Mavs 2016 Offseason Discussion

[DallasMFFL]

Hey yall im new to this. I like the idea of Conley and Whiteside. Im not sure if we could get them. Would love to get Al Horford. Smart defender and has a solid offensive game. Great all around player. I would also love if we could trade Parsons for a solid point guard.

Welcome to the board bud, we have some great posters here and look forward to seeing your posts and ideas.

Thanks. Look forward to some good Mavs discussions!

[Teffer10]

Hey yall im new to this. I like the idea of Conley and Whiteside. Im not sure if we could get them. Would love to get Al Horford. Smart defender and has a solid offensive game. Great all around player. I would also love if we could trade Parsons for a solid point guard.

Welcome to the board!
I like Conley and Whiteside too and wish Donnie could make something like that happen but I would be concerned about our offense if they max out those two.

IDK if Dirk would do it but if we signed someone like Barnes at SF and move Parsons to PF we could have a nice 2-4 rotation of Parsons/Barnes/Matthews/Anderson/Dirk leaving Barea and Harris to focus solely on PG.
Then sign a guy like Mozgov who we could probably get at a bargain and we'd be younger with some upside.

Barea/Harris
Matthews/Anderson
Barnes/Evans
Parsons/Dirk
Mozgov/Mejri/Powell

[Devassa]

Hey yall im new to this. I like the idea of Conley and Whiteside. Im not sure if we could get them. Would love to get Al Horford. Smart defender and has a solid offensive game. Great all around player. I would also love if we could trade Parsons for a solid point guard.

Welcome to the board!
I like Conley and Whiteside too and wish Donnie could make something like that happen but I would be concerned about our offense if they max out those two.

IDK if Dirk would do it but if we signed someone like Barnes at SF and move Parsons to PF we could have a nice 2-4 rotation of Parsons/Barnes/Matthews/Anderson/Dirk leaving Barea and Harris to focus solely on PG.
Then sign a guy like Mozgov who we could probably get at a bargain and we'd be younger with some upside.

Barea/Harris
Matthews/Anderson
Barnes/Evans
Parsons/Dirk
Mozgov/Mejri/Powell

First of all, I will be calling for Donnie and Mark's heads if we sign Barnes to a deal anywhere near the max (which he will for some reason get from someone). Why do teams want this kid? He is a total scrub that happened to get drafted by a legendary team...

Second of all, Parsons would be a terrible fit at PF. He is too small to have to take on guarding guys like Griffin, Randolph, Aldridge, etc.

Third of all, those moves don't make us any better/worse than we are now and we shouldn't just be making moves to tread water in the West.. We need a difference maker or bust mentality (Whiteside, Durant, Conley).

If it came down to potentially having our roster looking like that next season, I would prefer us to just be honest with Dirk and let him know we are moving into rebuild stages, trade him for picks/youth, spend next season developing Anderson and Powell, and hoping for the best in the lottery next season.

[Tamhuynh10]

Tbh, we shouldn't pay top dollars for Whiteside.. ... We should find ourselves a serviceable Center and continue to give Mejri some minutes. I can see Cuban wanting a center and If I had to pick.. it'll be Howard. Howard's stock is dropping in Houston.. If Howard is smart.. he'll sign with us.. Many centers had success playing with Dirk. look at Chandler.. he became a stud when he played with he Mavericks.. Zaza became relevant... I just hope he'll give a discount ..

I would like the Mavericks to change Colony and add some size on our bench...

[daoneandonly]

I think Whiteside may be a longshot unfortunately. I'd love to have him, not just because he would fit perfectly next to Dirk, but because it would mess with Mia and further prove Wade isnt all he's cracked up to be.

But i digress, I think he either stays put or signs with Bos or LAL. Looking at how we been abuse don the boards, and how Zaza falls down more than a guy with his shoes tied together, I actually wouldn't mind a Tristan Thompson type. His contract is horrendous but if we can swing a S&T using Parsons (most likely including a 3rd team), I'd say we do it. heck i'd rather pay Thompson 16 mil per than Parsons 20+ per. The big target would still be Conley, if we could nab him:

Conley
Matthews
Anderson
Nowizki
Thompson

Now that I look at it written down, the offense there could be putrid, but still better than having Parsons and Zaza (and even D-Will on many days) as the starters.

[Devassa]

I think Whiteside may be a longshot unfortunately. I'd love to have him, not just because he would fit perfectly next to Dirk, but because it would mess with Mia and further prove Wade isnt all he's cracked up to be.

But i digress, I think he either stays put or signs with Bos or LAL. Looking at how we been abuse don the boards, and how Zaza falls down more than a guy with his shoes tied together, I actually wouldn't mind a Tristan Thompson type. His contract is horrendous but if we can swing a S&T using Parsons (most likely including a 3rd team), I'd say we do it. heck i'd rather pay Thompson 16 mil per than Parsons 20+ per. The big target would still be Conley, if we could nab him:

Conley
Matthews
Anderson
Nowizki
Thompson

Now that I look at it written down, the offense there could be putrid, but still better than having Parsons and Zaza (and even D-Will on many days) as the starters.

Thompson is a terrible contract, not to mention GM Lebron would never deal one of his BFFs.. All of that is assuming that you think Thompson could actually give you more production than Parsons? Not a chance.

The Mavs FO still has this delusional mindset that we can win a ring for Dirk in the next couple of years, but I hope that even they realize that if LeBron cant win with this kid, neither would we.. In fact, it would only cripple us more financially than we already are with that albatross Matthews contract.

[daoneandonly]

I think Whiteside may be a longshot unfortunately. I'd love to have him, not just because he would fit perfectly next to Dirk, but because it would mess with Mia and further prove Wade isnt all he's cracked up to be.

But i digress, I think he either stays put or signs with Bos or LAL. Looking at how we been abuse don the boards, and how Zaza falls down more than a guy with his shoes tied together, I actually wouldn't mind a Tristan Thompson type. His contract is horrendous but if we can swing a S&T using Parsons (most likely including a 3rd team), I'd say we do it. heck i'd rather pay Thompson 16 mil per than Parsons 20+ per. The big target would still be Conley, if we could nab him:

Conley
Matthews
Anderson
Nowizki
Thompson

Now that I look at it written down, the offense there could be putrid, but still better than having Parsons and Zaza (and even D-Will on many days) as the starters.

Thompson is a terrible contract, not to mention GM Lebron would never deal one of his BFFs.. All of that is assuming that you think Thompson could actually give you more production than Parsons? Not a chance.

The Mavs FO still has this delusional mindset that we can win a ring for Dirk in the next couple of years, but I hope that even they realize that if LeBron cant win with this kid, neither would we.. In fact, it would only cripple us more financially than we already are with that albatross Matthews contract.

Agree on Thompson and the Matthews deal is bad, but I'm getitng the feeling you think parsons is a valuable piece, is that true? He does not deserve 10 mil let alone what he'll command. He has no defense, no hustle (afraid of getting hit in his pretty face maybe?), no heart really. The biggest move the Mavs need to make is cutting ties with him.

[Devassa]

I think Whiteside may be a longshot unfortunately. I'd love to have him, not just because he would fit perfectly next to Dirk, but because it would mess with Mia and further prove Wade isnt all he's cracked up to be.

But i digress, I think he either stays put or signs with Bos or LAL. Looking at how we been abuse don the boards, and how Zaza falls down more than a guy with his shoes tied together, I actually wouldn't mind a Tristan Thompson type. His contract is horrendous but if we can swing a S&T using Parsons (most likely including a 3rd team), I'd say we do it. heck i'd rather pay Thompson 16 mil per than Parsons 20+ per. The big target would still be Conley, if we could nab him:

Conley
Matthews
Anderson
Nowizki
Thompson

Now that I look at it written down, the offense there could be putrid, but still better than having Parsons and Zaza (and even D-Will on many days) as the starters.

Thompson is a terrible contract, not to mention GM Lebron would never deal one of his BFFs.. All of that is assuming that you think Thompson could actually give you more production than Parsons? Not a chance.

The Mavs FO still has this delusional mindset that we can win a ring for Dirk in the next couple of years, but I hope that even they realize that if LeBron cant win with this kid, neither would we.. In fact, it would only cripple us more financially than we already are with that albatross Matthews contract.

Agree on Thompson and the Matthews deal is bad, but I'm getitng the feeling you think parsons is a valuable piece, is that true? He does not deserve 10 mil let alone what he'll command. He has no defense, no hustle (afraid of getting hit in his pretty face maybe?), no heart really. The biggest move the Mavs need to make is cutting ties with him.

Parsons is valuable, but not valuable enough to warrant the max contract that he will get.. In the perfect world, I wish he would opt out and sign a team friendly contract to where we can try and bring in another max contract this summer like Dwight, Horford, or Whiteside.

He wont though, so Cuban should let him walk.

If I were GM, I would just spend the next couple of seasons rebuilding/developing our youth. Trade Dirk for picks and more youth because he deserves better than this. Trade Matthews for anything.. Next season would be brutal, but a small price to pay and a much better alternative than overpaying and being a treadmill team.

[DallasMFFL]

The only reason i would sign parsons is so i could trade him to a team like Atlanta that will need a SF(Bazemore is going to be a free agent) and has two great young point guards. I remember when Jeff Teague was on Donnie's radar but Atlanta got to him first. I would prefer conley, but I'm worried we will not be able to get him. Not really impressed with other free agent point guards. Really think we need a legit center. Whiteside would be awesome. Not a fan of signing Howard.

[titantron91]

I'm not hopeful for big signings.

1. At center, I'm keeping Salah Mejri as backup and I'll pay Dewayne Dedmon decent money. Guy's 26 but he's athletic, long, energetic, and plays real defense.

2a. If Parsons opts in to his last year, trade him for Stephen Zimmerman and a second round pick. He's a decent backup for Dirk who has similar game with young Dirk, albeit with better D so far.

2b. If Parsons opts out, then we can sign Ryan Anderson (shorter Dirk with youth and more mobility, I think)

3. I'll trade Dwight Powell for Jerami Grant

4. Sign Kent Bazemore at SG

5. Retian Mejri, McGee, and Charlie

6. Fill the 15-man roster by signing ETwaun Moore and Chase Budinger

12-man lineup

PG: Felton, Harris, Barea
SG: Matthews, Dudley, Moore
SF: Grant, J. Anderson, Budinger
PF: Dirk, R. Anderson, Charlie V.
C: Dedmon, Mejri, McGee

I'd start grant coz he more athletic and has better length. I still see Jus as a swingman so it'll be better if he learns to shoot and handle the ball better so he can replace Matthews in the future.

[Dirk]

I'm not hopeful for big signings.

1. At center, I'm keeping Salah Mejri as backup and I'll pay Dewayne Dedmon decent money. Guy's 26 but he's athletic, long, energetic, and plays real defense.

2a. If Parsons opts in to his last year, trade him for Stephen Zimmerman and a second round pick. He's a decent backup for Dirk who has similar game with young Dirk, albeit with better D so far.

2b. If Parsons opts out, then we can sign Ryan Anderson (shorter Dirk with youth and more mobility, I think)

3. I'll trade Dwight Powell for Jerami Grant

4. Sign Kent Bazemore at SG

5. Retian Mejri, McGee, and Charlie

6. Fill the 15-man roster by signing ETwaun Moore and Chase Budinger

12-man lineup

PG: Felton, Harris, Barea
SG: Matthews, Dudley, Moore
SF: Grant, J. Anderson, Budinger
PF: Dirk, R. Anderson, Charlie V.
C: Dedmon, Mejri, McGee

I'd start grant coz he more athletic and has better length. I still see Jus as a swingman so it'll be better if he learns to shoot and handle the ball better so he can replace Matthews in the future.

Titan, Grant is worse at shooting than Anderson. Offensively he is very very raw, but he is an intriguing player though, very much in the mould of Aminu... whenever I watch the Sixers, he really stands out for his freakish athletic ability - I'd do that trade, but doubt it can be worked out since Powell is a restricted free agent. Grant can't be a starter until he learns how to shoot.

Ryan Anderson has missed a ton of games in recent seasons. He is terrible on defense. You can probably get Teletovic for far less and give you about the same production.

I also like Dedmon a lot, but he is probably not starting material and I don't really know where the Mavs would go with that kind of roster. The Mavs need to again either go big and land a legitimate starting C or probably and finally... admit that it's pointless to fight all year long to be a low seed and get crushed in the playoffs like in the last two years.

[daoneandonly]

I'm not hopeful for big signings.

1. At center, I'm keeping Salah Mejri as backup and I'll pay Dewayne Dedmon decent money. Guy's 26 but he's athletic, long, energetic, and plays real defense.

2a. If Parsons opts in to his last year, trade him for Stephen Zimmerman and a second round pick. He's a decent backup for Dirk who has similar game with young Dirk, albeit with better D so far.

2b. If Parsons opts out, then we can sign Ryan Anderson (shorter Dirk with youth and more mobility, I think)

3. I'll trade Dwight Powell for Jerami Grant

4. Sign Kent Bazemore at SG

5. Retian Mejri, McGee, and Charlie

6. Fill the 15-man roster by signing ETwaun Moore and Chase Budinger

12-man lineup

PG: Felton, Harris, Barea
SG: Matthews, Dudley, Moore
SF: Grant, J. Anderson, Budinger
PF: Dirk, R. Anderson, Charlie V.
C: Dedmon, Mejri, McGee

I'd start grant coz he more athletic and has better length. I still see Jus as a swingman so it'll be better if he learns to shoot and handle the ball better so he can replace Matthews in the future.

Titan, Grant is worse at shooting than Anderson. Offensively he is very very raw, but he is an intriguing player though, very much in the mould of Aminu... whenever I watch the Sixers, he really stands out for his freakish athletic ability - I'd do that trade, but doubt it can be worked out since Powell is a restricted free agent. Grant can't be a starter until he learns how to shoot.

Ryan Anderson has missed a ton of games in recent seasons. He is terrible on defense. You can probably get Teletovic for far less and give you about the same production.

I also like Dedmon a lot, but he is probably not starting material and I don't really know where the Mavs would go with that kind of roster. The Mavs need to again either go big and land a legitimate starting C or probably and finally... admit that it's pointless to fight all year long to be a low seed and get crushed in the playoffs like in the last two years.

Agree with everything DN mentioned above. DN, now that our season is all but over, curious to see yours and Chuck's thoughts on how the offseason should go. It would give em something to look forward to, especially if Steph is out, I have no desire to see the Spurs win yet another title.

[Pointguard01]

The only reason i would sign parsons is so i could trade him to a team like Atlanta that will need a SF(Bazemore is going to be a free agent) and has two great young point guards. I remember when Jeff Teague was on Donnie's radar but Atlanta got to him first. I would prefer conley, but I'm worried we will not be able to get him. Not really impressed with other free agent point guards. Really think we need a legit center. Whiteside would be awesome. Not a fan of signing Howard.

I would love that. Not sure Atlanta would do this because Parsons is going to make double the money that Teague is making next year (Teague will be on the last year of his deal at 8-million, Parsons is going to get 19-million). Maybe we can take on Thabo Sefolosha's 4-million deal, but really, Atlanta could sign Parsons out right so there is little chance they go for a S&T unless we threw in something.

Actually maybe something like Jeff Teague + Tiago Splitter for Chandler Parsons. Not sure I want Tiago for 8-million (last year of contract), but I would love me some Jeff Teague next to Matthews in the back court. Then split the rest of the money on Loul Deng + Dwight Howard...(someone run those numbers and see if they add up..?).... and I think you have a really good team (and damn good defensively).

G- Jeff Teague | JJ Barea
G- Wes Matthews |Devin Harris
F- Loul Deng | Justin Anderson
F- Dirk Nowitzki | David Lee
C- Dwight Howard | Salah Mejri

[Darren]

We have to trade either / both Harris and Barea coming offseason. We're not going anywhere with small balls. I think we should make Batum (8-10M) and Whiteside / the 7-3 giant (8M) from the Spurs our targets. We have to re-sign D-Will at (5-6M). We have to make Matthews 4th option this summer. If Parsons opt in, play him as PF alongside Dirk. If he opts out, find a big fish like Whiteside or Fournier. I have no problem bringing back Zaza but limit his time on court with Dirk, then.

C - DIrk Nowitzki / Boban Marjanović / Salah Merji
PF - Chandler Parsons / Dwight Powell
SF - Nic Batum / Justin Anderson
SG - Wes Matthews / Jose Barea
PG - Deron Williams / Raymond Felton / defensive PG

OR

C - Boban Marjanović (8M) / Salah Merji / JaVale McGee
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell (4M)
SF - Nic Batum (9M) / Justin Anderson
SG - Wes Matthews / Jose Barea
PG - Deron Williams (6M) / Raymond Felton (4M) / defensive PG

Either way, we've better spacing and half-court plays. And we've bigger defender at the right spot. Batum is the right target for Rick. He's big and versatile. He can pass and shoot the ball. He's a perfect fit for us.

[jpengland]

We have to trade either / both Harris and Barea coming offseason. We're not going anywhere with small balls. I think we should make Batum (8-10M) and Whiteside / the 7-3 giant (8M) from the Spurs our targets. We have to re-sign D-Will at (5-6M). We have to make Matthews 4th option this summer. If Parsons opt in, play him as PF alongside Dirk. If he opts out, find a big fish like Whiteside or Fournier. I have no problem bringing back Zaza but limit his time on court with Dirk, then.

C - DIrk Nowitzki / Boban Marjanović / Salah Merji
PF - Chandler Parsons / Dwight Powell
SF - Nic Batum / Justin Anderson
SG - Wes Matthews / Jose Barea
PG - Deron Williams / Raymond Felton / defensive PG

OR

C - Boban Marjanović (8M) / Salah Merji / JaVale McGee
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell (4M)
SF - Nic Batum (9M) / Justin Anderson
SG - Wes Matthews / Jose Barea
PG - Deron Williams (6M) / Raymond Felton (4M) / defensive PG

Either way, we've better spacing and half-court plays. And we've bigger defender at the right spot. Batum is the right target for Rick. He's big and versatile. He can pass and shoot the ball. He's a perfect fit for us.

Wow - you can double the cost of Nic Batum and probably Boban too.

There is THAT much cap space around that everybody is getting paid. Nic Batum will be looking at 16 - 20m per easily. Boban is a bit of a wildcard but someone is going to take a punt on him at least 12m. Even Dwight Powell is probably looking at 6 - 9m.

[daoneandonly]

So what is everyone's general thoughts on Chandler Parsons. We know he's going to ask for a max, so let's not even entertain the idea of keeping him if he'll take a huge discount. Would you want Parsons at the max? I say unequivocally hell no!

[2011Champs]

So what is everyone's general thoughts on Chandler Parsons. We know he's going to ask for a max, so let's not even entertain the idea of keeping him if he'll take a huge discount. Would you want Parsons at the max? I say unequivocally hell no!

I would let Parsons go and promote Anderson to starting SF. Parsons just goes out there and Vanhorns it up.

That's won't happen however. I fully expect Dallas to retain Parsons and add Dwight Howard. I don't care too much for either player but I bet Cuban wants both. I'm sure Deron and Felton will be retained also.

[daoneandonly]

So what is everyone's general thoughts on Chandler Parsons. We know he's going to ask for a max, so let's not even entertain the idea of keeping him if he'll take a huge discount. Would you want Parsons at the max? I say unequivocally hell no!

I would let Parsons go and promote Anderson to starting SF. Parsons just goes out there and Vanhorns it up.

That's won't happen however. I fully expect Dallas to retain Parsons and add Dwight Howard. I don't care too much for either player but I bet Cuban wants both. I'm sure Deron and Felton will be retained also.

Wholeheartedly agree, and let's hope we're wrong about the latter. Parsons and Howard are two of the absolute last people I want to see in mavs gear next year. Anderson should be our starting 3, and almost any Center out there except Monroe, Kanter, Zaza, or Howard should be targeted.

[Clyde Frazier]

Unless parsons opts in for his player option next season (which is $16 mil, btw), I let him walk. His season has ended due to injury twice in a row. He has to prove he's healthy before giving him another long term deal. He was one of my favorite players pre-dallas, but he’s not elite enough to take that chance on.

Plus, you have wes matthews still trying to get back to his old self. This guy truly lived up to his iron man rep, playing 78 games this season off an achilles tear. That’s just absurd. Even with his shooting struggles, he still finished the season near league avg in TS%, and he shot 36% from 3 on 6.7 attempts per game. At least he hasn’t lost his range, so i think there’s still hope for improvement. And we don’t have to be cliche about commending him for his mindset. He’s a warrior.

I don’t know about specific free agent targets yet, but at the least the mavs will have some nice $ to work with. Try to keep some continuity for a change going into next season. Realistically, can they finally put together a team post 2011 that can advance to the second round. That’s all you can ask for at this point until dirk retires.

[Dirk]

Max salaries to take into account:

Whiteside: $21.5 million
Howard: $30 million
Conley: 25.8 million
Batum: $25.8 million

Restricted free agents:

Harrison Barnes (R): $21.5 million
Bradley Beal (R): $21.5 million
Evan Fournier (R): $21.5 million

Other salaries:

Ezeli: 12-15 million (restricted free agent)
Byiombo: 10-12 million
Noah: 13-15 million
Eric Gordon: 13-15 million?

Deng?
Solomon Hill?
Jeremy Lin?
Brandon Jennings - may be available on a 1+1 deal?

If the Mavs renounce Parsons and Pachulia, they have 49.3 million in cap space.

So you could then shop for Whiteside and be left with $27.8 million. If you go after Batum, you will be left with very little room to sign anyone else. Maybe (very unlikely I would imagine) Felton is avaliable for the room exception (2.8M)

Felton
Matthews
Batum
Dirk
Whiteside

There is an option of maybe going after Gordon if he is willing to sign for 1+1, he'd be a really potent scorer with the Mavs.

You could have:

Williams 10M
Gordon 15M
Matthews
Dirk
Whiteside 21M

If they renounce Pachulia and keep Parsons, they will have 29.8 million in cap space.

You could re-sign Williams and sign Whiteside.

I agree with some of the general thoughts everyone has on Parsons: he is a bit soft and doesn't always look like he is play as hard as he can - so to pair him with Williams, is a tricky combination. One of the biggest things I'd like to see is more size and athleticism on this team - but we get the idea, the coach is not inclined to do that it seems and just by looking at the free agent list, there are not that many options. I like Solomon Hill, Harkless is intriguing. But they're still raw. We know there's no way Anderson is made a starter next season.

There's the top priority of getting a Center and the rest is secondary.

Parsons had a long stretch where he looked like an all star offensively. The Mavs will not be able to replace that in free agency. So, by letting him walk, the Mavs would be losing one of the few tradable assets they have. Players like Ariza, Deng... look like they would be better fits because they're better defenders, but they're very frustrating players as well. You're basically adding more Wesley Matthews types. A team needs someone that can carry an offense... Parsons teased us with that 20 or something game run.

The late season win streak is thrown against Parsons, but I think that's unfair. Dirk himself was pretty bad offensively and the Mavs still won. There was a clear shift in playing style and mentality within the team... and I have no reason to believe that with Parsons in there, that he wouldn't be able to fit him and actually make the team better.

Unfortunately, several teams will have money and will be fighting for the same players, so it's almost inevitable that you will "overpay" them. You may be reluctant to 'overpay' Parsons, but then you will pay someone else who will likely be inferior.

There are no perfect options after the Lebron's and Durant's. So who do you have, by letting Parsons walk? I just can't see much that the Mavs can do - or will do that will make it better. We're not the Blazers who already had Lillard and McCollum. The Mavs are a team whose best scoring option will be 38 next year.