Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[XtremeDunkz]

Here's another thing to consider, could Colangelo try to buy low on Carmelo if the Knicks can't put another star next to him at the end of the offseason?

Bryan could be looking to put a marketable player in Philly and NY might be blowing it up to build around Porzingis.

I'd never come back.

[Ericb5]

Here's another thing to consider, could Colangelo try to buy low on Carmelo if the Knicks can't put another star next to him at the end of the offseason?

Bryan could be looking to put a marketable player in Philly and NY might be blowing it up to build around Porzingis.

God I hope not!


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[Chamberlainship]

I could see the Sixers helping to facilitate a trade of Carmelo to a third team in exchange for that third team's young, promising player, but no way is Carmelo coming here.

[Sixerscan]

melo has a no trade clause sooo... Good luck with that.

[Chamberlainship]

^but do you think he wants to finish out his career playing with Porzingod? Seems like he could be persuaded to go someplace like Miami, Washington, Atlanta or Chicago if he could compete there.

[spaceballer]

^but do you think he wants to finish out his career playing with Porzingod? Seems like he could be persuaded to go someplace like Miami, Washington, Atlanta or Chicago if he could compete there.

Do you really see any of those places winning it all if they add Melo? Neither does Melo.

Chicago is stuck in purgatory as long as they're chained to that max contract with an injury-prone Rose.

Miami has an aging Wade and a Whiteside that's about to leave in free agency. It's not like Melo wants to get back together with Stat in Miami, especially with Amar'e taking potshots at him in the press lately.

Washington and Atlanta are probably no-go. Too small market. Melo and his reality tv star/actress wife LaLa fought tooth and nail to get out of Denver to go to a bigger market. And Melo said one of his reasons for re-signing with NY was that he wanted to use the media there as a platform for his business ventures. He claims he wants to be a "digital athlete", whatever the heck that means. He's not going to ditch a glamor market like NYC for Washington or Atlanta.

[Sixerscan]

^but do you think he wants to finish out his career playing with Porzingod? Seems like he could be persuaded to go someplace like Miami, Washington, Atlanta or Chicago if he could compete there.

I honestly think Melo really likes making a lot of money, playing in New York and being a Knick (in that order). There's been very little about his decision making throughout his career that has made me think his priorities are otherwise. Nothing wrong with that.

[Chamberlainship]

^Yeah. I get that vibe too. But the Knicks are kinda caught in between if they really think Porzingis is going to be a star. Melo is too young to already be playing the veteran-mentor role. he's still a star, if a very difficult one to build around. In an age where players talk all the time, I could see someone hatching a plan that includes landing Melo and making the pitch to him that he won't be remembered as a great player unless he makes another run.

[spaceballer]

^Yeah. I get that vibe too. But the Knicks are kinda caught in between if they really think Porzingis is going to be a star. Melo is too young to already be playing the veteran-mentor role. he's still a star, if a very difficult one to build around. In an age where players talk all the time, you could see someone hatching a plan that includes landing Melo.

Melo has a no-trade clause, even if the Knicks wanted to move him, they can't without his permission. That means it has to be to a big media market to appease his reality tv wife and his own personal business interests and ventures. Look at the places he looked at during his last free agency: NYC, LA, Chi.

Chicago is out with the Rose contract and the mess they're currently stuck in with GarPax.

It's not like the Brooklyn Nets are in a better place rebuilding-wise than the Knicks with Porzingis, so there's no reason to move across town.

That leaves LA with the Lakers and Clippers. Unless you're getting Westbrook or Durant to the Lakers, the Lakers youngins are probably worse than the Knicks' Porzingis, not to mention more headcases like Nick Young and whatever TMZ hidden camera schtick D'Angelo Russell is into next. And the Clippers are pretty maxed out, so trading for Melo would mean moving out a large contract like CP3 or Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan or something, which makes their team worse arguable and a sideways move at best with no hope of beating the Warriors dynasty anyway.

You can hatch all the plans you want to move Melo, but unless it's to a big media market glamor city with a chance to win it all, I don't see why he would sign off on it. He might, and I stress might, sign off on pairing up with Lebron or Steph Curry and a surefire path to a ring, but other than that, I don't think he'll approve any destination that's not NYC or LA (he even decided no to Chicago last free agency...there's a huge jump in media market size between NYC/LA and anywhere else).

[Negrodamus]

The more I think about it, I'm expecting a minor move or a massive move. Here's my thinking:

Nerlens's contract goes up at the end of next season. Following the season after that, we need to re-sign Embiid if he lives up to the hype/stays healthy, along with Covington and Grant. Then, obviously, we have Okafor.

So in the next three season, we are, presumably, handing out sizable contracts. Nerlens is going to be looking for opportunity (money and playing time), so I believe he will be traded this summer, but will that be enough? Say we bring in a Jimmy Butler and sign a few big free agents. Those guys will be here at least until the 2019-2020 season. That is a massive cap commitment with a bunch of young players probably looking for big money in that time span. In fact, this year's rookie class will be getting their second contract in that offseason. It comes a lot sooner than you think, and we will be very financially committed. Do we want to have a Derozan or Conley on the hook for a large deal during this whole ordeal? I hope not.

If we move Noel + picks + Cov or Stauskas for Butler, I hope he's it for this offseason. I wouldn't mind short vet contracts to round out the roster, but I don't want any real long term commitments

[Renegade_H]

Can we please remove Jerry's name from this Thread Title... trying to forget him.

[Stanford]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/4/19/11456512/bryan-colangelo-deserves-the-benefit-of-the-doubt

Good post from Max Rappaport. Looks like he's been dazzled.

[Agnostifarian]

The more I think about it, I'm expecting a minor move or a massive move. Here's my thinking:

Nerlens's contract goes up at the end of next season. Following the season after that, we need to re-sign Embiid if he lives up to the hype/stays healthy, along with Covington and Grant. Then, obviously, we have Okafor.

So in the next three season, we are, presumably, handing out sizable contracts. Nerlens is going to be looking for opportunity (money and playing time), so I believe he will be traded this summer, but will that be enough? Say we bring in a Jimmy Butler and sign a few big free agents. Those guys will be here at least until the 2019-2020 season. That is a massive cap commitment with a bunch of young players probably looking for big money in that time span. In fact, this year's rookie class will be getting their second contract in that offseason. It comes a lot sooner than you think, and we will be very financially committed. Do we want to have a Derozan or Conley on the hook for a large deal during this whole ordeal? I hope not.

If we move Noel + picks + Cov or Stauskas for Butler, I hope he's it for this offseason. I wouldn't mind short vet contracts to round out the roster, but I don't want any real long term commitments

Butler will be too pricey, IMO. If you do that deal, I think you have to look at winning the East in two years. Guys have short careers. You'd need a really bold plan like signing KD and convincing him to recruit Westbrook next year which caps you out. Then you'd have to pay luxury tax resigning your own players. All three of these moves are increasingly less likely.

Noel is the most logical center to trade since his is the first deal to expire. He would immediately help most teams. We might be more likely to get a deal for Middleton -- Noel & Sauce, maybe?

THIS OWNERSHIP GROUP HAS BEEN LURCHING FROM ONE PLAN TO ANOTHER LIKE A DRUNK, BLIND MAN AFFLICTED WITH MAD COW DISEASE GROPING FOR A RAILING IN A STAIRWAY. I sure hope they are ready to pay some luxury tax down the road. Quite frankly, they owe it to the fans -- especially the season ticket holders!

One last point, let's all take notice of how important perimeter defense has already been in the playoffs. If we give up on Noel, we need the a two way player!!

[Unbreakable99]

There it is. Okafor is outta here. I like the move. We can't keep all 3. Okafor will give us the most return. I can't hate this move nor should anyone else.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mikegillshow/status/723216718256959488[/tweet]

[Att]

What an idiot. Lower your price right now Bryan. Don't let anyone suspect you might keep all three this summer.

[Att]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/4/19/11456512/bryan-colangelo-deserves-the-benefit-of-the-doubt

Good post from Max Rappaport. Looks like he's been dazzled.

It's his job to look on the bright side of things - the reality is Bryan fails miserably in Toronto and was brought by his father to execute the exact opposite of the plan that we went with the last three years. It's a disgrace.

[XtremeDunkz]

There it is. Okafor is outta here. I like the move. We can't keep all 3. Okafor will give us the most return. I can't hate this move nor should anyone else.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mikegillshow/status/723216718256959488[/tweet]

Saying this publicly basically lowers the type of offers you are going to receive. Jesus Christ. I can't deal with this.

[Unbreakable99]

There it is. Okafor is outta here. I like the move. We can't keep all 3. Okafor will give us the most return. I can't hate this move nor should anyone else.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mikegillshow/status/723216718256959488[/tweet]

Saying this publicly basically lowers the type of offers you are going to receive. Jesus Christ. I can't deal with this.

Disagree. BC doesn't have to trade any of them. If he doesn't get a fair trade offer he can just keep them. Other teams already know we can't keep all three. It's better to try to trade now than to let them play together and not playing well together confirming they can't coexist and then getting squeezed even more since teams see one will definitely go. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know we can't keep all three. Saying it publicly isn't doing any harm in my opinion. Haven't we all already thought this already?

[XtremeDunkz]

There it is. Okafor is outta here. I like the move. We can't keep all 3. Okafor will give us the most return. I can't hate this move nor should anyone else.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mikegillshow/status/723216718256959488[/tweet]

Saying this publicly basically lowers the type of offers you are going to receive. Jesus Christ. I can't deal with this.

Disagree. BC doesn't have to trade any of them. If he doesn't get a fair trade offer he can just keep them. Other teams already know we can't keep all three. It's better to try to trade now than to let them play together and not playing well together confirming they can't coexist and then getting squeezed even more since teams see one will definitely go. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know we can't keep all three. Saying it publicly isn't doing any harm in my opinion. Haven't we all already thought this already?

If other GMs feel the Sixers HAVE to move one, then you will get lowball offers no question about it. We still don't know if Embiid will be able to play consistently or at a high level yet. Until that day comes, no you actually don't have to move one of them. So saying that publicly is just dumb. There is no reason for it.

[Stanford]

Calm the **** down. He hasn't done anything yet. Some of you are acting like Howard Eskin.