2016 Playoffs Round 1: OKC Thunder vs. Dallas Mavericks

[bondom34]

Unreal, that means your advanced statistics are nothing but garbage. If you watched the game, at one point, 16 out of 24 points came from Kanter, and your statistics says he had net zero. It shows you that your statiscs are garbage. You mean if he didnt play, OKC would be better off.

In statistics, there is a saying, garbage in garbage out, any statsitics based on plus and minuses is garbage by me, hence, the result is garbage.

It means that actually he's bad enough defensively that his points were entirely negated by his awful defense.

He wasn't a net zero, he was a negative in the fourth. If he didn't play, the defense would have been better. Great he scored 16 points, not great if he gave up 20.

Not too tough a concept that scoring isn't as good if you give up more than you score.

I dont know how old you are, I am 53, and I studied 5 years statistics in graduate level, players are not randomly chosen to make a team, then your statiscs are worthless. your statistics says he was net negative in the fourth, I am sure anyone who watched the 4th quarter, maybe 100 hundert percent would say his net effect was positive, and at least by a margin of ten points... This shows you any statistics based on plus and minuses are garbage.

Good to know.

But whatever you studied wasn't basketball, because its great he scored a lot. Fantastic.

But scoring 16 and giving up 20 isn't good.

Last year they had games scoring in the 120s and losing, that's not the desired result.

Its a pretty simple idea. Give up less than you score, so if he was a -4 all that says is he scored a ton, but gave up even more. Not sure how that's hard to get. He's just awful defensively and its not even against good big men right now.

[Bergmaniac]

It is not like Kanter was the only defender out there on the court in the 4th. The whole team played pretty terrible defense. And Adams had a DRTG of 111 for the game. Kanter had DRTG of 113. Ibaka had DRTG of 125.

[actively]

If you watched the game in the fourth, and still you believe he scored 16 and gave 20, I have nothing to argue with you. You may still believe your statistics, just like many people here, who post here, without watching the game, just look at the numbers, and comment on them. Garbage in garbage out.

[Marcus50]

Before we all get too self congratulatory our defense last night again a broken Dallas side was awful. They have nothing to offer on offense apart from Dirk and racked up over 100 points. We scored freely but could not shake them and it came down to very ordinary defense

[KD35Brah]

If you watched the game in the fourth, and still you believe he scored 16 and gave 20, I have nothing to argue with you. You may still believe your statistics, just like many people here, who post here, without watching the game, just look at the numbers, and comment on them. Garbage in garbage out.

He was horrible defensively in the 4th, we were trading baskets the whole quarter....

He couldn't deter anything away from the rin, it's not like he wasn't trying, he just couldn't stop them in the paint. At all.

[Marcus50]

If you watched the game in the fourth, and still you believe he scored 16 and gave 20, I have nothing to argue with you. You may still believe your statistics, just like many people here, who post here, without watching the game, just look at the numbers, and comment on them. Garbage in garbage out.

The team did not defend well in the 4th. We got away with it because the Mavs are broken but for all our scoring we coughed up a 1 point deficit. This isn't a Kanter issue it's a team issue. The defense was poor last night and we get away with it against the Mavs. We play like that against the Spurs it's 0-4, season over. I hope your not saying you were happy with OKCs defense yesterday.

[actively]

If you watched the game in the fourth, and still you believe he scored 16 and gave 20, I have nothing to argue with you. You may still believe your statistics, just like many people here, who post here, without watching the game, just look at the numbers, and comment on them. Garbage in garbage out.

He was horrible defensively in the 4th, we were trading baskets the whole quarter....

He couldn't deter anything away from the rin, it's not like he wasn't trying, he just couldn't stop them in the paint. At all.

I am not saying his defense was good, but his net effect was not negative. Any statistcs which says his net effect was negative, is garbage in my opinion. Garbage in garbage out.

Again Kanter is 23, and has still a lot to learn defensively and ofensively.

[bondom34]

So he gave up more than he scored.....and people just don't believe it.

[Bergmaniac]

So he gave up more than he scored.....and people just don't believe it.

The Mavs made 4 baskets in the paint in the 4th quarter. And Kanter sent Dirk to the line once (totally BS call, BTW) and Matthews once. So he was responsible for 11 points max since Matthews missed one of the FTs. also one of the pain baskets was a Felton miracle shot which he challenged well.

[actively]

So he gave up more than he scored.....and people just don't believe it.

I only believe he still has a lot to improve, because he is a soldier, he fight for a cause, and ultimately he will succeed.

[bondom34]

So he gave up more than he scored.....and people just don't believe it.

I only believe he still has a lot to improve, because he is a soldier, he fight for a cause, and ultimately he will succeed.

I do to. But they have better players right now with the same room to improve.

[actively]

So he gave up more than he scored.....and people just don't believe it.

I only believe he still has a lot to improve, because he is a soldier, he fight for a cause, and ultimately he will succeed.

I do to. But they have better players right now with the same room to improve.

You sound like you have a agenda, just like many writers here at realgm, most opinions are biased, and not random, statistically speaking. It is hard to find real opinions. Good luck to you all.

[bondom34]

I only believe he still has a lot to improve, because he is a soldier, he fight for a cause, and ultimately he will succeed.

I do to. But they have better players right now with the same room to improve.

You sound like you have a agenda, just like many writers here at realgm, most opinions are biased, and not random, statistically speaking. It is hard to find real opinions. Good luck to you all.

I do, I want this team to win. Kanter helps that against backup big men. But at 17 mil, that can be better spent.

[Bergmaniac]

Kanter had a negative rating in the fourth because he sat for a bit in the end when Westbrook made 4 free throws when fouled intentionally. Also he would have easily had a positive net rating if the rest of the team had not shot awfully in that period (3 of 13).

[Old Man Game]

Kanter had a negative rating in the fourth because he sat for a bit in the end when Westbrook made 4 free throws when fouled intentionally. Also he would have easily had a positive net rating if the rest of the team had not shot awfully in that period (3 of 13).

How could what happens on the floor when he's not in the game impact his net rating?

[Bergmaniac]

Kanter had a negative rating in the fourth because he sat for a bit in the end when Westbrook made 4 free throws when fouled intentionally. Also he would have easily had a positive net rating if the rest of the team had not shot awfully in that period (3 of 13).

How could what happens on the floor when he's not in the game impact his net rating?

If he had been in, he would have had a better rating since Westbrook would have made the FTs anyway.

[actively]

Kanter had a negative rating in the fourth because he sat for a bit in the end when Westbrook made 4 free throws when fouled intentionally. Also he would have easily had a positive net rating if the rest of the team had not shot awfully in that period (3 of 13).

Your explanation alone shows pluses and minuses are garbage. İf anybody thinks his net impact was negative in the fourth, is biased, has an agenda, or did not watch the game.

[RunOKC]

So he gave up more than he scored.....and people just don't believe it.

Why do you keep saying he? There are 5 people out on the court. The fourth quarter was a mess BESIDES Kanter/Westbrook on offense. KD/Ibaka Flagrants/Bricked shots led to free throws and extra posessions for the Mavs too.

If that was Adams in the game instead of Kanter the game would have went down to the wire, as we wouldn't have been getting easy buckets every trip down the floor (When KD wasn't throwing up garbage shots)

[tleikheen]

So he gave up more than he scored.....and people just don't believe it.

All year long ,anything Kanter does you sh*t on it ,Anyone disagrees you threaten to ban them here.
Must hurt to see Westbrook wave up substituting Adams in for Kanter.I mean you'll dig up some obscure stat how Adams won 55 games for OKC and how Kanter lost the 27 games for OKC.
Now the playoffs are here and it's Kanters fault on defense.... again.I guess Durant's troubles have no effect on the games.

[Old Man Game]

Kanter had a negative rating in the fourth because he sat for a bit in the end when Westbrook made 4 free throws when fouled intentionally. Also he would have easily had a positive net rating if the rest of the team had not shot awfully in that period (3 of 13).

How could what happens on the floor when he's not in the game impact his net rating?

If he had been in, he would have had a better rating since Westbrook would have made the FTs anyway.

That's tempting but I don't think it works that way where we just presume the exact same outcome of the plays when a player isn't on the floor.