The Next Coach (SCOTT BROOKS HIRED pg.13)

[queridiculo]

It could be worse. Yeah, the process was focacta, but Brooks is a good coach. They could have done worse. This isn't Kevin Loughery or Leonard Hamilton.

"focacta" ?? -- Kev, you need some help w/ your Yiddish, dude! Then again, Yiddish is actually written using Hebrew letters, so I suppose any transliteration should be allowed.

Still, it's usually "verkocht" or "verkochte" (depending on gender of the word it's modifying), though I've also seen it w/ an "f" instead of a "v" and in that case sometimes w/ an "a" instead of the "e". Occasionally a "k" in place of the "c."

It's from a German/Dutch word that essentially means "f@cked up" -- but literally it's "sh@tted up".

Semantically, OTOH, you are right. Ted and Ernie "sollt seyn wie eyn tschaendelier. Sollt haengen und brennen."

("...should be like a chandelier -- he should hang and burn!" -- Yiddish is given to extreme expressions, so please understand I don't mean that literally!)

Learn something every day! I just learned my use of "focacta" is verkochte or farkakte (depending on where you look).

Well, yiddish is very close to German, so it should be "verkackte" where kacke is slang for fecal matter. "verkochte" would mean overcooked

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"focacta" ?? -- Kev, you need some help w/ your Yiddish, dude! Then again, Yiddish is actually written using Hebrew letters, so I suppose any transliteration should be allowed.

Still, it's usually "verkocht" or "verkochte" (depending on gender of the word it's modifying), though I've also seen it w/ an "f" instead of a "v" and in that case sometimes w/ an "a" instead of the "e". Occasionally a "k" in place of the "c."

It's from a German/Dutch word that essentially means "f@cked up" -- but literally it's "sh@tted up".

Semantically, OTOH, you are right. Ted and Ernie "sollt seyn wie eyn tschaendelier. Sollt haengen und brennen."

("...should be like a chandelier -- he should hang and burn!" -- Yiddish is given to extreme expressions, so please understand I don't mean that literally!)

Learn something every day! I just learned my use of "focacta" is verkochte or farkakte (depending on where you look).

Well, yiddish is very close to German, so it should be "verkackte" where kacke is slang for fecal matter. "verkochte" would mean overcooked

You're going to tell me about Yiddish? You're going to tell me what "it should be?" You got the creds for this?

That said, upon reflection I think I *have* more often seen "verkockte" than "verkochte".

But, what "verkochte" means in German is irrelevant: once again, Yiddish words aren't written with any letters of the Roman alphabet, they're written with Hebrew letters. They are, however, *transliterated* into Roman letters (e.g. my longer Yiddish "curse" above) where it's necessary to represent their *sound* (not their sense) in that form.

[Illuminaire]

If only people had spent the last few years debating those better moves for better players and higher upside coaches. If only there were a repository of those debates easily available on a network of connected devices, recorded for all the world to see.

Oh, wait.

Who do you think the Wizards should have hired instead of Brooks?

From page 2 of this thread:

I vote Thibs. I've listened to several interviews with him since he was fired, and he really comes across as a student of the game. Very intelligent, very articulate, and quite knowledgeable about analytics too.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Learn something every day! I just learned my use of "focacta" is verkochte or farkakte (depending on where you look).

Well, yiddish is very close to German, so it should be "verkackte" where kacke is slang for fecal matter. "verkochte" would mean overcooked

You're going to tell me about Yiddish? You're going to tell me what "it should be?" You got the creds for this?

That said, upon reflection I think I *have* more often seen "verkockte" than "verkochte".

But, what "verkochte" means in German is irrelevant: once again, Yiddish words aren't written with any letters of the Roman alphabet, they're written with Hebrew letters. They are, however, *transliterated* into Roman letters (e.g. my longer Yiddish "curse" above) where it's necessary to represent their *sound* (not their sense) in that form.

I was just reporting what I learned from the googles.

My actual knowledge of Yiddish is limited to basically the words that became common usage English words. I do find that some Yiddish words are the best I know at conveying what I mean: dreck, oy vey, mensch, for example. I love the word zaftig. Well, not just the word.

[stevemcqueen1]

If only people had spent the last few years debating those better moves for better players and higher upside coaches. If only there were a repository of those debates easily available on a network of connected devices, recorded for all the world to see.

Oh, wait.

Who do you think the Wizards should have hired instead of Brooks?

From page 2 of this thread:

I vote Thibs. I've listened to several interviews with him since he was fired, and he really comes across as a student of the game. Very intelligent, very articulate, and quite knowledgeable about analytics too.

I definitely would have been on board with hiring Thibs. Great coach, and he fit our criteria of having HC experience and a good track record. But he wasn't a realistic candidate for us. He wasn't going to accept a situation where he didn't get Team President and personnel control, and he had a negative history with the franchise from what happened in 2008.

[ozthegap]

Plus hiring Thibs would lead to the agent zero situation all over again. EFG would sign Beal to the new max Thibs would run him to permanent injury and we'd have another untradeable contract on the books. Because Wizards. The worst scenario always ends up happening.

[JAR69]

Well, yiddish is very close to German, so it should be "verkackte" where kacke is slang for fecal matter. "verkochte" would mean overcooked

You're going to tell me about Yiddish? You're going to tell me what "it should be?" You got the creds for this?

That said, upon reflection I think I *have* more often seen "verkockte" than "verkochte".

But, what "verkochte" means in German is irrelevant: once again, Yiddish words aren't written with any letters of the Roman alphabet, they're written with Hebrew letters. They are, however, *transliterated* into Roman letters (e.g. my longer Yiddish "curse" above) where it's necessary to represent their *sound* (not their sense) in that form.

I was just reporting what I learned from the googles.

My actual knowledge of Yiddish is limited to basically the words that became common usage English words. I do find that some Yiddish words are the best I know at conveying what I mean: dreck, oy vey, mensch, for example. I love the word zaftig. Well, not just the word.

This is what I love about this board - any thread can turn hall of fame on a dime.

Yiddish is best at both insults and expressions of woe. Both of which are perfect for the Wizards fan. How many of these could be used to apply to the team, its management, it fans? http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2013/10/61-hilarious-yiddish-insults-you-need-to-know/. Du farkirtst mir di yorn! ("You'll be the death of me!")

I'm sure EG know a lot of Yiddish - born in Romania to Holocaust survivors, brought up pretty observant.

[McFilthy]

You're going to tell me about Yiddish? You're going to tell me what "it should be?" You got the creds for this?

That said, upon reflection I think I *have* more often seen "verkockte" than "verkochte".

But, what "verkochte" means in German is irrelevant: once again, Yiddish words aren't written with any letters of the Roman alphabet, they're written with Hebrew letters. They are, however, *transliterated* into Roman letters (e.g. my longer Yiddish "curse" above) where it's necessary to represent their *sound* (not their sense) in that form.

I was just reporting what I learned from the googles.

My actual knowledge of Yiddish is limited to basically the words that became common usage English words. I do find that some Yiddish words are the best I know at conveying what I mean: dreck, oy vey, mensch, for example. I love the word zaftig. Well, not just the word.

This is what I love about this board - any thread can turn hall of fame on a dime.

Yiddish is best at both insults and expressions of woe. Both of which are perfect for the Wizards fan. How many of these could be used to apply to the team, its management, it fans? http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2013/10/61-hilarious-yiddish-insults-you-need-to-know/. Du farkirtst mir di yorn! ("You'll be the death of me!")

I'm sure EG know a lot of Yiddish - born in Romania to Holocaust survivors, brought up pretty observant.

Scott Brooks may not be a bad hire, but Grunfeld is still the GM - Oye vey!

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Grunfeld: A choleryeh ahf dir

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Well, yiddish is very close to German, so it should be "verkackte" where kacke is slang for fecal matter. "verkochte" would mean overcooked

You're going to tell me about Yiddish? You're going to tell me what "it should be?" You got the creds for this?

That said, upon reflection I think I *have* more often seen "verkockte" than "verkochte".

But, what "verkochte" means in German is irrelevant: once again, Yiddish words aren't written with any letters of the Roman alphabet, they're written with Hebrew letters. They are, however, *transliterated* into Roman letters (e.g. my longer Yiddish "curse" above) where it's necessary to represent their *sound* (not their sense) in that form.

I was just reporting what I learned from the googles.

My actual knowledge of Yiddish is limited to basically the words that became common usage English words. I do find that some Yiddish words are the best I know at conveying what I mean: dreck, oy vey, mensch, for example. I love the word zaftig. Well, not just the word.

Kev... I was responding to Queridiculo in the above -- not you. "Responding" = "yanking his chain."

But, I agree that Yiddish words can be extremely descriptive. On point. And you mention some. Another one I like is "verklempt" -- all choked up.

Plus, there are English words that often make me think of Yiddish: "far-fetched" is one.

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Grunfeld: A choleryeh ahf dir

Er soll kacken gehn ahf deh levanah
(he should go take a sh#t on the moon)

While we're on the subject of language, this is my favorite recent NBA-related headline: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241687/Kevon-Looney-Undergoes-Surgery-On-Left-Hop

[WizTom]

It could be worse. Yeah, the process was focacta, but Brooks is a good coach. They could have done worse. This isn't Kevin Loughery or Leonard Hamilton.

"focacta" ?? -- Kev, you need some help w/ your Yiddish, dude! Then again, Yiddish is actually written using Hebrew letters, so I suppose any transliteration should be allowed.

Still, it's usually "verkocht" or "verkochte" (depending on gender of the word it's modifying), though I've also seen it w/ an "f" instead of a "v" and in that case sometimes w/ an "a" instead of the "e". Occasionally a "k" in place of the "c."

It's from a German/Dutch word that essentially means "f@cked up" -- but literally it's "sh@tted up".

Semantically, OTOH, you are right. Ted and Ernie "sollt seyn wie eyn tschaendelier. Sollt haengen und brennen."

("...should be like a chandelier -- he should hang and burn!" -- Yiddish is given to extreme expressions, so please understand I don't mean that literally!)

Actually, PIF, your spelling is not accurate.

"Verkocht" or "verkochte" would translate to "cooked."

It should be "verkackte", the German word root being "die Kacke."

That's the children-present version of the English "poo-poo," which one would use instead of "die Scheisse," or "sh#t."

Although, it must be said, people use "Scheisse" much more conversationally in Germany than people use "sh#t" in the USA.

"Verschissen" is also used to mean "screwed-up" as in, "You really blew it." Literally, it means you sh#t yourself.

Either way, it's applicable to the Wizards' so-called "process" in hiring a new coach. Self-cooked. Self-sh#tted. Whatever. Or both. First you cook yourself. Then you sh#t yourself. That's the Wizards' way!

#FireEFG

Edit:
Whoops. Queridiculo got on it quicker and clearer than I did. But my point remains.

#FireEFG

[krii]

Yeah ... so I speak some languages but never had a proper lesson of Yiddish in my life.

PS. In Polish we would transliterate oy woy as "aj waj" where j stands for English y

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This is what I love about this board - any thread can turn hall of fame on a dime.

What's the Yiddish for that?

Yiddish is best at both insults and expressions of woe. Both of which are perfect for the Wizards fan. How many of these could be used to apply to the team, its management, it fans? http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2013/10/61-hilarious-yiddish-insults-you-need-to-know/. Du farkirtst mir di yorn! ("You'll be the death of me!")

But... it's also true that Yiddish had a multi-century and very deep literary culture - serious stuff: http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Yiddish_Literature/Yiddish_Literature_before_1800

I'm sure EG know a lot of Yiddish - born in Romania to Holocaust survivors, brought up pretty observant.

For sure. If only he knew a lot about being a good NBA GM, we'd be all set!

In that regard, unfortunately, Er drayt sich arum vie a forts in roosl.

("He wanders around like a fart in a pickle barrel" -- and, no, I have no idea what it's talking about!)

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It could be worse. Yeah, the process was focacta, but Brooks is a good coach. They could have done worse. This isn't Kevin Loughery or Leonard Hamilton.

"focacta" ?? -- Kev, you need some help w/ your Yiddish, dude! Then again, Yiddish is actually written using Hebrew letters, so I suppose any transliteration should be allowed.

Still, it's usually "verkocht" or "verkochte" (depending on gender of the word it's modifying), though I've also seen it w/ an "f" instead of a "v" and in that case sometimes w/ an "a" instead of the "e". Occasionally a "k" in place of the "c."

It's from a German/Dutch word that essentially means "f@cked up" -- but literally it's "sh@tted up".

Semantically, OTOH, you are right. Ted and Ernie "sollt seyn wie eyn tschaendelier. Sollt haengen und brennen."

("...should be like a chandelier -- he should hang and burn!" -- Yiddish is given to extreme expressions, so please understand I don't mean that literally!)

Actually, PIF, your spelling is not accurate.

"Verkocht" or "verkochte" would translate to "cooked."

It should be "verkackte", the German word root being "die Kacke."

That's the children-present version of the English "poo-poo," which one would use instead of "die Scheisse," or "sh#t."

Although, it must be said, people use "Scheisse" much more conversationally in Germany than people use "sh#t" in the USA.

"Verschissen" is also used to mean "screwed-up" as in, "You really blew it." Literally, it means you sh#t yourself.

Either way, it's applicable to the Wizards' so-called "process" in hiring a new coach. Self-cooked. Self-sh#tted. Whatever. Or both. First you cook yourself. Then you sh#t yourself. That's the Wizards' way!

#FireEFG

Edit:
Whoops. Queridiculo got on it quicker and clearer than I did. But my point remains.

#FireEFG

Yes, you have said the same thing as Queridiculo, and like Queridiculo you failed to read these words in my post above: "Yiddish is actually written using Hebrew letters."

There is no accurate or inaccurate way of "spelling" Yiddish using Roman letters. Whatever you do, all you are doing is trying to "transliterate" -- i.e. to capture the *sound* not the *sense.*

That said, you are correct that it's more often transliterated w/ a "k" than an "h."

[JAR69]

This is what I love about this board - any thread can turn hall of fame on a dime.

What's the Yiddish for that?

Yiddish is best at both insults and expressions of woe. Both of which are perfect for the Wizards fan. How many of these could be used to apply to the team, its management, it fans? http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2013/10/61-hilarious-yiddish-insults-you-need-to-know/. Du farkirtst mir di yorn! ("You'll be the death of me!")

But... it's also true that Yiddish had a multi-century and very deep literary culture - serious stuff: http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Yiddish_Literature/Yiddish_Literature_before_1800

I'm sure EG know a lot of Yiddish - born in Romania to Holocaust survivors, brought up pretty observant.

For sure. If only he knew a lot about being a good NBA GM, we'd be all set!

In that regard, unfortunately, Er drayt sich arum vie a forts in roosl.

("He wanders around like a fart in a pickle barrel" -- and, no, I have no idea what it's talking about!)

Just thought of this - any chance Scott Brooks is related to Mel? The Sweet Georgia Brown scene in To Be or Not To Be makes a lot more sense now.

[LyricalRico]

I don't have a huge problem with Scott Brooks (although I do wonder about his offense), but I would have felt better about it if they had interviewed multiple candidates. Still, it's better than the Lakers waiting almost 2 weeks to fire their coach and now guys like Thibbs/Brooks are already off the market.

[Tricky_Kid]

Ehh, Kemp was a pretty big diva for most of his career too. He got traded to Cleveland because the Sonics got fed up with his sulking, constant demands/ultimatums and laziness.

What??? In polish you say woj not waj you better demand refund from your polish teacher

Yeah ... so I speak some languages but never had a proper lesson of Yiddish in my life.

PS. In Polish we would transliterate oy woy as "aj waj" where j stands for English y

This is what I love about this board - any thread can turn hall of fame on a dime.

What's the Yiddish for that?

Yiddish is best at both insults and expressions of woe. Both of which are perfect for the Wizards fan. How many of these could be used to apply to the team, its management, it fans? http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2013/10/61-hilarious-yiddish-insults-you-need-to-know/. Du farkirtst mir di yorn! ("You'll be the death of me!")

But... it's also true that Yiddish had a multi-century and very deep literary culture - serious stuff: http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Yiddish_Literature/Yiddish_Literature_before_1800

I'm sure EG know a lot of Yiddish - born in Romania to Holocaust survivors, brought up pretty observant.

For sure. If only he knew a lot about being a good NBA GM, we'd be all set!

In that regard, unfortunately, Er drayt sich arum vie a forts in roosl.

("He wanders around like a fart in a pickle barrel" -- and, no, I have no idea what it's talking about!)

Wysłane z mojego LG-P880 przy użyciu Tapatalka

[Tricky_Kid]

Ehh, Kemp was a pretty big diva for most of his career too. He got traded to Cleveland because the Sonics got fed up with his sulking, constant demands/ultimatums and laziness.

What??? In polish you say woj not waj you better demand refund from your polish teacher

Yeah ... so I speak some languages but never had a proper lesson of Yiddish in my life.

PS. In Polish we would transliterate oy woy as "aj waj" where j stands for English y

This is what I love about this board - any thread can turn hall of fame on a dime.

What's the Yiddish for that?

Yiddish is best at both insults and expressions of woe. Both of which are perfect for the Wizards fan. How many of these could be used to apply to the team, its management, it fans? http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2013/10/61-hilarious-yiddish-insults-you-need-to-know/. Du farkirtst mir di yorn! ("You'll be the death of me!")

But... it's also true that Yiddish had a multi-century and very deep literary culture - serious stuff: http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Yiddish_Literature/Yiddish_Literature_before_1800

I'm sure EG know a lot of Yiddish - born in Romania to Holocaust survivors, brought up pretty observant.

For sure. If only he knew a lot about being a good NBA GM, we'd be all set!

In that regard, unfortunately, Er drayt sich arum vie a forts in roosl.

("He wanders around like a fart in a pickle barrel" -- and, no, I have no idea what it's talking about!)

Wysłane z mojego LG-P880 przy użyciu Tapatalka

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I don't have a huge problem with Scott Brooks (although I do wonder about his offense), but I would have felt better about it if they had interviewed multiple candidates. Still, it's better than the Lakers waiting almost 2 weeks to fire their coach and now guys like Thibbs/Brooks are already off the market.

I can understand that it was a difficult decision to fire Byron Scott, who's part of the Lakers' "family."

I doubt they were likely to turn the whole franchise over to Thibs, and Brooks is just a guy as far as I can tell (hope he's a lot more than that, actually!).

They have a pretty good list of candidates: Luke Walton, Jeff Van Gundy, Kevin Ollie & Ettore Messina. Are you sure you think that focusing on one guy, Scott Brooks, to the exclusion of *any* interview process whatever is "better than" their process?