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Hack-a-Shaq Eliminated 

Post#1 » by Todd3 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:12 pm

So long, Hack-a-Shaq.

After years of debate over whether the strategy of fouling a weak free throw shooter in order to force him to take foul shots has a place in the NBA, it appears the league will find a way to eliminate the practice this summer.

“It’s not unanimous, but there’s clearly an emerging consensus that we need to address the situation,” NBA Commissioner Adam Silver said in a meeting with the Associated Press Sports Editors on Thursday afternoon at the league’s midtown Manhattan headquarters. “Exactly what the new rule should be is open for debate, and at least I’m hoping that between now and the next owner’s meeting in July we can create and form a consensus as to what the change in the rule should be.”

Kiki VanDeWeghe, the NBA’s vice president of basketball operations said it has been easy to note the explosion in use of the strategy this season, and that the league’s competition committee would be taking up a discussion this summer to try and find a way to fix the problem.

“It goes against the spirit of the rule book,” VanDeWeghe said. “Free throws were to compensate and deter fouls, not to encourage them. So I think we’re at the point where everyone agrees on that, not to belabor that, so what are the solutions?”

The thing that seems to have moved Silver more than anything on this issue was the impact the practice has on the length of games. Silver has been conscious of the length of games since becoming commissioner – including trying out a 44-minute game in an exhibition in Brooklyn, a proposal that fell flat – and said the practice’s impact on television has become an issue.

“One of my concerns from a business standpoint is when Hack-a-Shaq happens three or more times in a game, it adds approximately 11 minutes to the game,” Silver said. “Putting aside whether you like watching guys who can’t shoot free throws be placed in those pressurized situations and seeing if they make free throws, whether that’s good television or not, from our national broadcaster’s standpoint, it’s become a real business issue when many of our games are dramatically exceeding two-and-a-half-hour windows we have scheduled in our national broadcast window. …

“That’s one of the reasons why I feel the need to address that rule.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/04/21/adam-silver-and-the-nba-are-calling-foul-on-hack-a-shaq/

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Post#2 » by Han Solo » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:36 pm

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Best Pistons news all season. This will help Drummond immensely.
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Post#3 » by joedumars1 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:52 pm

Didn't think any day could get better than yesterday (4/20)
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Post#4 » by mercury » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:08 am

A good reason NOT to trade Dre
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Post#5 » by MotownMadness » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:32 am

Drummond will be a monster again
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Post#6 » by MotownMadness » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:33 am

Kinda why I wanted the Cavs to use it so much this series on a Playoffs national event. Just to expose it for hoe ridiculous it is.
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Post#7 » by DETermination » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:35 am

Dre going to have a great season next year
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Post#8 » by Pharaoh » Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:04 am

I LMAO that they're gonna change it because it makes the game longer and broadcast partners have other junk to televise.

It ain't about the "spirit" of the game! It's about the business
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Post#9 » by Snakebites » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:09 am

Well, I've been squarely in the "do something about this crap" camp since well before the Pistons were really being effected by it, but I'll still reserve judgement until we see what the rule actually is.
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Post#10 » by flow » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:41 am

MotownMadness wrote:Drummond will be a monster again


What do you mean? How does getting fouled/not getting fouled off the ball affect his 'being a monster'? Whatever the rule change is, it won't affect teams' ability to foul him when he has the ball or is going for the ball/going for a rebound.

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Post#11 » by MotownMadness » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:45 am

flow wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:Drummond will be a monster again


What do you mean? How does getting fouled/not getting fouled off the ball affect his 'being a monster'? Whatever the rule change is, it won't affect teams' ability to foul him when he has the ball or is going for the ball/going for a rebound.

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It makes a big difference. Being able to foul him off the ball can take him out of the game at any time and completely stop us from even setting up a offensive play. It's clearly taken a huge toll on his play since it's gotten worse as the season has gone on.
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Post#12 » by flow » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:02 am

MotownMadness wrote:
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MotownMadness wrote:Drummond will be a monster again


What do you mean? How does getting fouled/not getting fouled off the ball affect his 'being a monster'? Whatever the rule change is, it won't affect teams' ability to foul him when he has the ball or is going for the ball/going for a rebound.

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It makes a big difference. Being able to foul him off the ball can take him out of the game at any time and completely stop us from even setting up a offensive play. It's clearly taken a huge toll on his play since it's gotten worse as the season has gone on.


Right, the team is the big winner in the rule change because they can now simply choose to run the offense away from Drummond without the risk of being impeded by hack-a-dre. But I don't see it helping Drummond that much individually. Teams are still going to foul him; now they'll just wait til he's near the ball or has the ball.
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Post#13 » by MotownMadness » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:09 am

flow wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
flow wrote:
What do you mean? How does getting fouled/not getting fouled off the ball affect his 'being a monster'? Whatever the rule change is, it won't affect teams' ability to foul him when he has the ball or is going for the ball/going for a rebound.

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It makes a big difference. Being able to foul him off the ball can take him out of the game at any time and completely stop us from even setting up a offensive play. It's clearly taken a huge toll on his play since it's gotten worse as the season has gone on.


Right, the team is the big winner in the rule change because they can now simply choose to run the offense away from Drummond without the risk of being impeded by hack-a-dre. But I don't see it helping Drummond that much individually. Teams are still going to foul him; now they'll just wait til he's near the ball or has the ball.

He still has a problem as they can get him while involved in a play but nothing to this kind of extent. It's definitely effected his confidence all over the court.
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Post#14 » by bstein14 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:36 am

The simplest way to fix it is that if there is a foul away from the ball, the team gets to choose the free throw shooter they want out there.... I think that is what they will do. The bad thing is, this still won't prevent fouls on dre when he sets a screen, goes for a rebound, or has the ball... I don't think they can completely get rid of the hack a dre strategy only tone it down a bit.
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Post#15 » by Snakebites » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:02 am

bstein14 wrote:The simplest way to fix it is that if there is a foul away from the ball, the team gets to choose the free throw shooter they want out there.... I think that is what they will do. The bad thing is, this still won't prevent fouls on dre when he sets a screen, goes for a rebound, or has the ball... I don't think they can completely get rid of the hack a dre strategy only tone it down a bit.


I don't necessarily think such fouls should be eliminated. There should be some consequence to being a bad free throw shooter.

Its the fouls that happen before a play that I really have a problem with.
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Post#16 » by Arp590 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:08 pm

Snakebites wrote:
bstein14 wrote:The simplest way to fix it is that if there is a foul away from the ball, the team gets to choose the free throw shooter they want out there.... I think that is what they will do. The bad thing is, this still won't prevent fouls on dre when he sets a screen, goes for a rebound, or has the ball... I don't think they can completely get rid of the hack a dre strategy only tone it down a bit.


I don't necessarily think such fouls should be eliminated. There should be some consequence to being a bad free throw shooter.

Its the fouls that happen before a play that I really have a problem with.

Exactly. I don't have any issues with fouling him while he's shooting, rebounding.. or whatever. As long as he is fouled during an ACTUAL basketball play.
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Post#17 » by DarkSyde » Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:13 pm

Might as well get rid of the intentional foul at the end of games while there at it if they want to speed up the game. Have the teams actually win it on defense for a change eh!
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Post#18 » by theBigLip » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:18 pm

This is huge. Obviously motivated by business, which means something will happen for sure. And the only way to speed up the games is to NOT take the free throws by giving the team the option to take the ball out of bounds. This is great news for Dre and the Pistons!!!
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Post#19 » by bstein14 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:30 pm

Giving a team the option to take the ball out might still cause fouls in a close game... with a team to trying to get a steal off and inbound or a 5 second call they could just repeatedly foul dre until theyou force a turnover. I think they've got got change it to allow the coach to choose which player shoots the free throwshipping and then teams won't foul if it's Reggie who would be going to the line.
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Post#20 » by bardobeing » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:02 pm

Snakebites wrote:
bstein14 wrote:The simplest way to fix it is that if there is a foul away from the ball, the team gets to choose the free throw shooter they want out there.... I think that is what they will do. The bad thing is, this still won't prevent fouls on dre when he sets a screen, goes for a rebound, or has the ball... I don't think they can completely get rid of the hack a dre strategy only tone it down a bit.


I don't necessarily think such fouls should be eliminated. There should be some consequence to being a bad free throw shooter.

Its the fouls that happen before a play that I really have a problem with.


Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the new rule should be, if a player is fouled away from the play, that player shoots f/t #1 and the fouled team's coach chooses who shoots #2; that way there's a gamble that the 1st player will still miss the 1st, but less of a chance the chosen player misses number 2. So the opposing coach could gamble that they may limit the possession to 1 point, unless they get lucky and the "good" f/t shooter misses the 2nd; but run the risk that the crappy shooter makes the 1st

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