2016 draft thread: Part 2

[Worm Guts]

Davis is generally projected late lottery and only averaged 7 points and 5 rebounds per game. If you honestly think he deserves to chosen top 6, that's fine but I don't want to reach for a guy just because he plays PF.

[RationalGaze]

Yeah I like bender as our pick but who is deyonta? Seems like there are so many intriguing big men in this draft with X factors like maker and qi who ppl dismiss due to their inexperience but they have loads of potential

Davis is being projected as an elite defensive talent given his intangibles with lateral quickness/movement and athletic shot blocking with him being a natural defender, but isn't broken on the offensive end as he displays a shooters touch. He was a 1 year or 2 year guy and he would be ready to be drafted. He just needs continued development and what better place than KG, Towns, Pek, DIeng, Bjelica, and Thibodeau to maximize his potential.

Davis is generally projected late lottery and only averaged 7 points and 5 rebounds per game. If you honestly think he deserves to chosen top 6, that's fine but I don't want to reach for a guy just because he plays PF.

There are a few Power Forwards to be had, but it's best to take the one that's going to best suit what you're building. As with high picks it's not just about what you're doing, but what you'll be doing in the future. Denzel was the main guy on offense as Izzo featured him the most and built around him, but Davis was a much needed player. He played Center for them given his shot blocking and being 6'10" 245lbs. supposedly and in time will be able to rotate more with Kat, but he isn't ready for 30 minutes of play.
If I had to choose I would choose Dragan, but the more I look at him I see no reasonable way Boston passes him up if they keep the 3rd pick. We'll have to let the thought of getting Dragan go and look at other forwards if we're to draft a future starter.

[Nitroglycerin]

I think Thibs will trade out. I even doubt Thibs is comfortable with Rubio-Lavine-Wiggins-KAT-G lineup. Even moreso a rookie in the starting lineup

Also you have to factor in that OKC struggled to keep their 3 headed monster. Wolves have Rubio,Lavine,Wiggins,KAT. G will get paid. Even if the cap is rising, it will be hard to keep all those guys without everyone taking sacrifices. Add to that a top 5 pick this year

[RationalGaze]

I think Thibs will trade out. I even doubt Thibs is comfortable with Rubio-Lavine-Wiggins-KAT-G lineup. Even moreso a rookie in the starting lineup

Also you have to factor in that OKC struggled to keep their 3 headed monster. Wolves have Rubio,Lavine,Wiggins,KAT. G will get paid. Even if the cap is rising, it will be hard to keep all those guys without everyone taking sacrifices. Add to that a top 5 pick this year

True it'll be harder to retain all, but getting a guy to replace Dieng in the event someone overpays for him works as well. 17 percent of the cap will mean a whole lot more than it used to. 51 percent going to LaVine, Wiggins, and Towns would go a long ways to retaining championship contenders. First things first and that'll be the 5th pick.

[Nitroglycerin]

OKC tried to build a team tru rookie contracts. Its cost effictive but eventually the Hardens and the Jacksons wants to get paid and wants the lead role

[Klomp]

OKC tried to build a team tru rookie contracts. Its cost effictive but eventually the Hardens and the Jacksons wants to get paid and wants the lead role

So what do you propose? Go the Brooklyn route and trade all our picks for vets?

It's important to be smart with everything we have. If trading the No. 5 pick for an overpriced vet has a possibility of costing us the chance of keeping one of our young guys, then that's not smart either.

[Nitroglycerin]

Its not smart either to stack up prospects. Cant win in the NBA with teens. But I'm not the one making the decision. It's Thibs' problem so we'll just see what route he chooses

[Klomp]

Its not smart either to stack up prospects. Cant win in the NBA with teens.

Not all the guys we are looking at are teenagers. A few of them are even older than Wiggins and LaVine.

[No-Man]

Trading the pick makes no sense, there is not much out there that you can get for likely 5-6th pick in this Draft honestly.
Especially having cap space to sign similar players, also it could be the last year with this rookie scale.

[GimmeDat]

Was talking with a couple of Wolves fans on the draft board, it seemed there would be some interest in something based around a variation of -

Taj + #14 + Felicio + Kings pick for #5.

FYI, the Kings pick is Top 10 protected next season, or else it becomes a 2nd rounder. They finished equal 8th/9th/10th this season, so basically any improvement on this season and you get a late lottery pick next year. It's the Kings though, so personally I'd put those odds at 30-40%. Guess we'll see.

Felicio is a undrafted rookie C who broke out for us in the last half of the season and is projected to be our backup going forward. Given KAT, Dieng, and in this scenario even Taj can play minutes at C, he wouldn't be a full time backup, but he's still a nice, solid guy to get and he's locked into a minimum contract for a couple more years. I know you're not too keen on more young players, but he's already 23/24 and is ready.

At #14 you're looking at Jackson/Baldwin/Davis/Korkmaz etc., personally for us the guys we're hoping have a chance to drop are Luwawu or Poetll.

If you're not enamoured with the guys outside of the Top 3, I think it makes sense. I don't think I need to go into much detail about how great Taj would be for you guys, especially with the Thibs connection, and if you can get a backup C, fill another hole with the pick, and have another chance at a pick the next year, I think it would be a great move for you guys, especially if you're looking to make an immediate jump. If Bender's on the board, you have to go for Bender, but I understand the doubt when it comes to Brown/Hield/Murray.

[TwolvesFanRome]

I hope we'll pick J. Murray...

What do you think about him?

Anyway i think will be better trade our pick...but i have no idea for who..

I trust in Thib actually i hope in a great sg...

[Sugarless]

Was talking with a couple of Wolves fans on the draft board, it seemed there would be some interest in something based around a variation of -

Taj + #14 + Felicio + Kings pick for #5.

FYI, the Kings pick is Top 10 protected next season, or else it becomes a 2nd rounder. They finished equal 8th/9th/10th this season, so basically any improvement on this season and you get a late lottery pick next year. It's the Kings though, so personally I'd put those odds at 30-40%. Guess we'll see.

Felicio is a undrafted rookie C who broke out for us in the last half of the season and is projected to be our backup going forward. Given KAT, Dieng, and in this scenario even Taj can play minutes at C, he wouldn't be a full time backup, but he's still a nice, solid guy to get and he's locked into a minimum contract for a couple more years. I know you're not too keen on more young players, but he's already 23/24 and is ready.

At #14 you're looking at Jackson/Baldwin/Davis/Korkmaz etc., personally for us the guys we're hoping have a chance to drop are Luwawu or Poetll.

If you're not enamoured with the guys outside of the Top 3, I think it makes sense. I don't think I need to go into much detail about how great Taj would be for you guys, especially with the Thibs connection, and if you can get a backup C, fill another hole with the pick, and have another chance at a pick the next year, I think it would be a great move for you guys, especially if you're looking to make an immediate jump. If Bender's on the board, you have to go for Bender, but I understand the doubt when it comes to Brown/Hield/Murray.

Taj may have the connection with Thibs but he's not a good fit with what the Wolves need. For all his hard work on defense you know he's just an average rebounder and he's limited offensively in today's game, he's not a very good or willing passer and doesn't have an outside shot. Defense at the 4 is one of the Wolves main needs and he'd cover that, but it has to come with some kind of a 3-pt shot.

I don't think it'd be the worst offer with the 14th pick (the Kings' one may very well end up being just a 2nd, so I wouldn't count on it that much), but I think the #5 should net you something more interesting. Otherwise you just keep it and try to sign Horford, Parsons, Deng, Marvin Williams or Terrence Jones, and even if none of them worked you'd still have the room and assets to bring in someone else.

[GimmeDat]

Was talking with a couple of Wolves fans on the draft board, it seemed there would be some interest in something based around a variation of -

Taj + #14 + Felicio + Kings pick for #5.

FYI, the Kings pick is Top 10 protected next season, or else it becomes a 2nd rounder. They finished equal 8th/9th/10th this season, so basically any improvement on this season and you get a late lottery pick next year. It's the Kings though, so personally I'd put those odds at 30-40%. Guess we'll see.

Felicio is a undrafted rookie C who broke out for us in the last half of the season and is projected to be our backup going forward. Given KAT, Dieng, and in this scenario even Taj can play minutes at C, he wouldn't be a full time backup, but he's still a nice, solid guy to get and he's locked into a minimum contract for a couple more years. I know you're not too keen on more young players, but he's already 23/24 and is ready.

At #14 you're looking at Jackson/Baldwin/Davis/Korkmaz etc., personally for us the guys we're hoping have a chance to drop are Luwawu or Poetll.

If you're not enamoured with the guys outside of the Top 3, I think it makes sense. I don't think I need to go into much detail about how great Taj would be for you guys, especially with the Thibs connection, and if you can get a backup C, fill another hole with the pick, and have another chance at a pick the next year, I think it would be a great move for you guys, especially if you're looking to make an immediate jump. If Bender's on the board, you have to go for Bender, but I understand the doubt when it comes to Brown/Hield/Murray.

Taj may have the connection with Thibs but he's not a good fit with what the Wolves need. For all his hard work on defense you know he's just an average rebounder and he's limited offensively in today's game, he's not a very good or willing passer and doesn't have an outside shot. Defense at the 4 is one of the Wolves main needs and he'd cover that, but it has to come with some kind of a 3-pt shot.

I don't think it'd be the worst offer with the 14th pick (the Kings' one may very well end up being just a 2nd, so I wouldn't count on it that much), but I think the #5 should net you something more interesting. Otherwise you just keep it and try to sign Horford, Parsons, Deng, Marvin Williams or Terrence Jones, and even if none of them worked you'd still have the room and assets to bring in someone else.

He doesn't have 3 point range, but it is very hard to find a '3 and D' PF. Given KAT has range himself, I figured an interior scorer like him would compliment him well. He's an average defensive rebounder, but an extremely good offensive one. Great vet presence as well.

There's a bunch of different directions you could go with the pick, but given Thibs is in, I think it it would be a sweet addition. I'm rooting for you guys.

[Worm Guts]

Its not smart either to stack up prospects. Cant win in the NBA with teens. But I'm not the one making the decision. It's Thibs' problem so we'll just see what route he chooses

Nobody is going to be in their teens when the Wolves are contending for championships, and trading our pick for a vet probably isn't going to make us one now. The big thing about a rookie contract is that we'll still have control in 4 years when contention is more realistic. With a vet you have no control once that contract is up.
The challenge right now is to try win while still realizing our best opportunities are still a few years in the future.

[RationalGaze]

Was talking with a couple of Wolves fans on the draft board, it seemed there would be some interest in something based around a variation of -

Taj + #14 + Felicio + Kings pick for #5.

FYI, the Kings pick is Top 10 protected next season, or else it becomes a 2nd rounder. They finished equal 8th/9th/10th this season, so basically any improvement on this season and you get a late lottery pick next year. It's the Kings though, so personally I'd put those odds at 30-40%. Guess we'll see.

Felicio is a undrafted rookie C who broke out for us in the last half of the season and is projected to be our backup going forward. Given KAT, Dieng, and in this scenario even Taj can play minutes at C, he wouldn't be a full time backup, but he's still a nice, solid guy to get and he's locked into a minimum contract for a couple more years. I know you're not too keen on more young players, but he's already 23/24 and is ready.

At #14 you're looking at Jackson/Baldwin/Davis/Korkmaz etc., personally for us the guys we're hoping have a chance to drop are Luwawu or Poetll.

If you're not enamoured with the guys outside of the Top 3, I think it makes sense. I don't think I need to go into much detail about how great Taj would be for you guys, especially with the Thibs connection, and if you can get a backup C, fill another hole with the pick, and have another chance at a pick the next year, I think it would be a great move for you guys, especially if you're looking to make an immediate jump. If Bender's on the board, you have to go for Bender, but I understand the doubt when it comes to Brown/Hield/Murray.

Jackson and Baldwin aren't lottery picks so let's get that out of the way.
Deyonta is the prospect I'm sold on to get and even after the tests he's still there then that's a trade.
But, if the Bulls' front office truly hates Thibs then I don't see much exchanging going on between the two. I think Davis gets picked up before the 14th pick so no can do. Don't need to have Taj just 14, Felicio, and Kings pick.

[RationalGaze]

I hope we'll pick J. Murray...

What do you think about him?

Anyway i think will be better trade our pick...but i have no idea for who..

I trust in Thib actually i hope in a great sg...

LaVine will be that great sg.
I'd sold on Jamal succeeding, but it's going to be another team.

OKC tried to build a team tru rookie contracts. Its cost effictive but eventually the Hardens and the Jacksons wants to get paid and wants the lead role

Presti decided to sign Perkins then offered Harden a less contract than what Houston ended up offering to get Harden. Cap has a lot more options nowadays so it's easier to retain the players you draft and develop throughout the years.

[rugbyrugger23]

Davis is generally projected late lottery and only averaged 7 points and 5 rebounds per game. If you honestly think he deserves to chosen top 6, that's fine but I don't want to reach for a guy just because he plays PF.

Davis is my ideal PF, not sure who Thibs has as his ideal PF in draft. I would not reach for him at 5.

If Wolves don't trade pick for player currently on NBA roster, I think they should draft Murray. If they keep him, another story. They should wait until late lotto with Davis still on draft board. Call the team drafting in Davis range and offer Murray. I think Magic-Jazz-Suns-Bulls-Nuggets would all covet Murray and they all have additional assets to accompany Davis.

Ideal would be Nuggets with 15+19. Draft Davis and at 19 draft best wing player still on draft board. Plus leverage 1 of their future 1sts owed.

[rugbyrugger23]

Just ran Draft Simulator, and first attempt was my ideal outcome:

1. Wolves...let the debate and trade offers circus begin!
2. Celtics (from Nets)...Eastern conference team still saying FU to New York based team.
3. 76ers...don't reward the tank with a 1-2 selection in 2 player draft.
4. 76ers (from Lakers)...Lakers yet another set back.
5. Suns...the first Western conference team (outside Wolves) to select. And at 5, a guard deep Suns now has to make a big decision at a draft spot that is guard deep.

[RationalGaze]

Just ran Draft Simulator, and first attempt was my ideal outcome:

1. Wolves...let the debate and trade offers circus begin!
2. Celtics (from Nets)...Eastern conference team still saying FU to New York based team.
3. 76ers...don't reward the tank with a 1-2 selection in 2 player draft.
4. 76ers (from Lakers)...Lakers yet another set back.
5. Suns...the first Western conference team (outside Wolves) to select. And at 5, a guard deep Suns now has to make a big decision at a draft spot that is guard deep.

Dragan
Ingram
jamal
timothe
Deyonta

[Killboard]

Yeah I like bender as our pick but who is deyonta? Seems like there are so many intriguing big men in this draft with X factors like maker and qi who ppl dismiss due to their inexperience but they have loads of potential

Davis is being projected as an elite defensive talent given his intangibles with lateral quickness/movement and athletic shot blocking with him being a natural defender, but isn't broken on the offensive end as he displays a shooters touch. He was a 1 year or 2 year guy and he would be ready to be drafted. He just needs continued development and what better place than KG, Towns, Pek, DIeng, Bjelica, and Thibodeau to maximize his potential.

Davis is generally projected late lottery and only averaged 7 points and 5 rebounds per game. If you honestly think he deserves to chosen top 6, that's fine but I don't want to reach for a guy just because he plays PF.

There are a few Power Forwards to be had, but it's best to take the one that's going to best suit what you're building. As with high picks it's not just about what you're doing, but what you'll be doing in the future. Denzel was the main guy on offense as Izzo featured him the most and built around him, but Davis was a much needed player. He played Center for them given his shot blocking and being 6'10" 245lbs. supposedly and in time will be able to rotate more with Kat, but he isn't ready for 30 minutes of play.
If I had to choose I would choose Dragan, but the more I look at him I see no reasonable way Boston passes him up if they keep the 3rd pick. We'll have to let the thought of getting Dragan go and look at other forwards if we're to draft a future starter.

I would like rabb more than davis. Today is the final day to make his declaration.