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Post#1 » by Notanoob » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:40 am

Brace yourselves, this will be a long one.

Obviously there's a lot of interest in getting us a new backup PG to replace the decrepit-but-still-somehow-here Steve Blake. So I've complied just about all of the relevant stuff publically available in one place to help you guys get a handle on who's available and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

The Vitals
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1. First let's get you guys caught up on who is where. A pistons fan on reddit has been aggregating a bunch of mock drafts to get an idea of every player's consensus position, so I’ve organized the players by this ranking. Here’s the document if you want to see where everyone ranks in aggregate.
2. The Pistons have the 18th and 49th overall picks in this draft. As you can see, pretty much the only PG outside of our reach this draft is Kris Dunn.
3. I highlighted in green wingspans 5 inches longer than the player’s height in shoes to show the distinction between guys who are long (Baldwin, English, Dunn) and guys who just happen to be tall (David Walker, Alex Caruso). Highlighted in red are guys with wingspans within 2 inches of their height in shoes, i.e. guys with T-Rex arms.

Overall Offense
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1. Josh Adams stands out as the biggest scorer in this class, followed by Cat Barber and Kay Felder. Adams also stands out for scoring on the second best efficiency in this class, behind only David Walker. Dejounte Murray has an incredibly poor TS%.
2. Kay Felder scores the highest AST%, while Marcus Paige sports the best TOV%. Caruso compounds his low scoring with the highest TOV%.
3. David Walker and Cat Barber both had extremely good Net ORtgs, but the real stand out it Ulis. It’s easy to get good net ratings when you’re the best player on your team by a mile, and the team offense falls apart without you. But Ulis was playing next to a ton of top notch players on a tournament team, and he still sported a massively better ORtg than the team average. Up until this point, only his A/TO has stood out in a good way, so this puts a number to what has people see in him.
4. It’s absurdly hard for a PG to have a worse ORtg than his team, but somehow Murray and Wallace managed to do just that. A point guard’s entire value almost exclusively comes from their offense, so these guys are really unlikely to be good NBA players.

Penetration
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1. UAFG stands for unassisted made field goals at the rim per40 pace adjusted, excluding put backs and transition buckets. UAFG gives you an idea about how capable the prospect was at penetrating and finishing against set defenses. PGs who struggle to get to the rim and score struggle in the NBA, like Trey Burke, Kendell Marshall, Tyler Ennis, and Tyus Jones, among others, but a higher number here doesn’t guarantee anything. Dejounte Murray, Wade Baldwin and Tyler Ulis all have low UAFG despite all being likely first round picks, while Jackson and Dunn are perfectly adequate here.
2. A layup is the best shot in basketball (besides a dunk), but the first step is being able to get there. %FGA at rim tells us how much of a guy’s offense comes at the rim. Generally you want over 30% of a guard’s shots to be at the rim; lower than 25% and you have to worry. Isaiah Taylor and Gary Payton get to the rim at exceptional rates for PGs. Alex Caruso, Wade Baldwin, Dejounte Murray, and Tim Quarterman all take a solid% of their shots at the rim but don’t have high UAFG. A.J. English, Josh Adams, Yogi Ferrell and Melo Trimble have god UAFG despite low %FGA at rim.
3. The next step is to actually make those layups, and rimFG% measures how well a guy can finish. Over 65% is quite good, while below 55%, it becomes a concern that he’ll struggle worse against NBA centers. Trimble’s and Adam’s low %FGA at rim despite good UAFG is explained here, as both of them rate as good finishers. In contrast, Quarterman and Caruso finish well but still have low UAFG – this is because they are just low scoring guys. Isaiah Taylor is a poor finisher, so his high UAFG is a result of sheer volume. Wade Baldwin’s low UAFG is explained in part by his poor finishing. VanVleet and Paige are simply embarrassingly poor finishers.
4. Drawing free throws is a fantastic skill which translates very well the NBA and can really save guys who struggle in other areas of scoring. Psycho T basically makes a living drawing fouls. James Harden got .94FTA/2PA in college and it’s a critical skill to his scoring efficiency. Small-school terrors A.J. English and Josh Adams feature unholy free throw rates above 1, better than Harden. David Walker, Tim Quarterman and Wade Baldwin make up for their poor UAFGs with excellent foul-drawing. Caruso and Murray fail to make up for their poor UAFGs by posting terrible FT rates, and Gary Paton mystifies with his inability to get to the line despite his aggressiveness attacking the basket, as does Demetrius Jackson.

Jump Shooting
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1. To get a more accurate picture of a prospect’s shooting ability, you should look at FT%, the % of 3s that are assisted, and career numbers from 3 and the line.
2. Gary Payton, DeJounte Murray and Tyrone Wallace all struggle from 3 and the line and thus will need to work to improve their jumpers. Isaiah Taylor is a total non-shooter but at least nails his free throws.
3. Kris Dunn, Alex Caruso and Tim Quarterman all had decent 3P%s this year, but none of them are particularly good from 3. Caruso was assisted on literally every made 3 and still shot mediocrely. Quarterman is poor from the free throw line and historically not a good shooter. Dunn struggles from the line and was assisted on nearly ever made 3.
4. Adams, Barber and Felder are all better 3 point shooters than their %s show because they both had to make the majority of their own looks.
5. Demetrius Jackson and Melo Trimble shot poorly from 3 despite being historically good shooters. Jackson took over as lead ballhandler for the departed Jerian Grant, and was forced to take a lot of 3s off the dribble instead of being spoon-fed looks, which explains his decline, while Trimble just suffered a massive inexplicable slump.
6. Overall, Ferrell and Walker should be considered absolute snipers, while Baldwin, VanVleet, Adams, English, Barber, Paige, Felder and Ulis should all be considered very able shooters.

Passing
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1. Assists aren’t that critical here. The context is more important. David Walker, Marcus Paige and Dejounte Murray didn’t produce a lot of assists, but this was because they split ball handling duties with their teammates. However, Cat Barber and Josh Adams didn’t.
2. A/TO ratio helps us start to sort the floor generals from the combo-guards. The cut-off is roughly around 2 – above it you get the floor generals, below it you have the combo-guards. Only Murray and Josh Adams have worryingly low A/TOs. Tyler Ulis has his first standout statistic with a magnificent 3.57A/TO.
3. Kris Dunn has always had an issue with turning the ball over. All of the prospects with high turnover rates flagged here slide more to the combo-guard side than floor general, except Caruso.
4. Assist%/Usage rate is just another way to measure playmaking and see who’s a score-first vs. pass first guard. It’s no surprise that super-low usage guys like VanVleet and Caruso are at the top here, but Kay Felder stands out as a playmaker here despite carrying an enormous scoring burden for his team. Kris Dunn as well.
5. Demetrius Jackson’s AST/USG comes in lower than I expected. Given his relatively low assist number I feel this show’s that he’s a bit more of a score-first combo guard, which makes sense since he was playing off ball last season.
6. Car Barber comes in last here. Despite being a PG nominally he was certainly a black hole on offense given that he always had the ball in his hand.
7. Marcus Paige has a pair of numbers in the red, but don’t be fooled, he is very capable as a passer. That low assist rate is a function of his role on the team this season.

Defense
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1. Steal rates are one of the better regular stat indicators of future NBA success. Over 2 is the ideal here for good guards, but over 1.5 is basically the minimum. Mike Conley, Chris Paul, Steph Curry, Kyle Lowry, Rajon Rondo and Marcus Smart all had around 3 steals per40 pace adjusted at least once in college for instance, while Russell Westbrook, Jeff Teague, Damian Lillard, Deron Williams, Patrick Beverley, Kyrie Irving, and Jrue Holiday broke 2 steals. Only John Wall, Derrick Rose and Isaiah Thomas failed to break 2 steals per40 once in college and made the all-star game recently. Naturally though, a good steal rate doesn’t ensure NBA success, and we’re not looking for a future all-star, we’re looking for a good backup. Kris Dunn, Gary Payton and Alex Caruso stand out here, while Fred VanVleet, Kay Felder and DeJounte Murray rate well. Everyone in the red here will not cut it in the end.
2. The big athletic guards stand out as rebounders here: Dunn, Payton, and Wallace. Tyler Ulis and Marcus Paige predicable struggled to get boards, being short and on teams with a lot of size and talent around them. The oddball here is Josh Adams, the mighty mite who got over 5 defensive rebounds per 40 despite measuring at just 6’2”.
3. Backing up the eye test, both Gary Payton and Kris Dunn have freakishly good Net DRtgs for guards. Their Net DRtgs are similar to KCPs, Marcus’ Smarts, Paul George’s and other elite perimeter defenders.
4. Ulis, Ferrell, Paige, Barber, Trimble, Jackson and Taylor all rate as quite poor defenders. Ulis somehow won SEC DPOY despite this. Otherwise, no real surprises, since all of these guys are fairly small. Josh Adams again bucks the trend of tiny guards however, with a DRtg nearly 2 points better than his team’s.
5. Some consideration should be given to the how good the team’s defense is, and how little impact guards usually have here. Jackson and Barber rate poorly despite being on awful defensive teams. Alex Caruso and VanVleet rate well despite being on excellent team defenses.
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Post#2 » by Notanoob » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:44 am

Final Verdicts

Don’t even bother tier
Dejounte Murray – He’s a poor shooter, finisher, foul drawer, passer, and is turnover prone. His defense is solid but nothing special. Don’t buy the hype at all, outside of his length and youth he has miles to go before he’s an NBA player.

Marcus Paige – His numbers look a lot worse since he handled the ball a lot less as a senior to make room for other guys and basically was turned into a spot up shooter, but he never was a good penetrator or defender. He can shoot and won’t turn the ball over, but he doesn’t have the speed to hack it in the NBA.

Tim Quarterman – He didn’t score a lot, did so on poor efficiency, and didn’t even impress passing the ball. That last one has something to do with letting Ben Simmons handle the ball all the time, but there is just nothing remarkable about his offense, and he really didn’t bring it on defense either.

Isaiah Taylor – He has no big time skill other than getting to the rim, but he fails to capitalize due to his poor finishing. He can’t shoot at all but at least is smart enough to not bother with many jumpers. He’s going to get smoked on defense. His passing is good and he avoids turnovers, but that doesn’t even begin to make up for his lack of a scoring game or defense.

Tyrone Wallace – There is no hope in the NBA for a PG who is a net negative on offense. He shoots far too often for a guy who scores as inefficiently as he does, and really doesn’t pass well. No jumper, can’t get to the line.

Alex Caruso – He can pass the ball nicely and defends really well for a guy with short arms for his height, fantastic steal rate. But his offensive game is quite non-threatening. He only hit a respectable % from three in his senior season with every make being assisted. He scores on such incredibly low volume that you can’t take his efficiency seriously. Worse yet, he’s turnover prone, seriously hurting his value as a passer to the point where I don’t think that he’s worth an NBA look.

Worth a shot tier
Demetrius Jackson – As a guy who played off ball for two seasons, he’s clearly still learning to play PG on offense. He can be hesitant, he doesn’t produce a lot of assists, and his jumper fell off as he was forced to shoot off the dribble a ton. But you should expect him to improve a bit in the NBA, especially when he isn’t forced to be the guy on offense. His defense looks like it will be horrendous, but with more energy to spare he may not be that bad. He does have great speed and did get a decent steal rate, so with consistent effort he’ll be better. Still, he doesn’t have real standout ability on offense. Also worth noting is that he can’t get to the line.

Tyler Ulis – I’m really hesitant with Ulis since he doesn’t have a ton of standout features. Solid shooter, steal rate, awful penetrator, terrible NetDRtg. But his huge NetORtg and A/TO put numbers to the eye test and gives you an idea of what people see in him. I’m not a fan of a tiny PG who hasn’t proved himself as a penetrator, but I’d be terribly wrong to dismiss him for that.

Melo Trimble – He had a really down year, but you can still see in the numbers some good. He’s a great finisher and gets to the free throw line at will. He can be a very creative passer. His jump show abandon him the second half of the season, but he’s always been a good shooter and is great from the line, so I expect his shot to bounce back. Certainly he’s mistake prone and can’t play great defense, but these are flaws you can live with in a backup PG.

Anthony “Cat” Barber – He’s a scoring machine who did it all by himself, which makes his decent efficiency much more impressive. But he’s a total blackhole on offense, a gunner, a chucker. And he rates as the absolute worst defender in this group, with an incredibly poor steal rate. His scoring talent is worth a shot, even if he’ll need to develop some still.

Kay Felder – First things first, he’s from Detroit and went to Oakland, got to love the local products. He has a pretty complete scoring game and like Barber his efficiency was really impressive given how much of his scoring he had to create for himself. Unlike Barber though, Felder has proven himself to be a very good passer already, producing more assists than anyone else in this crop of PGs. He also has a pretty good steal rate. Certainly, he’s not going to be a great defender either, and it is worth worrying about him translating from Oakland to the NBA, but I think that he can be your instant offense off the bench.

Yogi Ferrell – He’s a sniper from deep who can also score inside alright. His passing didn’t blow me away but his offensive impact is there. He’ll be a sieve on defense, but we do need shooting. I doubt that he makes it in the NBA but I’m willing to give him a shot.

Fred VanVleet – A lot of his underlying numbers look good, but watching him play I doubt he’s got it. Certainly he can shoot and pass. But he was horrible at finishing, scored on brutal efficiency on kind of low volume, and he’s just small and not a freak athlete like Jackson. I really don’t think he’s as good on defense as his steal rate and NetDRtg say he is.

A.J. English – He’s a bit TO prone, sure, and he’s from a small school. But he’s a scoring machine. He can really shoot the deep ball well, and while he isn’t a particularly good penetrator, he does get to the line at an abnormally good rate. Defensively, his length, steal rate and NetDRtg point to a guy who won’t be getting torched night-in and night-out.

David Walker – He’s probably the best shooter in this class, and boy do we need shooting. Plus he’s quite tall and can play on or off ball. He’s even pretty athletic. Problem is that he’s a bit passive and I want a PG who has proven he can get to the rim. Plus, he played zone defense at his small school so he’ll need to learn to play proper defense. I consider him to be a long shot.

Please draft tier
Kris Dunn – basically no way we get him, but he has great defense and is a good playmaker despite his turnover issues. His jump shot is on its way as well. He’s a guy who could threaten to take minutes from Reggie in time. No real chance that we can draft him though.

Wade Baldwin – His terrible coach suppressed his numbers by running the offense through Damien Jones in the post, but Baldwin has loads of potential. He’s an excellent shooter, he’s great at getting to the rim and the line, and he’s a willing and capable passer. His finishing should improve in the less crowded NBA. He is very young at just 20 and has exceptional length. Defensively I don’t expect him to blow you away but he should be able to compete well on that end. I like his upside quite a bit.

Gary Payton – This guy is a freak on defense, a total freak. His dad coached him up well. I’d love to bring another lock-down defender into town, especially after watching Kyrie rip us up. Plus he could help clean up the glass when we go small, unlike most PGs. Offensively he has two holes in his game – a bad jumper and a total inability to get to the line, but his penetration is fantastic, and his passing is good enough for him to run the offense for us. Jump shooting is fixable too, so he has room to grow. But seriously guys, defense- we need it.

Josh Adams – He’s absurdly underrated. He’s a fantastic finisher despite his size. He gets to the line at a better rate than anyone in else. He’s turned himself into a very good three point shooter. He does all of this on offense with no help, only a very tiny percentage of his makes are assisted. He’s a complete scoring package and has proven it by doing so on enormous volume, better than anyone other PG by a mile. And that isn’t all. Despite his stature and poor length, he got more defensive rebounds and the same amount of blocks as the much taller and longer Kris Dunn, and his NetDRtg has him as a positive defender despite having to expend such a huge amount of energy making his own shots on the other end. Yes, he struggles as a passer for a PG, but given everything else this guy does, who cares? Pick him up undrafted and make everyone else feel stupid as he scores at will on them.
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Post#3 » by The Moose » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:03 am

This is a great post, excellent anylsis and stat gathering.
With that being said, I agree with your assessment of the "please draft" players. Obviously it's going to be basically impossible to get Kris Dunn, but if we draft PG, I'm looking at Wade Balwdin as the choice.

I was unaware of Gary Payton II stats but he looks like he could be another good option
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Post#4 » by Pharaoh » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:09 am

I'd like to thank you and whomever assisted you in putting all this together.

A lot to digest...any chance you can do the bigs as well?
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Post#5 » by pistontr » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:18 am

back up point guard? how about a starting one.
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Post#6 » by The Moose » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:40 am

All things considered, I'm not sure whether I would rather draft a back up PG or a back up Big.

I think it's probably more crucial to get a veteran PG than a veteran PF/C, and there is plenty of veteran pg's in FA
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Post#7 » by ElectricMayhem » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:17 am

pistontr wrote:back up point guard? how about a starting one.


We have Reggie Jackson. He played at a borderline all-star level this year, was the most valuable player on our team during the regular season and is 2nd in assists/game during the playoffs. Not sure what more you expected. Care to elaborate?

Anyway, to the OP, wonderful collection of data. I'd love Felder in the 2nd, but that's just a gut reaction. I see him as the rare small PG who can succeed in the NBA. My gut certainly can't compare with your array of data, though. I'd expect a 2nd generation guy like Payton to be heady and be able to handle himself well.
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Post#8 » by dVs33 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:37 am

That's a helluva post, good job.
I'll have to do some research of my own, but Payton sounds like a potentially great back up. I'd love a back up pg who is a defensive monster because I'm hoping svg can't strengthen the Bench scoring in other ways this offseason. Sj and another denfensive guard would be nice off the bench
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Post#9 » by Notanoob » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:56 pm

Pharaoh wrote:I'd like to thank you and whomever assisted you in putting all this together.

A lot to digest...any chance you can do the bigs as well?

Yeah, I'm going to do one on PFs next. It should be a bit easier, and a bit shorter. Fewer prospects, fewer things you need to look into.
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Post#10 » by whitehops » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:18 pm

one of the reasons i always start scouting with tape and look at stats/measurables after to see if i need to re-check any prospects is because you can actually see how a player moves and what their abilities are. stats need a lot of context and that context is tape.

one player that stood out to me when i was stat-surfing was marcus evans. in the past 16 years there have been 9 players that averaged 20 PPG on 45+% shooting from the field as freshman. 5 of them are guards, and 3 of them are point guards (stephen curry, jamal murray and marcus evans). the two shooting guards are kevin martin and rodney stuckey and the four forwards are carmelo anthony, michael beasley, kevin durant and jason conley. i'm not really counting conley in this, since he started his "freshman" year two years after high school so he was the age of a junior.

so essentially all of these prospects are nba players, most of them highly ranked prospects (top 10 picks) and all of them went in the first round. marcus evans should be on some sort of radar, right? my two go-to sources are nbadraft.net and DX and neither have a profile on him.

so i go to the tape (there isn't much) and i see that he plays almost like a streetball player, a lot of his baskets are in transition, isn't a great shooter, is a great athlete, etc. he needs a lot of time to understand how to play the game and especially run the offense as a PG.




sorry for that rambling, i'm gonna start to go through all the prospects starting now but from what i've seen i like Tyler Ulis. he's tiny so i'm not sure SVG likes that but he is a good distributor, good shooter and can be good off the bench as a backup PG to run the offense. my comp for him is isaiah thomas, though thomas is a little more athletic and a better scorer, ulis is a better playmaker.
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Post#11 » by MotownMadness » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:40 pm

Honestly I wouldn't mind Valentine running the second unit over most of these guys.
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Post#12 » by whitehops » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:48 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Honestly I wouldn't mind Valentine running the second unit over most of these guys.


my biggest worry with valentine is his defense. SVG and the boys have to see how well he responds to their coaching in that aspect as well, otherwise he's gonna be glued to the bench and all of us are going to be wondering "why isn't he playing valentine!? how could he be so stupid!?".

i think valentine's bad defense could make him be a permanent bench player until he improves in that area.
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Post#13 » by StunnaStan » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:59 pm

Yeah valentine playing point for detroit aint happening. I like his game but we don't compliment a player like denzels strengths.

While i feel we should take a pf, if we were to take a pg this draft, my top 2 candidates are marcus paige because you'll never question this guys heart, he can shoot and dribble, clutch, and hes a junior or senior which means hes diciplined. My 2nd candidate is Demetrius Jackson for notre dame. He wouldn't be getting bodied by delly left and right like blake and he has a toughness about him you can't teach or coach.

The one player on the list i feel would be the best pg off the bunch if he reached his potential is cat barber from nc state. If youve seen him play, you know hes the reincarnation of allen iverson. His fast tempo could be a nice way to offset cool calm collective Reggie.
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Post#14 » by Laimbeer » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:11 pm

I'll go homer and hope we take a good look at Felder as a free agent. I wouldn't be upset if we took him in the second.
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Post#15 » by Notanoob » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:12 pm

StunnaStan wrote:While i feel we should take a pf, if we were to take a pg this draft, my top 2 candidates are marcus paige because you'll never question this guys heart, he can shoot and dribble, clutch, and hes a junior or senior which means hes diciplined. My 2nd candidate is Demetrius Jackson for notre dame. He wouldn't be getting bodied by delly left and right like blake and he has a toughness about him you can't teach or coach.

The one player on the list i feel would be the best pg off the bunch if he reached his potential is cat barber from nc state. If youve seen him play, you know hes the reincarnation of allen iverson. His fast tempo could be a nice way to offset cool calm collective Reggie.

I went over all these guys in some detail, but on the AI comparison, I think it's worth pointing out that Iverson posted an absolutely freakish 4.1 steals per40 his sophomore year (Rajon Rondo is the only other guy I know who did that) while Cat got just .7. Also Iverson scored more and more efficiently - 30.5pts on 57.8TS% vs. 24.3 on 55.3TS%. They're both big gunners but AI was way ahead of Cat.
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Post#16 » by Lionlifer » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:50 pm

Laimbeer wrote:I'll go homer and hope we take a good look at Felder as a free agent. I wouldn't be upset if we took him in the second.


I watched Felder in the Vegas 16 Championship, and what drove me crazy was watching him live, he ALWAYS initiated a drive with a super hard first bounce. It was noticeable just by listening, and I think Old Dominion or whomever OU was playing would key in on that and the defense would start to collapse before he even got to the lane.

Aside from that, I love his game as a spark plug off the bench.
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Post#17 » by Montanabadboy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:26 pm

:clap: :clap: :clap: :bowdown: For starters great post, I know what kind of time and effort it takes to do that. And bravo, that was great. I'd been sleeping on Payton Jr. but after reading your write up on him, I'm suddenly very intrigued. Where we are picking I always hope for one exceptional NBA skill, since we're not likely to get a stud here, I'd be thrilled to get a defensive beast here. Jackson, Ulis, and Tremble were the guys I was keeping an eye on, once again great stuff.
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Post#18 » by theBigLip » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:48 pm

Great post! Makes me get excited for the draft, even without our normal lottery pick.
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Post#19 » by vic » Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:34 pm

great writup. I'd still take Valentine over any of these guys. He's a natural pg that shoots +40% from 3.

However if they go PF in round 1, I'd take GP in round 2
You need 2-way wings, 2-way shooting bigs, and you can't allow low iq players on the court. Assist/turnover ratio is crucial. Shooting point guards are icing on the cake IF they are plus defenders.
Weaver & Casey, govern yourselves accordingly!
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Re: One-stop shop on PGs in this draft 

Post#20 » by tmorgan » Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:10 pm

Bonus for drafting GPII -- we get his dad around to help out and get on Reggie's ass about playing real defense.

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