Jaylen Brown

[Duke4life831]

Man and I thought i was a big fan of Brown. But his floor being a borderline all star? Come on his floor is a great athlete that struggles to become anything and is basically forgotten in 5 years. There are plenty of great physical specimens with a ton of potential that end up doing nothing. Hell almost every team has a great athlete at the end of their bench. I really like Brown but he is high risk because how raw he is and kinda high reward.

[Duke4life831]

How does he compare to Stanley Johnson and Justice Winslow? I don't think he's better than any of them.

Cause he's not. I like all 3 guys but winslow and Stanley were the better prospects and still are. Both Stanley and Justise have a much much higher floor, they're both more natural ball players as well, feel for the game and IQ. I think they both have higher potential as well. If Brown was in last year's draft I think he'd go around 13th

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Brown is a much better athlete than Johnson, and has a standing reach either 2.5" or 3" higher. Maybe more by the time of the Combine.

Johnson is a better jump shooter than Brown, is about 10-15 lbs stronger, and is more polished.
Johnson is the safer pick, but his pedestrian athleticism limits his potential, especially in creating his own shot. Johnson will always be a good role player, and probably Crowder-level himself, but Brown has more upside than that because of his electric athleticism and promising skill set.

Winslow is a full inch shorter than Brown, and while a better athlete than Johnson, not quite the athlete that Brown is. But he's not the shooter that Johnson is, so Winslow and Johnson rate about the same overall.

Johnson has the best height, length, AND athleticism of the 3, which means he has more versatility to help raise his basement, and more potential if his skill set continues to develop.
In a game of inches, being that extra inch or two longer, and that extra split second quicker, and that extra couple inches higher when jumping, it all adds up. And Brown shows the base level of coordination needed to refine his scoring around the rim and with his jump shot.

Nobody thought Johnson would get drafted before Winslow. Hard to tell where Brown would have gone, especially without seeing his draft season progress yet. He's still attending classes full time, I believe.

[ET Da Gawd]

He can shoot jump defend pass and hit the 3, strong body and very explosive, he'll be better than Johnson porter and winslow


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A lot of strong, athletic, high character, high intelligence, hard working small forwards coming out lately.

Not a lot of Josh Smith types lately

[rick_21]

3PT % in college (similar number of attempts):

Justise Winslow: 41.4%
Stanley Johnson: 37.1%
Jaylen Brown: 29.4%

So yeah, keep saying that Jaylen Brown can hit the 3 and that he is the best shooter...

[Duke4life831]

3PT % in college (similar number of attempts):

Justise Winslow: 41.4%
Stanley Johnson: 37.1%
Jaylen Brown: 29.4%

So yeah, keep saying that Jaylen Brown can hit the 3 and that he is the best shooter...

Ya anyone who is saying Brown is the best shooter out of the 3 or even a good 3 point shooter, just means they haven't watched Brown. Brown has the lowest basketball IQ out of the 3, least natural feel for the game out of the 3 and has the lowest floor out of the 3. Stanley and Justise have been able to make impacts their rookie year on playoff teams, don't expect to say the same about Brown. Stanley and Justise were also far superior defenders than Brown. Here are more stats when it comes to their offense

TS%
Justise Winslow: 57.2%
Stanley Johnson: 55.1%
Jaylen Brown: 51.8%

EFG%
Justise Winslow: 55.1%
Stanley Johnson: 50.1%
Jaylen Brown: 47.1%

Offensive rating
Justise Winslow: 115.2
Stanley Johnson: 111.1
Jaylen Brown: 98.4

Again Brown is the worst defender out of the 3 and Ya he's the best athlete but it's not that big of a gap between the 3 when it comes to athleticism

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3PT % in college (similar number of attempts):

Justise Winslow: 41.4%
Stanley Johnson: 37.1%
Jaylen Brown: 29.4%

So yeah, keep saying that Jaylen Brown can hit the 3 and that he is the best shooter...

Ya anyone who is saying Brown is the best shooter out of the 3 or even a good 3 point shooter, just means they haven't watched Brown. Brown has the lowest basketball IQ out of the 3, least natural feel for the game out of the 3 and has the lowest floor out of the 3. Stanley and Justise have been able to make impacts their rookie year on playoff teams, don't expect to say the same about Brown. Stanley and Justise were also far superior defenders than Brown. Here are more stats when it comes to their offense

TS%
Justise Winslow: 57.2%
Stanley Johnson: 55.1%
Jaylen Brown: 51.8%

EFG%
Justise Winslow: 55.1%
Stanley Johnson: 50.1%
Jaylen Brown: 47.1%

Offensive rating
Justise Winslow: 115.2
Stanley Johnson: 111.1
Jaylen Brown: 98.4

Again Brown is the worst defender out of the 3 and Ya he's the best athlete but it's not that big of a gap between the 3 when it comes to athleticism

Nobody said Brown is the best shooter. Only that his superior athleticism and length gives him the highest long-term upside as a scorer (not shooter).

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3PT % in college (similar number of attempts):

Justise Winslow: 41.4%
Stanley Johnson: 37.1%
Jaylen Brown: 29.4%

So yeah, keep saying that Jaylen Brown can hit the 3 and that he is the best shooter...

Ya anyone who is saying Brown is the best shooter out of the 3 or even a good 3 point shooter, just means they haven't watched Brown. Brown has the lowest basketball IQ out of the 3, least natural feel for the game out of the 3 and has the lowest floor out of the 3. Stanley and Justise have been able to make impacts their rookie year on playoff teams, don't expect to say the same about Brown. Stanley and Justise were also far superior defenders than Brown. Here are more stats when it comes to their offense

TS%
Justise Winslow: 57.2%
Stanley Johnson: 55.1%
Jaylen Brown: 51.8%

EFG%
Justise Winslow: 55.1%
Stanley Johnson: 50.1%
Jaylen Brown: 47.1%

Offensive rating
Justise Winslow: 115.2
Stanley Johnson: 111.1
Jaylen Brown: 98.4

Again Brown is the worst defender out of the 3 and Ya he's the best athlete but it's not that big of a gap between the 3 when it comes to athleticism

If you look at conference play, however, you get a very different picture:

games
Winslow 18
Johnson 18
Brown 18

2pt FGs
Winslow 66-134 53.2%
Johnson 68-142 47.9%
Brown 76-151 50.3%

3pt FGs
Winslow 22-53 41.5%
Johnson 14-48 29.2%
Brown 19-55 34.5%

FTs
Winslow 41-69 59.4%
Johnson 64-79 81.0%
Brown 77-119 65.7%

Points per game
Winslow 13.3
Johnson 13.4
Brown 15.9


Why look at conference play? Because they're freshmen, there's going to be an adjustment period at the beginning of the year, and the level of competition in non-conference play is all over the place. Also, with conference play you can compare it to their overall season averages and see if they are improving as the year goes on.

The stats of Winslow, Johnson, and Brown are almost identical overall in conference play, other than Brown getting to the FT line a lot more, and Johnson being the best FT shooter by far.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/justise-winslow-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/stanley-johnson-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jaylen-brown-1.html

[Treadmill_Team]

I have a feeling Jalyen and Skal will both fall and people will regret it. the same way Drummand and Myles Turner fell after lack luster Freshman years. All these players had a lot of hype coming out of High School and didn't live up to the hype in College. Sometimes it just takes a little longer for young kids to develop

[ItsThatEasy]

His ceiling for me is a Corey Maggette type player.

[doordoor123]

I have a feeling Jalyen and Skal will both fall and people will regret it. the same way Drummand and Myles Turner fell after lack luster Freshman years. All these players had a lot of hype coming out of High School and didn't live up to the hype in College. Sometimes it just takes a little longer for young kids to develop

Drummond and Turner barely "fell"
I think everyone is expecting him to be a good player, I just don't see him as the next Kawhi Leonard. With Drummond and Turner I was SURE they were going to be two of the best players in the draft. I was sure about LaVine too. When someone is fun to watch (other than with shooting), odds are they turn into good players. While Drummond, Turner and LaVine didn't seem like the best prospects, they had moments where you'd say, "they could be fun to watch." For Drummond, it was his big body and the way he threw it around. For Turner it was his quick hands blocking and his smooth high post game. For LaVine it was his super quick first step. Players with little things like that seem to translate. I don't see anything like that from Brown. Who I DO see something like that in is Marquese Chriss -- it's why I'm sure he'll succeed at the next level.

[Nuggets18]

Brown and Johnson didnt play with Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook and Jahlil Okafor

[doordoor123]

Brown and Johnson didnt play with Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook and Jahlil Okafor

Brown DID play with Ivan Rabb and Tyrone Wallace though. Those two aren't scrubs.

[Duke4life831]

Brown and Johnson didnt play with Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook and Jahlil Okafor

Stanley played with Pac 12 1st team PG TJ Mcconnell. Tyus was super clutch and came up huge for Duke in March but its not like he lit the ACC on fire, he was good dont get me wrong (3rd team All ACC) but he wasnt like Senior Hurley out there. As a college player a senior Mcconnell was a little better than a freshman Tyus. Stanley played on a pretty stacked Zona team

[EMG518]

Brown and Johnson didnt play with Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook and Jahlil Okafor

Stanley played with Pac 12 1st team PG TJ Mcconnell. Tyus was super clutch and came up huge for Duke in March but its not like he lit the ACC on fire, he was good dont get me wrong (3rd team All ACC) but he wasnt like Senior Hurley out there. As a college player a senior Mcconnell was a little better than a freshman Tyus. Stanley played on a pretty stacked Zona team

Sorry but that is completely false. The point guard play in Arizona was no where near that of Duke. Did you watch any Arizona games?, the spacing was terrible and the point guard play was not good.

[Duke4life831]

Brown and Johnson didnt play with Tyus Jones, Quinn Cook and Jahlil Okafor

Stanley played with Pac 12 1st team PG TJ Mcconnell. Tyus was super clutch and came up huge for Duke in March but its not like he lit the ACC on fire, he was good dont get me wrong (3rd team All ACC) but he wasnt like Senior Hurley out there. As a college player a senior Mcconnell was a little better than a freshman Tyus. Stanley played on a pretty stacked Zona team

Sorry but that is completely false. The point guard play in Arizona was no where near that of Duke. Did you watch any Arizona games?, the spacing was terrible and the point guard play was not good.

TJ Mcconnell was Pac 12 1st team.

10 ppg, 50% shooting, 6.3 assists, 2.1 TOS

Tyus Jones ACC 3rd team

12 ppg, 41% shooting, 5.6 assists, 1.9 TOs.

TJ Mcconnell was a really good college PG. And yes I watched over 30 of their games that year

[DirtyDez]

Stanley played with Pac 12 1st team PG TJ Mcconnell. Tyus was super clutch and came up huge for Duke in March but its not like he lit the ACC on fire, he was good dont get me wrong (3rd team All ACC) but he wasnt like Senior Hurley out there. As a college player a senior Mcconnell was a little better than a freshman Tyus. Stanley played on a pretty stacked Zona team

Sorry but that is completely false. The point guard play in Arizona was no where near that of Duke. Did you watch any Arizona games?, the spacing was terrible and the point guard play was not good.

TJ Mcconnell was Pac 12 1st team.

10 ppg, 50% shooting, 6.3 assists, 2.1 TOS

Tyus Jones ACC 3rd team

12 ppg, 41% shooting, 5.6 assists, 1.9 TOs.

TJ Mcconnell was a really good college PG. And yes I watched over 30 of their games that year

He's probably mixing up this past year's Arizona team with the one two years ago. Otherwise he's just looking at TJ's stats and making assumptions. How did we got on this topic again?

[Duke4life831]

Sorry but that is completely false. The point guard play in Arizona was no where near that of Duke. Did you watch any Arizona games?, the spacing was terrible and the point guard play was not good.

TJ Mcconnell was Pac 12 1st team.

10 ppg, 50% shooting, 6.3 assists, 2.1 TOS

Tyus Jones ACC 3rd team

12 ppg, 41% shooting, 5.6 assists, 1.9 TOs.

TJ Mcconnell was a really good college PG. And yes I watched over 30 of their games that year

He's probably mixing up this past year's Arizona team with the one two years ago. Otherwise he's just looking at TJ's stats and making assumptions. How did we got on this topic again?

I'm not mixing anything up. It was stated that Justise had an advantage in college because he played alongside Tyus Jones while Stanley and Jaylen didn't have that luxury. I agree about that with Jaylen. But I was just pointing out Stanley played alongside a senior McConnell who was a very good college PG. It's not like Stanley played with some scrub PG. And no its not me just looking at stats, I watched almost every Arizona game that year, McConnell was a very good PG, his numbers and post season awards just back that up

[DirtyDez]

TJ Mcconnell was Pac 12 1st team.

10 ppg, 50% shooting, 6.3 assists, 2.1 TOS

Tyus Jones ACC 3rd team

12 ppg, 41% shooting, 5.6 assists, 1.9 TOs.

TJ Mcconnell was a really good college PG. And yes I watched over 30 of their games that year

He's probably mixing up this past year's Arizona team with the one two years ago. Otherwise he's just looking at TJ's stats and making assumptions. How did we got on this topic again?

I'm not mixing anything up. It was stated that Justise had an advantage in college because he played alongside Tyus Jones while Stanley and Jaylen didn't have that luxury. I agree about that with Jaylen. But I was just pointing out Stanley played alongside a senior McConnell who was a very good college PG. It's not like Stanley played with some scrub PG. And no its not me just looking at stats, I watched almost every Arizona game that year, McConnell was a very good PG, his numbers and post season awards just back that up

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Uh I'm an Arizona fan and on your side here... I was talking about the other dude. TJ was a great PG for Arizona and wrecked DAngelo Russell in the tourney. Watching the Cats this year showed how much we missed him.