Hack-a-Shaq Eliminated

[Arp590]

The simplest way to fix it is that if there is a foul away from the ball, the team gets to choose the free throw shooter they want out there.... I think that is what they will do. The bad thing is, this still won't prevent fouls on dre when he sets a screen, goes for a rebound, or has the ball... I don't think they can completely get rid of the hack a dre strategy only tone it down a bit.

I don't necessarily think such fouls should be eliminated. There should be some consequence to being a bad free throw shooter.

Its the fouls that happen before a play that I really have a problem with.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the new rule should be, if a player is fouled away from the play, that player shoots f/t #1 and the fouled team's coach chooses who shoots #2; that way there's a gamble that the 1st player will still miss the 1st, but less of a chance the chosen player misses number 2. So the opposing coach could gamble that they may limit the possession to 1 point, unless they get lucky and the "good" f/t shooter misses the 2nd; but run the risk that the crappy shooter makes the 1st

That's a lot of moving around and decisions, time. Silver mentioned the length of these games have become a problem, so I don't think that's a viable solution. They probably foul less, but meh.

[bardobeing]

I don't necessarily think such fouls should be eliminated. There should be some consequence to being a bad free throw shooter.

Its the fouls that happen before a play that I really have a problem with.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the new rule should be, if a player is fouled away from the play, that player shoots f/t #1 and the fouled team's coach chooses who shoots #2; that way there's a gamble that the 1st player will still miss the 1st, but less of a chance the chosen player misses number 2. So the opposing coach could gamble that they may limit the possession to 1 point, unless they get lucky and the "good" f/t shooter misses the 2nd; but run the risk that the crappy shooter makes the 1st

That's a lot of moving around and decisions, time. Silver mentioned the length of these games have become a problem, so I don't think that's a viable solution. They probably foul less, but meh.

Not a tough decision...Dre has to shoot the 1st, Reggie shoots the 2nd; how long does it take Stan to pick a shooter for a tech?

[Arp590]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the new rule should be, if a player is fouled away from the play, that player shoots f/t #1 and the fouled team's coach chooses who shoots #2; that way there's a gamble that the 1st player will still miss the 1st, but less of a chance the chosen player misses number 2. So the opposing coach could gamble that they may limit the possession to 1 point, unless they get lucky and the "good" f/t shooter misses the 2nd; but run the risk that the crappy shooter makes the 1st

That's a lot of moving around and decisions, time. Silver mentioned the length of these games have become a problem, so I don't think that's a viable solution. They probably foul less, but meh.

Not a tough decision...Dre has to shoot the 1st, Reggie shoots the 2nd; how long does it take Stan to pick a shooter for a tech?

Maybe Reggie already missed 4 free throws this game? Regardless it wouldn't be immediate, there would be like a 10 second delay in there. Plus they would have to swap places at the line, move players around, rather than one FT shooter just staying in the same spot and immediately shooting his next FT.

[bardobeing]

That's a lot of moving around and decisions, time. Silver mentioned the length of these games have become a problem, so I don't think that's a viable solution. They probably foul less, but meh.

Not a tough decision...Dre has to shoot the 1st, Reggie shoots the 2nd; how long does it take Stan to pick a shooter for a tech?

Maybe Reggie already missed 4 free throws this game? Regardless it wouldn't be immediate, there would be like a 10 second delay in there. Plus they would have to swap places at the line, move players around, rather than one FT shooter just staying in the same spot and immediately shooting his next FT.

I hear you on the shuffling of players, but this rule makes it a bigger risk for opposing coaches to use the strategy, so would think twice about doing it. So less use of the strategy = shorter games right?

If the league wants to eliminate the strategy completely, they'd have to go coach's choice or 1 f/t + possession.

[Arp590]

Not a tough decision...Dre has to shoot the 1st, Reggie shoots the 2nd; how long does it take Stan to pick a shooter for a tech?

Maybe Reggie already missed 4 free throws this game? Regardless it wouldn't be immediate, there would be like a 10 second delay in there. Plus they would have to swap places at the line, move players around, rather than one FT shooter just staying in the same spot and immediately shooting his next FT.

I hear you on the shuffling of players, but this rule makes it a bigger risk for opposing coaches to use the strategy, so would think twice about doing it. So less use of the strategy = shorter games right?

If the league wants to eliminate the strategy completely, they'd have to go coach's choice or 1 f/t + possession.

Yeah it would definitely make teams use the strategy less. I like the 1 f/t + possession, but how would that work if say someone was fouled off the ball like normal? Do all off the ball fouls become 1 ft + possession?

[bardobeing]

Maybe Reggie already missed 4 free throws this game? Regardless it wouldn't be immediate, there would be like a 10 second delay in there. Plus they would have to swap places at the line, move players around, rather than one FT shooter just staying in the same spot and immediately shooting his next FT.

I hear you on the shuffling of players, but this rule makes it a bigger risk for opposing coaches to use the strategy, so would think twice about doing it. So less use of the strategy = shorter games right?

If the league wants to eliminate the strategy completely, they'd have to go coach's choice or 1 f/t + possession.

Yeah it would definitely make teams use the strategy less. I like the 1 f/t + possession, but how would that work if say someone was fouled off the ball like normal? Do all off the ball fouls become 1 ft + possession?

Only for sub 500 f/t shooters, lol. good point

Even today, if it's under 2:00, there are different rules for intentional fouls away from the play. What IS that rule?

[Arp590]

I hear you on the shuffling of players, but this rule makes it a bigger risk for opposing coaches to use the strategy, so would think twice about doing it. So less use of the strategy = shorter games right?

If the league wants to eliminate the strategy completely, they'd have to go coach's choice or 1 f/t + possession.

Yeah it would definitely make teams use the strategy less. I like the 1 f/t + possession, but how would that work if say someone was fouled off the ball like normal? Do all off the ball fouls become 1 ft + possession?

Only for sub 500 f/t shooters, lol. good point

Even today, if it's under 2:00, there are different rules for intentional fouls away from the play. What IS that rule?

MAYBE here's an idea, and this can apply to all off the ball fouls: They keep a separate count for off-ball fouls, once a number is reached, that puts you in the penalty and any off-ball foul becomes 1 FT + the ball.

So if someone is fouled off the ball on a rebound, going around a screen, or whatever.. they just take the ball back out and maybe add a few seconds back to the clock. After like the 3rd(?) off-ball foul it becomes 1 FT + the ball?
Just spit-balling here.

[bardobeing]

Maybe Reggie already missed 4 free throws this game? Regardless it wouldn't be immediate, there would be like a 10 second delay in there. Plus they would have to swap places at the line, move players around, rather than one FT shooter just staying in the same spot and immediately shooting his next FT.

I hear you on the shuffling of players, but this rule makes it a bigger risk for opposing coaches to use the strategy, so would think twice about doing it. So less use of the strategy = shorter games right?

If the league wants to eliminate the strategy completely, they'd have to go coach's choice or 1 f/t + possession.

Yeah it would definitely make teams use the strategy less. I like the 1 f/t + possession, but how would that work if say someone was fouled off the ball like normal? Do all off the ball fouls become 1 ft + possession?

Here's the rule if it's under 2:00:

Section X—Away-From-The-Play Foul
a. During the last two minutes of the fourth period or overtime period(s) with the offensive
team in possession of the ball, all personal fouls which are assessed against the defensive
team prior to the ball being released on a throw-in and/or away-from-the-play, shall be
administered as follows:
(1) A personal foul and team foul shall be assessed and one free throw attempt shall
be awarded. The free throw may be attempted by any player in the game at the
time the personal foul was committed.
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Official Rules for NBA -- 2013-2014 season
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(2) If the foul occurs when the ball is inbounds, the offended team shall be awarded
the ball at the nearest point where play was interrupted but no nearer to the baseline
than the free throw line extended.
(3) If the foul occurs prior to the release on a throw-in, the offended team shall be
awarded the ball at the original throw-in spot, with all privileges, if any, remaining.