The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[MrMiyagi]

^Wrong wiseman Miyagi, I saw a physic recently and she assured me the draft would go Lakers / Suns / Celtics.

You might want to get your money back, because you were looking for a psychic.

[AtheJ415]

^I know some people still believe Knight is on a bad contract but I would say it's a fair contract. Reggie Jackson is getting paid more than Knight and they average pretty similar numbers and Jackson is a year and a half older. We'll probably see Jeremy Lin and Dennis Schroeder (and possibly Ish Smith) get similar contracts if not get paid more than Knight. Rajon Rondo might be looking for his last fat paycheck. Point is, his contract isn't such a monstrosity as many of you are making it out to be.

Reggie Jackson is a better player than Knight, it is not even close. Numbers are not the true story, I do not care if Knight puts 20 points per game because I watch every game and I see his real impact on the game.

Reggie Jackson is better than Knight at everything but spot up shooting, just that.

Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson are on the same tier, but Jackson is even higher on that tier because he is not injury prone.

Bledsoe is better than Jackson, and it's not even close imo.

[mademan]

My trade targets over the next year:

Jonathan Simmons. Jamychal Green. Norman Powell. Josh Richardson.

Hustle players like Tucker are fine..but give me some pitbulls with athleticism and upside.

Cheap young players with potential who are on playoff teams. Why would they give them up?

[NavLDO]

Knight's contract is fine. I just don't think having him on the Suns is going to help us move forward, especially with his selfish style of play.

Yes, now his contract is fine, especially seeing what some players will be getting this offseason. I didn't say Knight's contract was bad (though, to me, he was overpaid this season); I said I'd be willing to take on a bad contract or two (further clarified meaning with picks attached) in order to relieve ourselves of Knight and Chandler. And like you said, he doesn't help us moving forward, and like I said, he's simply in the way, and he's going to sulk when he doesn't start (or the fanbase is going to implode if he starts over Booker).

Bledsoe is the starting PG--no dispute. Booker is the starting SG--no reasonable dispute of that fact either. So if Knight cannot see the writing on the wall, he's simply daft. And if opening day has Knight starting over either of those two, I feel sorry for the HC who is going to have to answer the media for that.

And sorry, Knight may not be on a bad contract--for a starter--of which he no longer is, in my mind, or any other rational fan. But for a back-up/6th man role? Even in a $92M Salary Cap world, $14M is too rich a contract for a backup Guard.

So all this being what it is, is why I feel he needs to find a new home this summer. And what I meant by taking on a "bad contract", is something like a Channing Frye-type contract; $10M or less.

[saintEscaton]

^I know some people still believe Knight is on a bad contract but I would say it's a fair contract. Reggie Jackson is getting paid more than Knight and they average pretty similar numbers and Jackson is a year and a half older. We'll probably see Jeremy Lin and Dennis Schroeder (and possibly Ish Smith) get similar contracts if not get paid more than Knight. Rajon Rondo might be looking for his last fat paycheck. Point is, his contract isn't such a monstrosity as many of you are making it out to be.

Reggie Jackson is a better player than Knight, it is not even close. Numbers are not the true story, I do not care if Knight puts 20 points per game because I watch every game and I see his real impact on the game.

Reggie Jackson is better than Knight at everything but spot up shooting, just that.

Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson are on the same tier, but Jackson is even higher on that tier because he is not injury prone.

Bledsoe is better than Jackson, and it's not even close imo.

Bledsoe is a better rebounder, gets to the line a little more , a good but not lockdown on the ball defender by any means, he will give up dribble penetration and sometimes recover with a flashy weakside block. But Jackson is a superior floor general who can slow it down in the halfcourt, dish more dimes and turns it over less

[DirtyDez]

So Jackson is better than Knight and it's not even close but Bledsoe is better than Jackson and it's not even close. Quite frankly neither of the 3 are good enough to have that much separation over the other.

[AtheJ415]

Reggie Jackson is a better player than Knight, it is not even close. Numbers are not the true story, I do not care if Knight puts 20 points per game because I watch every game and I see his real impact on the game.

Reggie Jackson is better than Knight at everything but spot up shooting, just that.

Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson are on the same tier, but Jackson is even higher on that tier because he is not injury prone.

Bledsoe is better than Jackson, and it's not even close imo.

Bledsoe is a better rebounder, gets to the line a little more , a good but not lockdown on the ball defender by any means, he will give up dribble penetration and sometimes recover with a flashy weakside block. But Jackson is a superior floor general who can slow it down in the halfcourt, dish more dimes and turns it over less

Bledsoe's D is a different stratosphere than Jackson's. Jackson is one of the worst defensive starting PGs in basketball (arguably the worst). And yes, he has been a lockdown defender in the past, even if he wasn't this season. It's hard to judge individual D when the team overall sucks defensively. That said, for a long period he lead all non PFs and Cs in blocks. That is epic for a PG.

Jackson is worse at scoring efficiency across the board. He is an inefficient volume chucker, and gets a whopping 0.1 more APG than Bledsoe and only 2% better TO%. Factor in that Bledsoe is top 3 or 5 in the NBA in setting up 3 point shots, and his assists are arguably more valuable. Jackson turns it over a little less, but also plays a much slower pace. He has a WS advantage, but his team has insanely more wins to share, which basically throws that out the window in this type of comparison. When you have to judge being a floor general by your team happening to have a slower offensive pace, then I don't know what to say. Jackson essentially pounded the rock for 24 seconds down 2 possessions at the end of a playoff game, taking wild off-balance shots that needed prayers to go in. We already have a guy like that, and everybody here hates him.

[AtheJ415]

So Jackson is better than Knight and it's not even close but Bledsoe is better than Jackson and it's not even close. Quite frankly neither of the 3 are good enough to have that much separation over the other.

Bledsoe is. All-star caliber before injury. The other 2 are at best solid starters.

[saintEscaton]

So Jackson is better than Knight and it's not even close but Bledsoe is better than Jackson and it's not even close. Quite frankly neither of the 3 are good enough to have that much separation over the other.

Bledsoe is. All-star caliber before injury. The other 2 are at best solid starters.

If Lillard didn't get the nod, no way Bledsoe would have even if healthy

[DirtyDez]

So Jackson is better than Knight and it's not even close but Bledsoe is better than Jackson and it's not even close. Quite frankly neither of the 3 are good enough to have that much separation over the other.

Bledsoe is. All-star caliber before injury. The other 2 are at best solid starters.

There's all-star caliber for half a season, there's all-star caliber for a full season and then there's BEING an all-star. I'm still waiting for the second one. This needs to be the year.

[Qwigglez]

Just wondering if the Rockets were to call and offer James Harden for Brandon Knight, Devin Booker, our 2017 pick (no protection), Miami's 2018 pick and the right to trade picks with the Miami 2021 pick would you guys accept it?

[Saberestar]

So Jackson is better than Knight and it's not even close but Bledsoe is better than Jackson and it's not even close. Quite frankly neither of the 3 are good enough to have that much separation over the other.

Knight is the worst of those three. That is for sure.

[Jarlaxle0204]

Just wondering if the Rockets were to call and offer James Harden for Brandon Knight, Devin Booker, our 2017 pick (no protection), Miami's 2018 pick and the right to trade picks with the Miami 2021 pick would you guys accept it?

I personally wouldn't. I actually don't want any part of Harden. He seems lazy and cancerous.

[Saberestar]

Just wondering if the Rockets were to call and offer James Harden for Brandon Knight, Devin Booker, our 2017 pick (no protection), Miami's 2018 pick and the right to trade picks with the Miami 2021 pick would you guys accept it?

Tough question.I love Booker but I probably would make that trade.

[Saberestar]

The Suns have seven guaranteed contracts on the books for the 2016-17 season that along with the last year of Michael Beasley’s stretched contract, total to $50,291,480.

That gives the Suns a possible $41,708,520 in salary cap space.

The number would have to include the Suns letting go of the last year of P.J. Tucker’s $5.3 million non-guaranteed deal, the last two years of John Jenkins’ $1.05 million per year non-guaranteed deal and the last year of Alan Williams’ $874,636 non-guaranteed deal.

Even if Tucker, Jenkins and Williams were to all stick around, Phoenix would still have $34,482,923 in cap space.

If the Suns hold their current draft position and keep all three of their first-round picks (No. 4, No. 13 and No. 28), their cap space number would be at $28,093,423.

The Suns’ unrestricted free agents are Mirza Teletovic, Jon Leuer, Ronnie Price and Chase Budinger.

http://arizonasports.com/story/634357/phoenix-suns-projected-salary-cap-space-for-2016-free-agency/

[Qwigglez]

So add in Bogdan, keep Mirza and we got 12-15mil to spend. Looking good.

[bwgood77]

So add in Bogdan, keep Mirza and we got 12-15mil to spend. Looking good.

I doubt Bogdan comes over yet, if he is still locked into rookie contract (though I don't know if it means he would just have 1 more year on what that contract would have been or what).

We will likely be hard pressed to find many or any really good players to sign anyway, and it might be best we don't have a ton of cap space so we don't hand out the likes of $70 million to a guy like Knight and $52 million to a guy like Chandler.

[bwgood77]

Just wondering if the Rockets were to call and offer James Harden for Brandon Knight, Devin Booker, our 2017 pick (no protection), Miami's 2018 pick and the right to trade picks with the Miami 2021 pick would you guys accept it?

No, because Harden is slowly turning into one of my least favorite players. He is quite self centered like Kobe, thinks he is above the team, and he doesn't have Kobe's work ethic. He seems like a coaster, and if the team doesn't live up to expectations, largely to his poor play, he uses the coach or Howard as the scapegoat.

I would be extremely hard pressed to give up Booker OR that 2017 pick unprotected under almost any circumstances.

[Mulhollanddrive]

This was the season where having Bledsoe, Morris, Chandler, Knight on nice contracts was meant to pay off, where we'd be 8th seed and then still have $20-30m for the transcendent player.

[Qwigglez]

So add in Bogdan, keep Mirza and we got 12-15mil to spend. Looking good.

I doubt Bogdan comes over yet, if he is still locked into rookie contract (though I don't know if it means he would just have 1 more year on what that contract would have been or what).

We will likely be hard pressed to find many or any really good players to sign anyway, and it might be best we don't have a ton of cap space so we don't hand out the likes of $70 million to a guy like Knight and $52 million to a guy like Chandler.

Very good point. But being McD's contract year do you really feel like he won't try and upgrade the team via free agency?