2016 Playoffs Round 1: OKC Thunder vs. Dallas Mavericks

actively · Post #781 » by **actively** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:08 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
actively wrote:Kanter s defense will not be issue in a couple of years, as he gets more playing time. He has still more to learn from Collision and Adams. Adams was not that great last year, when he was playing with the second unit. Kanter is a gifted player, and defense comes with work and playing time.

That is pretty optimistic. This is his fifth NBA season, he is already played over 8,000 minutes. And his wingspan will always be pretty short for an NBA centre and his lateral quickness will always be pretty poor. He should get better, but chances are his defence will always been an issue to some degree.

He is a different player last two years, especially spirutally. He works hard, like a soldier, my son is from the same school he went to in Istanbul. He gives his life for his leader. I think he needs to work hard to serve his leader politically, and religiously. As I said he grew a lot as a person.

actively · Post #782 » by **actively** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:10 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
actively wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Don't get all worked up because some Kanter fanboy is looking for attention.

I want attention??, nice, how rude of you, English is my second or third language, I just like him, he just doent deserve this much hate here, as a player, as a person.

Of course you are. You don't want to believe something and in order to justify your uninformed opinion, you're just calling it garbage.

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I will ignore you, you are waste of time.

tleikheen · Post #783 » by **tleikheen** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:20 pm

There are bigmen that have improved defensively over time, but none of them were ever this bad. And the way he's playing right now on the offensive end is really all we can ask for:

If Kanter wasn't there now ,lots of basketball fans might be laughing at OKC now as they might be trailing a broken down Dallas squad .

Post #784 » by **bondom34** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:48 pm

Okay, enough with the attacks. I haven't had to take any action yet, but if it keeps up I will. Yeah he had a good game, but he still terrible defensively, okay, enough with the attacks. I haven't had to take any action yet, but if it keeps up I will. Yeah he had a good game, but he's still terrible defensively, and it gets really old when anyone who criticize its him is suddenly attacked because he is apparently carrying the steam somewhere when he really hasn't. If he weren't in this series, the team would be fine.

Old Man Game · Post #785 » by **Old Man Game** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:57 pm

It would be pretty freakin' amazing if they could flip him for a good shooting guard.

Post #786 » by **bondom34** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:53 am

Old Man Game wrote:It would be pretty freakin' amazing if they could flip him for a good shooting guard.

Starting to think they may.

spearsy23 · Post #787 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:29 am

28 points on 12/13 shooting and he was +6. Yeah, the guys he normally plays with suck but this is the way it's always been with him no matter who he plays alongside. Kanter has to be perfect offensively to be a positive on court influence, and in his defense, he often is. But It's a lot easier to win with a good defensive center, and Adams is one of the best.

Old Man Game · Post #788 » by **Old Man Game** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:44 am

spearsy23 wrote:28 points on 12/13 shooting and he was +6. Yeah, the guys he normally plays with suck but this is the way it's always been with him no matter who he plays alongside. Kanter has to be perfect offensively to be a positive on court influence, and in his defense, he often is. But It's a lot easier to win with a good defensive center, and Adams is one of the best.

And, as was said before, its not like Adams is Perkins (or Thabeet). He's at least decent finishing some of those dump offs.

Marcus50 · Post #789 » by **Marcus50** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:59 am

I'm not sure I get the narrative from some here. Did I watch a different game yesterday. I thought Adams was pretty solid. 14 and 8 all of a sudden makes him disposable. It's laughable really

NaturalThunder · Post #790 » by **NaturalThunder** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:33 am

Marcus50 wrote:I'm not sure I get the narrative from some here. Did I watch a different game yesterday. I thought Adams was pretty solid. 14 and 8 all of a sudden makes him disposable. It's laughable really

Who's saying that other than a couple of Kanter homers? I think most here agree that Adams is now and always will be our best longterm option at center. He's got legit defensive anchor potential (already closing in on it, really) and is a more than capable catch and finish center with a (slowly) improving and solid post game.

Post #791 » by **bondom34** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:03 am

Marcus50 wrote:I'm not sure I get the narrative from some here. Did I watch a different game yesterday. I thought Adams was pretty solid. 14 and 8 all of a sudden makes him disposable. It's laughable really

I think you're reading the 2 people who are only Kanter fans and not OKC fans.

Post #792 » by **bondom34** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:22 am

Also want to point out that some Mavs fans are just really complaining. Chuck is awesome, and most of them are good but man a couple whiners out there. The complaints are insane. And taking cheap shots at the Thunder like they are a bunch of scrubs is unreal.

KD35Brah · Post #793 » by **KD35Brah** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:05 am

bondom34 wrote:Also want to point out that some Mavs fans are just really complaining. Chuck is awesome, and most of them are good but man a couple whiners out there. The complaints are insane. And taking cheap shots at the Thunder like they are a bunch of scrubs is unreal.

It's funny none of this was happening before they got into Westbrook and Payne's face during their pre game ritual because they were salty about getting blown out in game 1.

Pathetic.

Bergmaniac · Post #794 » by **Bergmaniac** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:06 am

bondom34 wrote:Also want to point out that some Mavs fans are just really complaining. Chuck is awesome, and most of them are good but man a couple whiners out there. The complaints are insane.

Yeah, someone said that apparently winning an away playoff game by 11 is "humiliating" for the Thunder. That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board, which says a lot.

actively · Post #795 » by **actively** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:29 am

bondom34 wrote:Okay, enough with the attacks. I haven't had to take any action yet, but if it keeps up I will. Yeah he had a good game, but he still terrible defensively, okay, enough with the attacks. I haven't had to take any action yet, but if it keeps up I will. Yeah he had a good game, but he's still terrible defensively, and it gets really old when anyone who criticize its him is suddenly attacked because he is apparently carrying the steam somewhere when he really hasn't. If he weren't in this series, the team would be fine.

I am a Kanter homer, I already said that, nothing is wrong with that. But you say you are OKC only fan, and you say Kanter gave away 20, and scored 16 in the fourth . So his net impact was negative in the forth. I have a problem with that.
I believe you are Adams only fan. Your blind hate on Kanter is clearly visible, when he played his best game, and best quarter in his career. You base your argument on plus and minuses, which is considered garbage data in statistics. Statistics is a science based on randomization. If data is garbage, what you get is also garbage.
I only said good things about Adams. If he continues to play well, you cant keep two good centers in the same team, no team will affortd that. One player should leave the team, there is nothing wrong with that. It is going to be interesting to know who will stay. Many things depend on KD. If Kd stays, he will prefer a defensive center like Perkins perhaps. If he leaves I am afraid you will be stacked with more Kanter.

Post #796 » by **bondom34** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:33 am

actively wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Okay, enough with the attacks. I haven't had to take any action yet, but if it keeps up I will. Yeah he had a good game, but he still terrible defensively, okay, enough with the attacks. I haven't had to take any action yet, but if it keeps up I will. Yeah he had a good game, but he's still terrible defensively, and it gets really old when anyone who criticize its him is suddenly attacked because he is apparently carrying the steam somewhere when he really hasn't. If he weren't in this series, the team would be fine.

I am a Kanter homer, I already said that, nothing is wrong with that. But you say you are OKC only fan, and you say Kanter gave away 20, and scored 16 in the fourth . So his net impact was negative in the forth. I have a problem with that.
I believe you are Adams only fan. Your blind hate on Kanter is clearly visible, when he played his best game, and best quarter in his career. You base your argument on plus and minuses, which is considered garbage data in statistics. Statistics is a science based on randomization. If data is garbage, what you get is also garbage.
I only said good things about Adams. If he continues to play well, you cant keep two good centers in the same team, no team will affortd that. One player should leave the team, there is nothing wrong with that. It is going to be interesting to know who will stay. Many things depend on KD. If Kd stays, he will prefer a defensive center like Perkins perhaps. If he leaves I am afraid you will be stacked with more Kanter.

I was a fan of the team before Adams.

I like him b/c he's a better player.

And Kanter played well overall last night, but still has much bigger issues with defense than his offense provides. He's making a ton of money and still has an overall negative effect relative to Adams.

And the data is not garbage, its points. If you give up more than you score, you lose.

actively · Post #797 » by **actively** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:43 am

bondom34 wrote:
actively wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Okay, enough with the attacks. I haven't had to take any action yet, but if it keeps up I will. Yeah he had a good game, but he still terrible defensively, okay, enough with the attacks. I haven't had to take any action yet, but if it keeps up I will. Yeah he had a good game, but he's still terrible defensively, and it gets really old when anyone who criticize its him is suddenly attacked because he is apparently carrying the steam somewhere when he really hasn't. If he weren't in this series, the team would be fine.

I am a Kanter homer, I already said that, nothing is wrong with that. But you say you are OKC only fan, and you say Kanter gave away 20, and scored 16 in the fourth . So his net impact was negative in the forth. I have a problem with that.
I believe you are Adams only fan. Your blind hate on Kanter is clearly visible, when he played his best game, and best quarter in his career. You base your argument on plus and minuses, which is considered garbage data in statistics. Statistics is a science based on randomization. If data is garbage, what you get is also garbage.
I only said good things about Adams. If he continues to play well, you cant keep two good centers in the same team, no team will affortd that. One player should leave the team, there is nothing wrong with that. It is going to be interesting to know who will stay. Many things depend on KD. If Kd stays, he will prefer a defensive center like Perkins perhaps. If he leaves I am afraid you will be stacked with more Kanter.

I was a fan of the team before Adams.

I like him b/c he's a better player.

And Kanter played well overall last night, but still has much bigger issues with defense than his offense provides. He's making a ton of money and still has an overall negative effect relative to Adams.

And the data is not garbage, its points. If you give up more than you score, you lose.

Tank you for your opinion. Clearly you have right what you believe in. I respect if you really think so. I just can stand politics, blind hate, prejudice. Why do not people get along.

actively · Post #798 » by **actively** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:02 am

I still think Donovans best kept secret weapon is Kanter in the playoffs. EOKC has good chance to beat Spurs, and Warriors even if KD plays like garbage. Only time will tell.

Pillendreher · Post #799 » by **Pillendreher** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:19 am

Old Man Game wrote:It would be pretty freakin' amazing if they could flip him for a good shooting guard.

I think some fool GM is bound to gain interest in him. But what team is desperate enough to trade for him and has a good shooting guard?
I could see Dallas maybe trading Matthews for him, but I don't know about that. Wes seems to have lost several steps after his injury.

And never discount Presti's ineptitude. It would be just like him to refuse trading Kanter.

KD35Brah wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Also want to point out that some Mavs fans are just really complaining. Chuck is awesome, and most of them are good but man a couple whiners out there. The complaints are insane. And taking cheap shots at the Thunder like they are a bunch of scrubs is unreal.
It's funny none of this was happening before they got into Westbrook and Payne's face during their pre game ritual because they were salty about getting blown out in game 1.

Pathetic.

Oh I've had German Dallas fans telling me they'd upset us with a full squad and even this depleted Dallas squad would have a better chance against the Spurs. Big words for a team that hasn't won a Playoff series in five years.

actively wrote:I still think Donovans best kept secret weapon is Kanter in the playoffs. EOKC has good chance to beat Spurs, and Warriors even if KD plays like garbage. Only time will tell.

No they don't. If our best players continues to have the worst playoffs of his career, we're not going anywhere.

actively · Post #800 » by **actively** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:49 am

I am sure Kanter and Dion are very underrated in this group, and both of them still young and have heart for OKC, but lately KD is not playing with heart. I am afraid he will continue to do so in Spurs and Warriors series. If supporting cast Kanter, Dion, Adams , and Ibaka continue to play good, we have a shot at the finals no matter how Kd plays. Donovan wont make the same mistakes he did in Game 2. It will be interesting to know that many writers in this forum will still unhappy with Kanter and Dion.