Should the Knicks tank in the '16-'17 season?

[Sark]

Just start Calderon again next year.

Voila!!! Tank achieved.

[Boss_]

Who says knick fans dont have patience for a tank and draft pick rebuild, other than the newspapers? Look at that poll. Perfect time to tank and stock up on draft picks while lebron is still in prime with cleveland, and the best team in the history of the nba is peaking in the western conference poised for multiple championships. Porzingis is also years away from entering his prime. Roll the dice on some top 5 draft picks the next 2/3 years and get some assets. We have nothing.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

NY can handle a rebuild. We've been sorry for over a decade (4 playoff appearances in 15 years while only finishing with more than 40 wins in a season twice). In spite of all the losing, the team still has a ton of support...we still sell out the Garden every night and the Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the NBA. #TeamTank is definitely in the building right now...the lead in the poll just keeps growing every day.

[moocow007]

NY can handle a rebuild. We've been sorry for over a decade (4 playoff appearances in 15 years while only finishing with more than 40 wins in a season twice). In spite of all the losing, the team still has a ton of support...we still sell out the Garden every night and the Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the NBA. #TeamTank is definitely in the building right now...the lead in the poll just keeps growing every day.

NY might be able to, but James Dolan won't. So chances are...

[AmazingJason]

NY can handle a rebuild. We've been sorry for over a decade (4 playoff appearances in 15 years while only finishing with more than 40 wins in a season twice). In spite of all the losing, the team still has a ton of support...we still sell out the Garden every night and the Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the NBA. #TeamTank is definitely in the building right now...the lead in the poll just keeps growing every day.

The Garden cares more about how we play rather than the result. If we lose, but with an exciting young core, people won't mind. It's when we lose with last year's type of players - except Shved - that people stop caring. Or with the garbage backcourt of this year's, and the boobirds come out when O'Quinn doesn't get the ball to Jimmer.

Nobody is going to boo the 2nd coming of Tracy McGrady.

[CJackson]

How are we gonna truly tank with Melo Lopez and KP? I'm sorry that's not bad enough. If I have to chose between watching a bad team that's not bad enough to get a high lottery pick and a good team that's not good enough to challenge for a title im gonna chose the latter. At least we'd get to watch some playoff games. If you want to tank you have do it right from the start (ie trading Melo instead of giving him a ntc) anything else is just sucking. "Tanking" now would entail kicking the can down the road for years while we wait for the next big name free agent to pass on joining a bad team and getting nothing but 7th to 10th picks to show for it.

An off season of Lance Stevenson, Jennings, Turner type players on one year deals should have Melo waiving that NTC.. which would then clear the way for a tank. KP won't be good enough to will this team to 30 wins yet

You're assuming that Melo cares more about winning than he does about getting paid and living in NY. I wouldn't take that bet.

Never forget melo is the guy who talked about himself as a brand. he is a very vain person who is always concerned about his image but the thing is he cares more about his image than he cares about being on a contender. thats why he mumbles blah blah blah knicks for live and all dat jazz because he doesnt want to leave for a contender. he is comfy in nyc and doesnt want to relocate. so he will say stuff to make it look like he will consider leaving but suprise!!! he wont and that is his idea of getting brownie points for being loyal to the knicks. its all for show. hes staying

[CJackson]

NY can handle a rebuild. We've been sorry for over a decade (4 playoff appearances in 15 years while only finishing with more than 40 wins in a season twice). In spite of all the losing, the team still has a ton of support...we still sell out the Garden every night and the Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the NBA. #TeamTank is definitely in the building right now...the lead in the poll just keeps growing every day.

of course the city can handle it but you still got guys who care more about being just good enough to be bounced in the first round of the playoffs. if they got off the pot then it would be a 90% vote

[whysoserious488]

It may not be an optional tank, we might just end up being THAT terrible. With Rambis at the helm, who is to say we win more than 25-30 games anyway?

[DaGawd]

How are we gonna truly tank with Melo Lopez and KP? I'm sorry that's not bad enough. If I have to chose between watching a bad team that's not bad enough to get a high lottery pick and a good team that's not good enough to challenge for a title im gonna chose the latter. At least we'd get to watch some playoff games. If you want to tank you have do it right from the start (ie trading Melo instead of giving him a ntc) anything else is just sucking. "Tanking" now would entail kicking the can down the road for years while we wait for the next big name free agent to pass on joining a bad team and getting nothing but 7th to 10th picks to show for it.

An off season of Lance Stevenson, Jennings, Turner type players on one year deals should have Melo waiving that NTC.. which would then clear the way for a tank. KP won't be good enough to will this team to 30 wins yet

You're assuming that Melo cares more about winning than he does about getting paid and living in NY. I wouldn't take that bet.

True. Honestly tho Melo at his advancing age is bound to miss some games next year any way if he stays. And we honestly aren't that good when he plays anyway. So a solid tank job can still be achieved

[NYKnicksTAPE]

An off season of Lance Stevenson, Jennings, Turner type players on one year deals should have Melo waiving that NTC.. which would then clear the way for a tank. KP won't be good enough to will this team to 30 wins yet

You're assuming that Melo cares more about winning than he does about getting paid and living in NY. I wouldn't take that bet.

True. Honestly tho Melo at his advancing age is bound to miss some games next year any way if he stays. And we honestly aren't that good when he plays anyway. So a solid tank job can still be achieved

Yeah, but what if we end up overachieving and hovering around .500 for like half the season and then looking like the lottery team that we are towards the end...that's how u end up picking 7th or something like that.

[DaGawd]

You're assuming that Melo cares more about winning than he does about getting paid and living in NY. I wouldn't take that bet.

True. Honestly tho Melo at his advancing age is bound to miss some games next year any way if he stays. And we honestly aren't that good when he plays anyway. So a solid tank job can still be achieved

Yeah, but what if we end up overachieving and hovering around .500 for like half the season and then looking like the lottery team that we are towards the end...that's how u end up picking 7th or something like that.

Also true. I'd hope if thats the case then this draft really is as deep as its supposed to be. Can still probably get a good franchise cornerstone at 7 next year

[Worst_to_First]

As long as Kristaps Porzingis represents us in the lottery. No Steve Mills please.

[Nazrmohamed]

An off season of Lance Stevenson, Jennings, Turner type players on one year deals should have Melo waiving that NTC.. which would then clear the way for a tank. KP won't be good enough to will this team to 30 wins yet

You're assuming that Melo cares more about winning than he does about getting paid and living in NY. I wouldn't take that bet.

Never forget melo is the guy who talked about himself as a brand. he is a very vain person who is always concerned about his image but the thing is he cares more about his image than he cares about being on a contender. thats why he mumbles blah blah blah knicks for live and all dat jazz because he doesnt want to leave for a contender. he is comfy in nyc and doesnt want to relocate. so he will say stuff to make it look like he will consider leaving but suprise!!! he wont and that is his idea of getting brownie points for being loyal to the knicks. its all for show. hes staying

Or maybe he expects the knicks to do what contenders do, make good decisions. You can spin anything and this long path of constantly diminishing Melo because he wants to play here......its tabloid man. If you wanna rebuild fine, join the poll but why must people keep bashing the dude. Phil never had to sign him and surely never had to give him the ntc on top of that. Focus your blame in that direction.

Just dont ever bring up free agency to me. Cause guess what any free agent willing to come to NY will come for, is that not correct? Cause we sure as hell arent contending so by definition anybody who wants to come here for the next three years doesnt wanna win, they just want money and NY. In fact thats exactly what we advertise, money and NY. How long are we gonna be hypocrytical about this. Then we'll ask for Conley and wanna pay him max.

[Nazrmohamed]

I voted rebuild BTW but I don't need to trash Melo to vote that way. Maybe it gets bad enough that Melo helps us make it a win win. He goes someplace where he can win and we can get some decent assets. Those same haters will probably say something like " see, I told you he wasn't loyal, see how he ditched you for a contender?"

[NY2TheBay]

Healthier Melo, KP making a big step forward in his second year, more Grant and Wroten and no Calderon with a decent piece in FA will have this team either as a 6,7,8 seed or barely out of the playoffs in my opinion.

I love the talent in the '17 draft class but got to keep things in perspective, without a Melo trade we're not going to be sitting pretty in the lottery.

[Context]

Only one way to go:



and you know what if Melo still wants to stay I have no problem with it...

[frothbrain]

Should the Knicks tank?
The Knicks have no choice in the matter. Outside of Brooklyn and Philly the Knicks are and will be worse than every other team in the East.

[Blockwatcher]

Man... I'm starting to feel warm inside. Like we are willing this tank into fruition. I wanna push the envelope and start taking about trades again but I won't.

[frothbrain]

Boston can try to go all in next year.
Knicks trade Anthony for the Celtic's 2017 pick right swap with Brooklyn and the Celtic's 2016 23rd pick.
They can have Lopez too for Dallas's 16th pick.

[CJackson]

You're assuming that Melo cares more about winning than he does about getting paid and living in NY. I wouldn't take that bet.

Never forget melo is the guy who talked about himself as a brand. he is a very vain person who is always concerned about his image but the thing is he cares more about his image than he cares about being on a contender. thats why he mumbles blah blah blah knicks for live and all dat jazz because he doesnt want to leave for a contender. he is comfy in nyc and doesnt want to relocate. so he will say stuff to make it look like he will consider leaving but suprise!!! he wont and that is his idea of getting brownie points for being loyal to the knicks. its all for show. hes staying

Or maybe he expects the knicks to do what contenders do, make good decisions. You can spin anything and this long path of constantly diminishing Melo because he wants to play here......its tabloid man. If you wanna rebuild fine, join the poll but why must people keep bashing the dude. Phil never had to sign him and surely never had to give him the ntc on top of that. Focus your blame in that direction.

Just dont ever bring up free agency to me. Cause guess what any free agent willing to come to NY will come for, is that not correct? Cause we sure as hell arent contending so by definition anybody who wants to come here for the next three years doesnt wanna win, they just want money and NY. In fact thats exactly what we advertise, money and NY. How long are we gonna be hypocrytical about this. Then we'll ask for Conley and wanna pay him max.

nah im not spinning anything. i dont spend my time picking on everything melo says because there is usually very little to learn from listening to the man. his mind is subject to change all the time and he says one thing then another. there are some constants with melo and i think i was pretty clear. he seems to love being a NYer not just being on the knicks. he does not seem to be easily convinced to relocate. agree or disagree those are constants i have picked up on after five years and never seen anything to say those are false assumptions

what is wishy washy is pretty much everything else that comes out of his mouth so i look at how he does on the court instead. and what i see is he is a guy you can say often plays hard and has has played with pain. is he a smart ball player. not really so effort + smart would be better but he is what he is which is a workhorse scorer who is not always efficient but sometimes plays with inspiration. thats melo not so much his words

so i wasnt bashing him. dont be so sensitive. i was speaking exactly what i see. hes pretty much a dumb jock who often says dumb things. and so what if he likes money. hes like most of the human race then

as far as money goes that is what the knicks offer and even kp + melo is not recruiting anyone at equal dollar not with a loon like jackson in charge and a club with dolans reputation behind the scenes. so yes the knicks will have to overpay for equal talent and the free agent pool this time is not so hot so tanking sounds damn good to me. and i would love to trade melo for picks if we can and thats about being a knicks fan not about melo