50 » by franckyvinvin12 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:27 am

MrTwister wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:nbadraft.net dropped him to #33 in their last Mock. Wanna know what it is that they're smoking.

I am not huge Givony and DX fan but what nbadraft.net does with some mocks are nothing short but terrible.Some measurements are off, especially for some euro players, Korkmaz is rated higher than Luwawu even though he doesn't have NBA ready body yet, some at least questionable 1st round picks(Diallo,Maker,Yabouselle), Zubac is going undrafted,Zizic late 2nd rounder.Probably some of these stuff gonna be corrected but still, doesn't change the fact that DX is vastly superior than any other draft/scouting website.

Totally agree. Eurohopes also does a good job keeping tabs on european players, sometimes overrating them though.
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Post#51 » by rick_21 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:22 am

I can see him becoming a usable two way player, but I don't get quite the hype as some of you that see him close to a top-5 prospect.

He has good physical profile, as he is big for a perimeter player, has long arms and good frame. However, when I have seen him, his athleticism has looked a bit underwhelming IMO. He is not overly quick and his explosiveness is certainly subpar.

Then, I'm not sold on his skill set. He scores at a high rate (19 pts/40 min PA) but he is very unefficient: 39% FG and you can clearly see that he has a lot of trouble finishing in the paint, mostly due to his average explosiveness and vertical agility, as I said, he seems to be long but not overly athletic in half court situations, phisically he looks like Tyreke Evans but lacks the creativity, craftiness and body control that allows Evans (or used to, before his injuries) to finish in the paint at a very good rate.

Another huge red flag that I see in Luwawu is that he tries to create a lot and run the offense through him, but he doesn't have the advanced handles or passing skills that he would need to create consistently, and also his average athleticism doesn't allow him to get into the paint and divide the defense regularly. The result is a negative assist to turnover ratio that does not look good to me for a player that is projected to be something more than a catch and shoot wing at the next level.

And lastly the defense. He has the tools to be a very good perimeter defender, I can see that, but he doesn't seem to be an aggresive type of defender and his fundamentals are not great. With a little bit of work, he will not be a defensive liability at all, but he's far away from being a lockdown defender even at Adriatic League level.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#52 » by NewWolvesOrder » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:02 pm

rick_21 wrote:I can see him becoming a usable two way player, but I don't get quite the hype as some of you that see him close to a top-5 prospect.

He has good physical profile, as he is big for a perimeter player, has long arms and good frame. However, when I have seen him, his athleticism has looked a bit underwhelming IMO. He is not overly quick and his explosiveness is certainly subpar.

Then, I'm not sold on his skill set. He scores at a high rate (19 pts/40 min PA) but he is very unefficient: 39% FG and you can clearly see that he has a lot of trouble finishing in the paint, mostly due to his average explosiveness and vertical agility, as I said, he seems to be long but not overly athletic in half court situations, phisically he looks like Tyreke Evans but lacks the creativity, craftiness and body control that allows Evans (or used to, before his injuries) to finish in the paint at a very good rate.

Another huge red flag that I see in Luwawu is that he tries to create a lot and run the offense through him, but he doesn't have the advanced handles or passing skills that he would need to create consistently, and also his average athleticism doesn't allow him to get into the paint and divide the defense regularly. The result is a negative assist to turnover ratio that does not look good to me for a player that is projected to be something more than a catch and shoot wing at the next level.

And lastly the defense. He has the tools to be a very good perimeter defender, I can see that, but he doesn't seem to be an aggresive type of defender and his fundamentals are not great. With a little bit of work, he will not be a defensive liability at all, but he's far away from being a lockdown defender even at Adriatic League level.


LOL, that's quite a different observation from DX scouting video.

And since you can't probably back up your claim with any sort of evidence : insert I don't believe you gif.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#53 » by Nuggets18 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:31 pm

nomansland wrote:If Brown and Hield are gone, I bet Denver takes him at 7.

I'm thinking Murray to Denver
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#54 » by nomansland » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:28 pm

Nuggets18 wrote:
nomansland wrote:If Brown and Hield are gone, I bet Denver takes him at 7.

I'm thinking Murray to Denver


I bet he's gone by then. Most mocks have him going 4th or 5th.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#55 » by Von Bismarck » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:42 pm

MrTwister wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:nbadraft.net dropped him to #33 in their last Mock. Wanna know what it is that they're smoking.

I am not huge Givony and DX fan but what nbadraft.net does with some mocks are nothing short but terrible.Some measurements are off, especially for some euro players, Korkmaz is rated higher than Luwawu even though he doesn't have NBA ready body yet, some at least questionable 1st round picks(Diallo,Maker,Yabouselle), Zubac is going undrafted,Zizic late 2nd rounder.Probably some of these stuff gonna be corrected but still, doesn't change the fact that DX is vastly superior than any other draft/scouting website.


Draft.net is ridiculous, DX always has better mocks.

I mean, looking at this new draft.net mock, Zizic and Zubac are first rounders for sure. Korkmaz rated higher than Luwawu is nonsense. Sabonis at 7 :lol:
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#56 » by MrTwister » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:50 pm

Von Bismarck wrote:
MrTwister wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:nbadraft.net dropped him to #33 in their last Mock. Wanna know what it is that they're smoking.

I am not huge Givony and DX fan but what nbadraft.net does with some mocks are nothing short but terrible.Some measurements are off, especially for some euro players, Korkmaz is rated higher than Luwawu even though he doesn't have NBA ready body yet, some at least questionable 1st round picks(Diallo,Maker,Yabouselle), Zubac is going undrafted,Zizic late 2nd rounder.Probably some of these stuff gonna be corrected but still, doesn't change the fact that DX is vastly superior than any other draft/scouting website.


Draft.net is ridiculous, DX always has better mocks.

I mean, looking at this new draft.net mock, Zizic and Zubac are first rounders for sure. Korkmaz rated higher than Luwawu is nonsense. Sabonis at 7 :lol:

He was 5th, ahead of Bender and Murray i think.
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Post#57 » by cellar-door » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:57 pm

Draft.Net does it for the clicks. I remember the year they had Aaron Gordon late teens all year then jumped him to top 8 the last week. They always clean it up the last week and go with something similar to DX, Ford, SI etc. For their final mock.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#58 » by doordoor123 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:26 pm

cellar-door wrote:Draft.Net does it for the clicks. I remember the year they had Aaron Gordon late teens all year then jumped him to top 8 the last week. They always clean it up the last week and go with something similar to DX, Ford, SI etc. For their final mock.


They jumped him because there were reports that he was going to go higher. As information comes out more mocks base their predictions on information that is out there.
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#59 » by LazyFailure » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:06 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
cellar-door wrote:Draft.Net does it for the clicks. I remember the year they had Aaron Gordon late teens all year then jumped him to top 8 the last week. They always clean it up the last week and go with something similar to DX, Ford, SI etc. For their final mock.


They jumped him because there were reports that he was going to go higher. As information comes out more mocks base their predictions on information that is out there.

AG was lock to go top 10 before college ball season ended though
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Re: Timothe Luwawu 

Post#60 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:03 pm

rick_21 wrote:I can see him becoming a usable two way player, but I don't get quite the hype as some of you that see him close to a top-5 prospect.

He has good physical profile, as he is big for a perimeter player, has long arms and good frame. However, when I have seen him, his athleticism has looked a bit underwhelming IMO. He is not overly quick and his explosiveness is certainly subpar.

Then, I'm not sold on his skill set. He scores at a high rate (19 pts/40 min PA) but he is very unefficient: 39% FG and you can clearly see that he has a lot of trouble finishing in the paint, mostly due to his average explosiveness and vertical agility, as I said, he seems to be long but not overly athletic in half court situations, phisically he looks like Tyreke Evans but lacks the creativity, craftiness and body control that allows Evans (or used to, before his injuries) to finish in the paint at a very good rate.

Another huge red flag that I see in Luwawu is that he tries to create a lot and run the offense through him, but he doesn't have the advanced handles or passing skills that he would need to create consistently, and also his average athleticism doesn't allow him to get into the paint and divide the defense regularly. The result is a negative assist to turnover ratio that does not look good to me for a player that is projected to be something more than a catch and shoot wing at the next level.

And lastly the defense. He has the tools to be a very good perimeter defender, I can see that, but he doesn't seem to be an aggresive type of defender and his fundamentals are not great. With a little bit of work, he will not be a defensive liability at all, but he's far away from being a lockdown defender even at Adriatic League level.


Yea, man.

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