2016 draft thread: Part 2

[RationalGaze]

Jackson and Baldwin aren't lottery picks so let's get that out of the way.
Deyonta is the prospect I'm sold on to get and even after the tests he's still there then that's a trade.
But, if the Bulls' front office truly hates Thibs then I don't see much exchanging going on between the two. I think Davis gets picked up before the 14th pick so no can do. Don't need to have Taj just 14, Felicio, and Kings pick.

I've seen a few of you guys are high on Davis, I'm not sure why tbh. I know you're in the market for a PF, but it seems like a massive reach at #5. If you want Davis I think trading down is the smart move.

As for Jackson/Baldwin, I'm not too high on Baldwin as a lottery pick either, but Jackson as been one of the favourites on our board for #14 for a while now.

More people here are wanting to go shooting guard than Davis that I've seen.
It's hard to get athletic shot blockers who posses lateral quickness that know how to use it and show they can shoot on the offensive side. When the review of Davis comes out it's going to talk about elite defensive potential with a lot of room to grow into a better overall player. Davis just needs more development and this is the best place for him.
Toronto will take him if they keep Lowry. Bucks can take him if they're going to run Giannis at point. Orlando will likely take him if Aaron is going to play SF. Phoenix will take him if they take Luwawu with the 4th so that will complete their back court. Hard to get guys with a 7'2" wingspan at small. I don't see it as a reach as much as it's going to be taking the guy that should be yours.
Combine usually ranks players more accordingly so Davis' current rank will likely rise up as will other people's rank. He played less than 20 minutes so there's definitely a lot of potential to be developed right along side Karl and the Wolves.

[GimmeDat]

Jackson and Baldwin aren't lottery picks so let's get that out of the way.
Deyonta is the prospect I'm sold on to get and even after the tests he's still there then that's a trade.
But, if the Bulls' front office truly hates Thibs then I don't see much exchanging going on between the two. I think Davis gets picked up before the 14th pick so no can do. Don't need to have Taj just 14, Felicio, and Kings pick.

I've seen a few of you guys are high on Davis, I'm not sure why tbh. I know you're in the market for a PF, but it seems like a massive reach at #5. If you want Davis I think trading down is the smart move.

As for Jackson/Baldwin, I'm not too high on Baldwin as a lottery pick either, but Jackson as been one of the favourites on our board for #14 for a while now.

More people here are wanting to go shooting guard than Davis that I've seen.
It's hard to get athletic shot blockers who posses lateral quickness that know how to use it and show they can shoot on the offensive side. When the review of Davis comes out it's going to talk about elite defensive potential with a lot of room to grow into a better overall player. Davis just needs more development and this is the best place for him.
Toronto will take him if they keep Lowry. Bucks can take him if they're going to run Giannis at point. Orlando will likely take him if Aaron is going to play SF. Phoenix will take him if they take Luwawu with the 4th so that will complete their back court. Hard to get guys with a 7'2" wingspan at small. I don't see it as a reach as much as it's going to be taking the guy that should be yours.
Combine usually ranks players more accordingly so Davis' current rank will likely rise up as will other people's rank. He played less than 20 minutes so there's definitely a lot of potential to be developed right along side Karl and the Wolves.

You guys think he can play C? His skill-set seems like it would be more effective there. He's got pretty good length and obvious shot blocking ability. Might be a little undersized overall though.

[RationalGaze]

I've seen a few of you guys are high on Davis, I'm not sure why tbh. I know you're in the market for a PF, but it seems like a massive reach at #5. If you want Davis I think trading down is the smart move.

As for Jackson/Baldwin, I'm not too high on Baldwin as a lottery pick either, but Jackson as been one of the favourites on our board for #14 for a while now.

More people here are wanting to go shooting guard than Davis that I've seen.
It's hard to get athletic shot blockers who posses lateral quickness that know how to use it and show they can shoot on the offensive side. When the review of Davis comes out it's going to talk about elite defensive potential with a lot of room to grow into a better overall player. Davis just needs more development and this is the best place for him.
Toronto will take him if they keep Lowry. Bucks can take him if they're going to run Giannis at point. Orlando will likely take him if Aaron is going to play SF. Phoenix will take him if they take Luwawu with the 4th so that will complete their back court. Hard to get guys with a 7'2" wingspan at small. I don't see it as a reach as much as it's going to be taking the guy that should be yours.
Combine usually ranks players more accordingly so Davis' current rank will likely rise up as will other people's rank. He played less than 20 minutes so there's definitely a lot of potential to be developed right along side Karl and the Wolves.

You guys think he can play C? His skill-set seems like it would be more effective there. He's got pretty good length and obvious shot blocking ability. Might be a little undersized overall though.

In time, but not right away. With KG and Thibodeau being the main tutors he'll be developed at the Power spot for his first 3 years. Him being a natural defender will get him spot plays given he isn't bothered by physical play. Setting a freshman record playing less than 20 minutes for blocks will lead to more transition plays from defense and I'd have to think Thibodeau will love that.

[Klomp]

One less PF in the draft pool.....Ivan Rabb staying in school.

[Takingbaconback]

Let's say Wolves get the 2nd pick and Celtics get the 3rd pick. I think it's pretty obvious Celtics would want Ingram over Bender to take a swing at an immediate franchise talent. Do the wolves pick Ingram or Bender after trading down to 3rd overall and 16th overall? Will the Wolves get significant more than that to let Celtics take Ingram?

Also what does everyone think about Thon Maker? Feel like he's being dismissed because he's raw and is coming out of HS, but is it realistic that he could be the best big man in this draft? I think I'd probably take him over Skal just because of how little Skal showed in college, but not sure where Maker will land.

[Takingbaconback]

Watching more Deyonta Davis, I think he's the big Wolves go with for defense assuming Bender is off the board. On the other hand, Sabonis has the same level of intrigue and talent on offense. Both are good rebounders and they can move their feet well for big men (Davis clearly faster than Sabonis, but Sabonis is very good at minimizing movement & maximizing distance).

Chriss is interesting but I don't think he's a good rebounder, which is an important point for this team.

[Klomp]

I still think we have to take one of the two guards if we are outside the Top 3 and they're there at the pick.

If I have to choose between the two of them, I take Murray.

[Worm Guts]

Yeah, I don't know if Davis is in the conversation at 5. There's a lot to like as a defensive role player, but he seems pretty limited offensively and Izzo didn't trust him enough give him big minutes. If we're taking a PF after Bender he might be my guy, but I'd still probably go Murray or Hield if they're available.

[No-Man]

It looks like Ford's board for Minny is;
1/ Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Bender
4. Ellenson
5. Murray
6. Hield

He seems way too high on Ellenson.

That is an awful board if I have seen one, easily

1. Ingram
2. Bender
3. Simmons
4. Chriss
5. Luwawu
6. Dunn
7. Brown
8. Sabonis

It is impossible to have lower than 8, so I wont even go there.

[steveshikadance]

It looks like Ford's board for Minny is;
1/ Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Bender
4. Ellenson
5. Murray
6. Hield

He seems way too high on Ellenson.

That is an awful board if I have seen one, easily

1. Ingram
2. Bender
3. Simmons
4. Chriss
5. Luwawu
6. Dunn
7. Brown
8. Sabonis

It is impossible to have lower than 8, so I wont even go there.

Biggest needs are a shooting G/F and/or rebounding PF

1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Bender
4. Murray
5. Brown
6. Hield
7. Luwawu
8. Dunn

I get how Simmons is dropping from in alot of ppls boards, but he is by far the most talented player with the highest ceiling in the draft, with a good coach in Thibs something in LSU that he didn't have he could flourish at the 4 giving the Wolves a young multi-talented frontcourt in Towns, Simmons and Wiggins.

Ingram is talented but does he start on the Wolves with Wiggins taking up his most natural position at the 3? And don't get me started on small ball with Wiggins at the 4, he is not strong enough to play starting minutes as a PF maybe in 3-4 years.

Bender is interesting, good ball skills but doesn't have the ceiling of Simmons, no way you pick Bender ahead of Simmons, we'd be laughed out the draft if we made this selection.

Chriss is a mid to high 1st rd pick, if we keep the pick and select between 1-8 again no way chriss gets selected this high.

Murray and Hield fill the need for shooting, Murray a better fit as a combo guard who can play the 1 in spurts.

Brown and Luwawu are wing prospects who can grow into good defenders and slashers.

Dunn is the best PG in the draft, can't shoot but can create is a little Rose esque in his speed and ability to drive to the hoop, Thibs would get the most out of his potential

[RationalGaze]

Let's say Wolves get the 2nd pick and Celtics get the 3rd pick. I think it's pretty obvious Celtics would want Ingram over Bender to take a swing at an immediate franchise talent. Do the wolves pick Ingram or Bender after trading down to 3rd overall and 16th overall? Will the Wolves get significant more than that to let Celtics take Ingram?

Also what does everyone think about Thon Maker? Feel like he's being dismissed because he's raw and is coming out of HS, but is it realistic that he could be the best big man in this draft? I think I'd probably take him over Skal just because of how little Skal showed in college, but not sure where Maker will land.

Bender all the way. He's the Wolves' number 1 in any scenario for the 2016 draft. With the 16th pick you could look at a guy named Malik Beasley who's an athletic shooting guard, defends well, and finished the season shooting 38% from 3. Wolves get their Power and backup shooting guard. Ingram should be going number 1 with either Philly or Lakers taking him.
Not interested in Thon for the 5th. He needs to showcase himself against the college competition during the combine. He's improved from his old footage, but not sure if that'll be enough to convince scouts to take him in the first. Teams don't like bad PR.

[minimus]

Would you trade top5 pick, Shabazz and Pek for Paul Millsap?

[Krapinsky]

Would you trade top5 pick, Shabazz and Pek for Paul Millsap?

No, because Milsap has 1 year on his deal and then you'll have to pay top dollar to keep him at age 32.

[RationalGaze]

Would you trade top5 pick, Shabazz and Pek for Paul Millsap?

Would like him if he were younger.

[Vindicater]

My board would go like this.

1). Ingram
2). Simmons
3). Bender
4). Murray
5). Hield
6). Brown
7). Ellenson
8). Labissiere

If we trade Rubio then Dunn shoots up to 4 on my list but drops rabidly without a Rubio trade.

Note these are not a list of who we should draft with our pick but who I think we should target in order (which could mean trading up/down)

[mkl2021]

My board

1. Simmons (and it's not close)
2. Ingram
3. Bender
4. Murray
5. Dunn
6. Davis
7. Sabonis
8. Hield

[GopherIt!]

After the top two picks, more and more I find myself not that crazy about this draft.

I like Murray & Sabonis but they are more like 6th man type picks.

[Raymond437]

1) Simmons
2) Bender
3) Ingram
4) Hield

[theGreatRC]

After the top two picks, more and more I find myself not that crazy about this draft.

I like Murray & Sabonis but they are more like 6th man type picks.

I don't like this draft at all tbh. Seems extremely weak, glad we have our core together, i'd trade down + package some big salary like Pek and go for a high energy G/F with whatever pick we get back.

I'd love to do #5+Pek for the PHX pick from WAS (#13), Teletovic & Chandler

[Worm Guts]

It's one thing to trade our pick, but I'm not going to dilute it's value by attaching it to Pekovic. Pekovic's contract may be an albatross, but we've got plenty of cap space regardless. There's no reason to degrade our assets moving him.