Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread

[MrDollarBills]

oh no. he's a damn dog. do not be fooled by this clown. he's always "hurt" when the pressure is on. He was "hurt" vs. Miami where he ran from the ball and got his lunch eaten by Chalmers and Cole

**** him to the core of his soul. pray that he opts out. your #2 point is the main issue, not his body.

Well, if he doesn't opt out, he'd be on a great salary for the team!

And I just told you, he missed several games and made an effort to come back in Utah(where Barea was also injured). That was a huge game, a playoff decider for both teams and he did this: https://youtu.be/iTkW_y3E_2w

We're all limited in information as fans, but from what I can see or could witness throughout this season: YES, he is not that guy who will always bring energy and play with an edge. He is a liability in the energy department --- this is more evident when you actually saw him still take over some games and play good d --- he can do that some games, but will disappear in others.

But he wasn't a distraction or looked like he was a bad guy. Tiny things like being on the bench, supporting everyone, talking to rookies... he has done all of that. Meaning, it did not look like he was just stealing money. And since he is on an average salary, no negative attention is on him like in Brooklyn.

But physically, he is just too fragile... this is the main problem for me. And I'm sure this also plays a huge role in making it look like he is coasting during some games. Hell, he started the pre-season hurt... and now finishes the season hurt.

In any case, I really have no idea about what the Mavs will do, other than probably be looking to sign Whiteside and then go from there. Williams will not be the top priority and his contract should be limited to a two year deal.

BY THE WAY, another important aspect. Parsons, who was an idea about a guy the Nets could sign, he is not a good pairing with someone like Williams. Parsons also lacks that "edge" to compete every game --- on defence --- these two guys together will often make your team look very very soft. Something that you hate, but Parsons may be used as a stretch 4 at times and Hollis Jefferson can pick up the slack I guess.

Well he was stealing money here. But everything you said outside of being a good teammate (he was not here), is what he did here. Play soft as hell and show up every now and then.

I have no interest in Parsons anymore. The knee issues are alarming.

[MrDollarBills]

He looks softer in Dallas. The spotlight pushed him to produce must needed performances. I see him in Dallas deferring to Dirk and Matthews and it doesn't seem to bother him when the Mavs struggle and those two can't get it going and the only reason he isn't a problem in Dallas with attitude and complaining is because RC isn't getting fired. Cuban isn't living outside of the US and he doesn't have the NY lifestyle excuse anymore.

Dallas will retain him since the market for a PG is slim but I'd be surprised to see him starting for any team by 2017.

yep. a dog player. No desire to do anything but collect that check.

[Dirk]

That's really no different than what we saw here. He's still not that bad of a signing since you guys have little expectations of him, but he doesn't play well through pain, he's rarely aggressive, and he's a passive and streaky shooter. Occasionally he gets his legs under him and finds his shots, but when that doesn't happen...he's basically someone who brings up the ball, calls plays, and passes the ball within the offense.

Which isn't bad for someone asked to be a role player.

That's a good description

With the difference that he was this good at times:

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Have a look at the stats - sorted by points in the clutch:



What stands out are his %'s.

Before getting hurt and missing some games/playing in pain (from what is reported).

Basically, he would be passive through most of the game and then take over at the end. With the irony of his 3 point shooting improving dramatically.

For $5 million, it's a bargain. On his next contract (3 years 24-30 million?). Probably too risky all things considered.

[Prokorov]

deron lacks passion and effort. its probably not as big an issue in dallas, since a change of scenery can usually help that, at least in the short term. he isnt a big game player anymore, or at least wasnt while he was here othen then that outlier performance vs the hawks(which he followed up with a no show).

he looked bad game 1, and i wouldnt expect much as a dallas fan, and i wouldnt be suprised if thats what you get from him all series. I also wouldnt be suprised if he played well, again if his effort issues and diva mentally are going to be who he is here on out it probably take longer then a season for that to really dig in.

for dallas, he is worth keeping if he opts in. he isnt a core player there, is cheap for them and if you surround him with 2 way effort guys you can mask his issues

[Dirk]

deron lacks passion and effort. its probably not as big an issue in dallas, since a change of scenery can usually help that, at least in the short term. he isnt a big game player anymore, or at least wasnt while he was here othen then that outlier performance vs the hawks(which he followed up with a no show).

he looked bad game 1, and i wouldnt expect much as a dallas fan, and i wouldnt be suprised if thats what you get from him all series. I also wouldnt be suprised if he played well, again if his effort issues and diva mentally are going to be who he is here on out it probably take longer then a season for that to really dig in.

for dallas, he is worth keeping if he opts in. he isnt a core player there, is cheap for them and if you surround him with 2 way effort guys you can mask his issues

He is injured though. Everyone expects a sweep. The Mavs are depleted. So, I don't think he can really be judged when he is making a sacrifice to play.... trusting the reports that he is playing through pain.

The Mavs made the playoffs in large part because Barea was playing at a crazy level... and he also got hurt and is not playing in game 2. It's just a mess. You make the playoffs and then your team is so handicapped. No fun.

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[Paradise]

deron lacks passion and effort. its probably not as big an issue in dallas, since a change of scenery can usually help that, at least in the short term. he isnt a big game player anymore, or at least wasnt while he was here othen then that outlier performance vs the hawks(which he followed up with a no show).

he looked bad game 1, and i wouldnt expect much as a dallas fan, and i wouldnt be suprised if thats what you get from him all series. I also wouldnt be suprised if he played well, again if his effort issues and diva mentally are going to be who he is here on out it probably take longer then a season for that to really dig in.

for dallas, he is worth keeping if he opts in. he isnt a core player there, is cheap for them and if you surround him with 2 way effort guys you can mask his issues

He is injured though. Everyone expects a sweep. The Mavs are depleted. So, I don't think he can really be judged when he is making a sacrifice to play.... trusting the reports that he is playing through pain.

The Mavs made the playoffs in large part because Barea was playing at a crazy level... and he also got hurt and is not playing in game 2. It's just a mess. You make the playoffs and then your team is so handicapped. No fun.

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Dude has been injured for five straight seasons. I'm not discrediting the information on his situation in Dallas but we've been there and done that. His injuries come from his poor habits off the court. He came into camp out of shape quite a few times and blamed it on his ankles...which he constantly avoided fixing.

Deron Williams is that guy that your sister likes and sees potential in but everyone else knows this guy isn't any good. You and your sister end up falling out and arguing because she swears by this guys potential and he ends up proving her wrong and proves you to be right. The Mavs-Nets game was a prime example of that. Deron is serviceable in Dallas but be isn't ever going to be healthy, consistent or likable. Dallas should pursue other options this summer to be on the safe side.

[Dirk]

Dude has been injured for five straight seasons. I'm not discrediting the information on his situation in Dallas but we've been there and done that.

Deron Williams is that guy that your sister likes and sees potential in but everyone else knows this guy isn't any good. You and your sister end up falling out and arguing because she swears by this guys potential and he ends up proving her wrong and proves you to be right. The Mavs-Nets game was a prime example of that. He suddenly "forgets" his suit and decides to stay in the locker room. Meanwhile, his teammates like Wes Matthews are talking about rallying the troops to win in a hostile environment for him. Deron is serviceable in Dallas but be isn't ever going to be healthy, consistent or likable.

That's a good description , but I don't think anyone has high hopes of him anymore. It would change if the Mavs or some other team signed him to a significant contract, but he just is a broken down player who at times shows flashes of his past elite level.

Regarding this season, from reports, he has been a good soldier and I have no reason to doubt that he is injured and to your point about not showing up in the Netws game... as I wrote before, he returned from injury - sacrificing himself because Barea had gone down - in Utah... and that was a hostile reception. That was the Jazz's biggest game in years and he was booed whenever he had the ball.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/3766084-155/utah-jazz-williams-hears-boos-turns

Deron Williams heard the booing. Better yet, he heard the things being said toward him behind the Dallas Mavericks bench.

Yes, it motivated him. And as Jazz fans should remember, a motivated Deron Williams can be a lethal Deron Williams.

"For some reason, it was worse this year than it was in the past," Williams said. "I guess they needed a villain. ... I'll be that."

He played amazingly well in that game recently.

His season was just average. For $5 million, he did his job well enough.

[MrDollarBills]

that dog isn't worth the pussy that he was pushed out of. **** him

[vincecarter4pres]

Well damn...

[Paradise]

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[vincecarter4pres]

This Pacers game is nervous.

[NyCeEvO]

This Pacers game is nervous.

They're playing with house money since they've already won one. They're ok.

[MrDollarBills]

I hate Celtics fans, but that kid Isaiah Thomas is a STUD baller. NASTY. 21 PER 56TS%.... YIKES.

its crazy how he has been passed around the league like this.

[MrDollarBills]

Detroit got swept by CLE, but that was only due to youth, immaturity, and experience. That team's potential is frightening. their starting 5 might be one of the best in the sport but they're all young. reggie jackson needs to be mentored badly.

If they keep that talent pool together, that squad will be a problem in about a year in a half. Stan Van Gundy took that loss in stride because he knows. man. so jealous.

[Prokorov]

Detroit got swept by CLE, but that was only due to youth, immaturity, and experience. That team's potential is frightening. their starting 5 might be one of the best in the sport but they're all young. reggie jackson needs to be mentored badly.

If they keep that talent pool together, that squad will be a problem in about a year in a half. Stan Van Gundy took that loss in stride because he knows. man. so jealous.

eh... i like drummond alot, but how close to his ceiling is he? he couldnt take advantage of a smaller team and didnt have a big defensive impact or go HAM on the glass. love reggie, think he will be ok, but at his peak is he top 5 or 6 PG?

KCP is a nice role player, not a wing that will take you far. Stanley johnson probably has a jimmy butler ceiling. but he needs work to realize that potential. Morris is more of a role player.

i see them being a good team, maybe like between what the hawks and raptors are now. but i dont see them as having scary potential. they still need to find someone better then anyone they currently have to be taken seriously. they need an all-star wing. maybe stanley johnson becomes that guy?

[MrDollarBills]

I think Johnson is going to be legit.

The fought hard that entire series, they just need seasoning. I think Drummond was a bit overwhelmed being this was his first playoffs.

I like the addition of Tobias Harris as well.

[Paradise]

Steph Curry ruled out for 2 weeks and everyone starts thinking the Clippers have a shot at knocking off the Warriors without Curry and now Chris Paul breaks his hand. Just Wow. Terrible news in the span of 24 hours.

[NyCeEvO]

Steph Curry ruled out for 2 weeks and everyone starts thinking the Clippers have a shot at knocking off the Warriors without Curry and now Chris Paul breaks his hand. Just Wow. Terrible news in the span of 24 hours.

SMH...injuries are terrible.

[Prokorov]

Steph Curry ruled out for 2 weeks and everyone starts thinking the Clippers have a shot at knocking off the Warriors without Curry and now Chris Paul breaks his hand. Just Wow. Terrible news in the span of 24 hours.

sucks about curry, but im shedding no tears for chris paul. dont get me wrong, i wouldnt wish injury on anyone, but at the same time i have little sypmathy for a dirty player who goes around hitting dudes in the nuts and flops the way he does

[Paradise]

Looks like the Raptors aren't expecting to win tonight

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