Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

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I think we need to move away from this narrative that because a guy makes a certain amount of money he has to start. If Bosh can play next year, why can't he come off the bench and still have a positive impact on the team?

To win a title you need players to outperform their contracts. As it was he was barely justifying his contract. Paying a bench player $24mill is not how you build a winning team. If he's here to stay we need to figure out how to maximize his effectiveness and that mean playing 30+mpg.

As to the Bosh thing, its gonna be rough. We're basically stuck with him. Part of me hopes that as long as he's happy, he can retire so we can clean up our books by the season after next, but I don't want him to feel forced out.

His contract is a problem, if he was healthy we could trade him to someone who really needs him like OKC or the Rockets. The problem is his health.

I think that he comes back next season and remains healthy all year. If he can do that we'd be in position to move him come 2017.

I do believe that he can help us win but not to the point where he'd be worth his contract. That money would simply be better spent on a wing than on another center when we already have Hassan.

[TroubleS0me]

no votes for 6 man of the year? he should have gotten some votes

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no votes for 6 man of the year? he should have gotten some votes

He didn't qualify.

[gom]

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"It's a bit disappointing"....

Why shouldn't it be disappointing? He wants to be the best. If he has a great career these guys will point to things like this and praise him for his competitiveness. But today, there seems to still be a negative narrative about him.

Hassan's head is in a great place. You can see this from his snapchat. He is *relaxed*. Shoe storage space is an issue though.

[Flash4thewin]

Haven't player's gotten past the starting stigma yet? I thought it was pretty well known now in the league that starting means absolutely nothing, it's who finishes the game and how many minutes you play. Rotations is where you make the bread, if Whiteside fits better with the players in the first rotation then he should start, if Bosh fits better then he should start. You don't force a player into a spot because he "should" start that is stupid.

So its not who starts but who finished right?

If Bosh was healthy Spo would start and finish games with him. The length and speed at the C position not mention the 3pt range all work better with what Spo wants. Please remember we went out of our way to keep Whiteside on the bench even when it was clear he was leaps and bounds over performing Amare. The whole goal was to keep Whiteside as the backup and when Bosh our 2 time nba championship winner returns he would get back his starting spot. Spo has gone on the record saying he will ride and die with Wade, what makes anyone else think its any different with Bosh? Bosh who changed his game for Spo? Sometimes things are painfully obvious.

First you agree and say that Bosh will end games. Then you go back and point to Amare, forgetting that Hassan still finished games and played way more minutes even while Amare started.

Also if the argument is Spo will keep Hassan from playing... who was it that decided to give some random kid from the D-League minutes in the first place?

Your arguments are all over the place, basically only designed to make it seem like everything Spo does is to our detriment and Hassan is some perfect angel and savior. Don't think I forgot you were 100% on Beasley's side, the guy who we gave 3 different chances to, and now can't even crack the Rockets rotation as they get walloped by the Warriors (I'm sure you'll argue that he'd be the difference maker).

No it simple. What Bosh does with his speed length and 3pt ability mesh better with what Spo wants. The Amare example was just to keep him as a place holder so when Bosh returns there is no question about who starts. As for ending game really who is going to end a game with Amare? Now if you have the option between Bosh ( assuming he is healthy) and Whiteside to end a game odds are Spo will go for Bosh because speed length and spacing with the 3pt shot. Bosh with his 3pt shooting drags out opposing centers opening space for either Wade or Dragic to attack the basket which is what Spo wants.

[HIF]

Spo hater in the Hassan thread.

[gom]

So its not who starts but who finished right?

If Bosh was healthy Spo would start and finish games with him. The length and speed at the C position not mention the 3pt range all work better with what Spo wants. Please remember we went out of our way to keep Whiteside on the bench even when it was clear he was leaps and bounds over performing Amare. The whole goal was to keep Whiteside as the backup and when Bosh our 2 time nba championship winner returns he would get back his starting spot. Spo has gone on the record saying he will ride and die with Wade, what makes anyone else think its any different with Bosh? Bosh who changed his game for Spo? Sometimes things are painfully obvious.

First you agree and say that Bosh will end games. Then you go back and point to Amare, forgetting that Hassan still finished games and played way more minutes even while Amare started.

Also if the argument is Spo will keep Hassan from playing... who was it that decided to give some random kid from the D-League minutes in the first place?

Your arguments are all over the place, basically only designed to make it seem like everything Spo does is to our detriment and Hassan is some perfect angel and savior. Don't think I forgot you were 100% on Beasley's side, the guy who we gave 3 different chances to, and now can't even crack the Rockets rotation as they get walloped by the Warriors (I'm sure you'll argue that he'd be the difference maker).

No it simple. What Bosh does with his speed length and 3pt ability mesh better with what Spo wants. The Amare example was just to keep him as a place holder so when Bosh returns there is no question about who starts. As for ending game really who is going to end a game with Amare? Now if you have the option between Bosh ( assuming he is healthy) and Whiteside to end a game odds are Spo will go for Bosh because speed length and spacing with the 3pt shot. Bosh with his 3pt shooting drags out opposing centers opening space for either Wade or Dragic to attack the basket which is what Spo wants.

It is not simple. Amare is a placeholder? WTF?

By the way, have you noticed that Whiteside's jump shot was pretty consistent going down the stretch? I bet he'll start tossing in 3s next year. Every time the experts say there is something he can't do, he proves them wrong. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I'd give Bosh the edge in shooting at the moment, but Hassan's length will improve. Also in terms of speed, Whiteside is already faster.

[Flash4thewin]

First you agree and say that Bosh will end games. Then you go back and point to Amare, forgetting that Hassan still finished games and played way more minutes even while Amare started.

Also if the argument is Spo will keep Hassan from playing... who was it that decided to give some random kid from the D-League minutes in the first place?

Your arguments are all over the place, basically only designed to make it seem like everything Spo does is to our detriment and Hassan is some perfect angel and savior. Don't think I forgot you were 100% on Beasley's side, the guy who we gave 3 different chances to, and now can't even crack the Rockets rotation as they get walloped by the Warriors (I'm sure you'll argue that he'd be the difference maker).

No it simple. What Bosh does with his speed length and 3pt ability mesh better with what Spo wants. The Amare example was just to keep him as a place holder so when Bosh returns there is no question about who starts. As for ending game really who is going to end a game with Amare? Now if you have the option between Bosh ( assuming he is healthy) and Whiteside to end a game odds are Spo will go for Bosh because speed length and spacing with the 3pt shot. Bosh with his 3pt shooting drags out opposing centers opening space for either Wade or Dragic to attack the basket which is what Spo wants.

It is not simple. Amare is a placeholder? WTF?

By the way, have you noticed that Whiteside's jump shot was pretty consistent going down the stretch? I bet he'll start tossing in 3s next year. Every time the experts say there is something he can't do, he proves them wrong. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I'd give Bosh the edge in shooting at the moment, but Hassan's length will improve. Also in terms of speed, Whiteside is already faster.

Did Amare earn a starting spot? Not a Spo hater more like a Spo tolerater ( great game plan for game one). The funny thing is yes I could see Whiteside start tossing 3 next season which is crazy yet a testament to his devotion to improve.

[3ballbomber]

Q: Ira, I have a proposition versus a question: Every time a Heat fan, or Hassan Whiteside himself, brings up the notion of Whiteside being snubbed in the Defensive Player of the Year vote or otherwise being under-appreciated for his play, please refer them to video of Joakim Noah's play with the Bulls across the bulk of his career, until injuries slowed him down. If the Heat could ever get Whiteside to play with Noah's level of energy, knowledge, and selflessness, coupled with Whiteside's athleticism, nobody would use the word snub with his name ever again. -- Terry, Knoxville, Tenn.

A: The question becomes whether that involves reinventing Hassan, or whether he has such a latent win-or-perish determination. I've always viewed Joakim as a Pat Riley-type player. As with almost every player in the NBA, you can't get everything from everyone. At the moment, it still seems like statistics count for plenty for Hassan. Can he get to the point where there will be elements that count for more? That's the question heading into his free agency.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/heat-blog/sfl-miami-heat-ask-ira-justise-winslow-s042016-story.html

Let's hope Hassan can be less preoccupied w/ serving the masculine ego & more focused on the bigger picture for the team!

Individual accolades will take care of themselves if he helps this team achieve bigger things.

[gom]

Did Amare earn a starting spot?

Actually, it was more like Hassan lost the spot than Amare winning it, and then he played so well that he got it back. We won many games with STAT starting. I'm sure you know that Hassan left the starting rotation when he was injured. Previously, his performances were uneven, alternating very good games with duds. Here are his numbers before his injury:



Game Score is a very hard statistic number that shows players like Whiteside's contribution very well. It is not my favorite statistic (I actually prefer WS more), but it is good for this comparison purposes. Its formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV. A score of "10" is about average for a starter. "40" is a killer game. The GameSc can be negative and that's bad.

Here are the numbers after the injury showing the improved performance after Chris left the team:



Whatever incentive offered to Whiteside clearly worked. I don't believe you should isolate the player's improved performance from Spo's. In fact, I think both player and coach deserve credit here.

I'm not a huge Spo fan. Some of the things that he does annoy the F out of me, however... I have to admit he is good at his job. Otherwise, he wouldn't be an NBA coach for the same team for 8 seasons - especially with a very demanding Pat Riley as his boss.

Draw your own conclusions.

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Damn gom drops so much knowledge. Meanwhile Iggie wins POTM simply because he has funny sigs.

I apologize gom.

[gom]

Damn gom drops so much knowledge. Meanwhile Iggie wins POTM simply because he has funny sigs.

I apologize gom.

I think I prefer Iggie's sigs myself. We may be too geeky, QUIZ.

Man, I hope we come out and play tonight. I don't like it when things look like they are going too well. It makes me nervous. The team has to show up tonight and - again - make a statement.

Spoiler:

hold me...

[kidco2]

I have a bad feeling about Whiteside might eventually sign with GSW next season.

[Flash4thewin]

Did Amare earn a starting spot?

Actually, it was more like Hassan lost the spot than Amare winning it, and then he played so well that he got it back. We won many games with STAT starting. I'm sure you know that Hassan left the starting rotation when he was injured. Previously, his performances were uneven, alternating very good games with duds. Here are his numbers before his injury:



Game Score is a very hard statistic number that shows players like Whiteside's contribution very well. It is not my favorite statistic (I actually prefer WS more), but it is good for this comparison purposes. Its formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV. A score of "10" is about average for a starter. "40" is a killer game. The GameSc can be negative and that's bad.

Here are the numbers after the injury showing the improved performance after Chris left the team:



Whatever incentive offered to Whiteside clearly worked. I don't believe you should isolate the player's improved performance from Spo's. In fact, I think both player and coach deserve credit here.

I'm not a huge Spo fan. Some of the things that he does annoy the F out of me, however... I have to admit he is good at his job. Otherwise, he wouldn't be an NBA coach for the same team for 8 seasons - especially with a very demanding Pat Riley as his boss.

Draw your own conclusions.

Thanks for the great info. Your right both Spo and Coach deserve credit

[ZoStrong]

I have a bad feeling about Whiteside might eventually sign with GSW next season.

They are not paying him a max when they don't even need him.
They'd rather have a good passing big man on a decent contract. Like Bogut they have.
They whole offense depends on ball movement and Hassan is a black hole.

Come on!

[KingDavid]

I have a bad feeling about Whiteside might eventually sign with GSW next season.

Where in the hell did that come from? I doubt gsw wants him. They're either signing Harrison Barnes or Kevin Durant. They're not wasting a max slot on Hassan Whiteside. That so weird. The bulk of their output does not come from their centers.

[Flash4thewin]

I have a bad feeling about Whiteside might eventually sign with GSW next season.

Where in the hell did that come from? I doubt gsw wants him. They're either signing Harrison Barnes or Kevin Durant. They're not wasting a max slot on Hassan Whiteside. That so weird. The bulk of their output does not come from their centers.

Yeah no way they go after Whiteside, The Laker, The Rockets, Boston and a few other teams make more sense. If the Mavs can beat the Thunder i doubt Durant stays but that means the Warriors would be the team to get him.

[Rock Hardy]

I haven't posted in forever, because I just haven't been able to watch any games live. I'm in Bangkok, and it's impossible to get up early for the games. But I have to say I've never been so happy to have been so wrong about a player. I'd honestly given up on Hassan. I thought you couldn't teach this dog any new tricks, but he's made a believer out of me. The future is bright for this kid.

[heat4life]

I haven't posted in forever, because I just haven't been able to watch any games live. I'm in Bangkok, and it's impossible to get up early for the games. But I have to say I've never been so happy to have been so wrong about a player. I'd honestly given up on Hassan. I thought you couldn't teach this dog any new tricks, but he's made a believer out of me. The future is bright for this kid.

Well, Hassan did have a lot to prove at first. Some of us had a few reservations as well at some point, maybe you more than others.

Nice of you to admit as much. Welcome to the "Believers" club!

[PizzaLord305]

No it simple. What Bosh does with his speed length and 3pt ability mesh better with what Spo wants. The Amare example was just to keep him as a place holder so when Bosh returns there is no question about who starts. As for ending game really who is going to end a game with Amare? Now if you have the option between Bosh ( assuming he is healthy) and Whiteside to end a game odds are Spo will go for Bosh because speed length and spacing with the 3pt shot. Bosh with his 3pt shooting drags out opposing centers opening space for either Wade or Dragic to attack the basket which is what Spo wants.

It is not simple. Amare is a placeholder? WTF?

By the way, have you noticed that Whiteside's jump shot was pretty consistent going down the stretch? I bet he'll start tossing in 3s next year. Every time the experts say there is something he can't do, he proves them wrong. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I'd give Bosh the edge in shooting at the moment, but Hassan's length will improve. Also in terms of speed, Whiteside is already faster.

Did Amare earn a starting spot? Not a Spo hater more like a Spo tolerater ( great game plan for game one). The funny thing is yes I could see Whiteside start tossing 3 next season which is crazy yet a testament to his devotion to improve.

lol bro theres no way in hell hassans gonna be shooting threes any time soon man or probably even ever. He's never going to be the shooter Bosh is. Those are two vastly different kinds of players yall are comparing lol.