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Post#1961 » by DirtyDez » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:22 pm

letsgosuns wrote:The league is totally unbalanced right now. The Warriors and Spurs are so far superior to every other team it is not fair. The Cavaliers and Thunder are a distant third and fourth respectively. Every other team in the league is in the same boat regardless of if they are a playoff or lottery team. It is like they are all fighting for a chance to lose to one of the top teams. It is sad. Absolutely no parity whatsoever.


But but but... The major market teams are trash and those small markets are striving. So there's that. :lol:
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Post#1962 » by bwgood77 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:26 pm

Perfect

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CAGrizBeat/status/724664132725792768[/tweet]

Edit...at first when I read this (and posted it) I was thinking it was the other way around...that Pau told Marc he should go to SA.
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Post#1963 » by saintEscaton » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:34 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Perfect

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CAGrizBeat/status/724664132725792768[/tweet]

Edit...at first when I read this (and posted it) I was thinking it was the other way around...that Pau told Marc he should go to SA.


Rumor mills says Pau will home to Memphis to reunite with his lil bro. Then after he retires Marc takes the mantle for Timmy D in San Antonio and the rest of the West collectively ragequits
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Post#1964 » by DirtyDez » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:59 pm

I'm hoping the Lakers go with a retread instead of Ollie or Messina.
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Post#1965 » by bwgood77 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:31 pm

Wow, Curry out for at least two weeks. I didn't think that Clips series would be a cakewalk to begin with.
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Post#1966 » by LukasBMW » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:26 am

bwgood77 wrote:Wow, Curry out for at least two weeks. I didn't think that Clips series would be a cakewalk to begin with.


I think it was beyond stupid for the Warriors to play Curry in game 4. His ankle wasn't 100% and worst case scenario, you are tied 2-2 and coming back to your home floor.

Poor planing by GSW. Should have rested Curry and his ankle until game 5.

Even if Houston has evened the series at 2-2, dragging out the series would have just given Curry more time to recover.

GSW is stupid.
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Post#1967 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:36 am

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bwgood77 wrote:Wow, Curry out for at least two weeks. I didn't think that Clips series would be a cakewalk to begin with.


I think it was beyond stupid for the Warriors to play Curry in game 4. His ankle wasn't 100% and worst case scenario, you are tied 2-2 and coming back to your home floor.

Poor planing by GSW. Should have rested Curry and his ankle until game 5.

Even if Houston has evened the series at 2-2, dragging out the series would have just given Curry more time to recover.

GSW is stupid.


Well it would have helped, since this wouldn't have happened
However, he made it through only the first half of the game before sliding awkwardly on a wet spot on the court while attempting to guard Houston's Trevor Ariza shortly before halftime. Curry grabbed the knee and limped off to the locker room.
but I don't know if his ankle injury had anything to do with that whatsoever.

I just hate when SA's road gets easier due to injuries. It seriously has happened in many of their championship years. Webber breaks his leg in 2003 (that Kings team was ready after the refs handed the Lakers the WCF the year before), Joe Johnson being out in 2005, bloody nose/suspensions, etc in 2007. Then of course when OKC had the #1 seed in 2013, Westbrook goes down in round 1 so SA gets to face a weak Memphis team in the WCF....but I was giddy when they blew the finals.

They even benefited two years ago when they won it all by having Ibaka out for half of the WCF that went 7 games. Now they could end up facing the Clips because Curry is out, or Curry might not be fully healthy.

Perhaps they could beat GS if they were both at full strength but time and time again their road seems to get easier due to injuries to the best players on the best teams in the west that year. Also they already got a Memphis team this year in the first round with two stars out.
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Post#1968 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:41 am

I was expecting/hoping they would rest him until the start of the next series unless they came home 2-2.
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Post#1969 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:45 am

Lillard and McCollum have 1 FG between them and they still lead the Clippers near half time.
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Post#1970 » by DirtyDez » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:51 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Lillard and McCollum have 1 FG between them and they still lead the Clippers near half time.


Jordan air balls b2b free throws. Doc had to take him out. Guy is mentally broken at the line.
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Post#1971 » by Qwigglez » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:58 am

bwgood77 wrote:Perfect

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CAGrizBeat/status/724664132725792768[/tweet]

Edit...at first when I read this (and posted it) I was thinking it was the other way around...that Pau told Marc he should go to SA.



Doesn't bother me. Pau is old, will probably play another two to maybe three years. Rather have Pau go to SA than Horford somehow going there.
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Post#1972 » by GMATCallahan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:05 am

bwgood77 wrote:Wow, Curry out for at least two weeks. I didn't think that Clips series would be a cakewalk to begin with.


Golden State needs to hope that Portland pushes the Clippers to seven games. If so, Curry could probably be ready by Game Four of the next series, with the Warriors perhaps having won a game without him.

Incidentally, this injury is the same one (at least in terms of the basic diagnosis) that Kevin Johnson suffered just after the final buzzer of Phoenix's third-to-last regular season game in 1993, when he and Charles Barkley embraced after Barkley had hit a miraculous shot to defeat Portland. They banged knees and Johnson sprained his left MCL, an injury that was supposed to sideline him for about two weeks, meaning that he was supposed to miss most, if not all, of the Suns' First Round series against the 39-win, eighth-seeded Lakers. Despite the Lakers' lowly status and the fact that Phoenix had gone 5-0 against them in the regular season, they were capable of posing some challenges to the Suns due to their enormous—yet mobile—front line, whereas Phoenix featured the shortest front line of any NBA playoff team. K.J.'s injury occurred on the night of Thursday, April 22, 1993, while the games against the Lakers were respectively scheduled for Friday, April 30, Sunday, May 2, Tuesday, May 4, and, if necessary, Thursday, May 6, and Sunday, May 9.

Without K.J. for the final two (meaningless) regular season games, the Suns first defeated a good San Antonio club by two points at home even though Barkley saw himself ejected in the second quarter.

http://www.databasebasketball.com/teams/boxscore.htm?yr=1992&b=19930424&tm=PHO

Then, in the last regular season game, at Denver, the Suns lost at the buzzer when Chris Jackson (soon to become Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf) hit one of his Stephen Curry-before-Stephen Curry threes.

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/sunscom-debates-worst-lose-ahead-suns-moments

http://www.databasebasketball.com/teams/boxscore.htm?yr=1992&b=19930425&tm=DEN

Thus Phoenix finished at 62-20, but no one seemed to anticipate difficulty with the Lakers in the best-of-five First Round.

In Game One, however, the Lakers shocked the Suns down the stretch to steal Game One in Phoenix. Their leading scorer during the regular season, Sedale Threatt, constituted one of the toughest covers in the NBA at point guard, and he exploded for 35 points and 7 assists, shooting 17-24 from the field.

With Game Two thus seemingly a must-win game (for a loss would have forced the Suns to go on the road facing elimination), Kevin Johnson decided to return on Sunday afternoon, May 2, less than ten days after suffering the injury.

Stunned Suns Add a Starter Against Lakers : NBA playoffs: Kevin Johnson returns today to put some heat on Threatt.

May 02, 1993|HELENE ELLIOTT | TIMES STAFF WRITER


Johnson sat out the first game to give his sprained left knee time to heal. His replacement, Negele Knight, scored 10 points as Threatt and Byron Scott outscored their backcourt counterparts, 57-19.

As much as the Suns missed Johnson's ballhandling, they missed his defensive skills even more. Coach Paul Westphal lamented his team's inability to hold on after Tom Chambers' baseline jump shot with 2:39 to play put Phoenix ahead, 103-98, and said Johnson should help defensively.

"KJ's our best guy to play Sedale and it would be nice to have him," Westphal said. "If he's (a totally fit) KJ, he can help us a great deal in a lot of ways.

"I think their defense was excellent, but I don't think that was why they won the game. I think they won the game because our defense wasn't excellent." ...


http://articles.latimes.com/1993-05-02/sports/sp-30312_1_kevin-johnson


Despite wearing a mechanical knee brace, K.J. produced 14 points on 6-10 field goal shooting and 16 assists, and his defense—perhaps the best in the NBA among point guards that season—indeed seemed to make a difference, as Threatt slumped to 9 points on 4-14 field goal shooting. But K.J. could not push the ball hard, and the Suns again became stuck in a slowdown game which favored the taller Lakers. Phoenix lost 86-81, meaning that the Suns would need to win three straight games facing elimination, the first two in Los Angeles.

Of course, the Suns ended up doing just that. K.J., who would continue to wear the knee brace until the Western Conference Finals, averaged 17.8 points, 10.0 assists, and 1.5 steals for the series, shooting .528 from the field and posting a .579 True Shooting Percentage. Threatt, who had averaged 15.1 points on .508 field goal shooting during the regular season (one of three starting point guards that year to shoot at least .500 from the field, the others being Kenny Smith and Avery Johnson, with K.J. just missing at .499), averaged 13.8 points on .338 field goal shooting over the final four games (with K.J. playing), scoring fewer points than he attempted field goals in each contest. Paul Westphal's famous "We're gonna win the series" prediction after Game Two, he later said, came about only because he knew that K.J.'s knee was improving.

Again, no two injury situations are identical, but how long Curry's recovery takes, whether he comes back early if his team ends up in a hole, whether he is wearing any kind of special protection on his knee, and how well he performs will be intriguing to see.

If Kevin Johnson had not returned early from his sprained MCL, the 1993 Suns almost certainly would have been swept in the First Round by a 39-win eighth seed.
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Post#1973 » by GMATCallahan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:10 am

Jonas Jerebko: Shades of Tom Chambers out here! Are you kidding me?

-Reggie Miller, fourth quarter of Game Four, Atlanta at Boston


... a bit of a stretch, but hearing a Tom Chambers reference was nice.
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Post#1974 » by sunskerr » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:25 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I just hate when SA's road gets easier due to injuries. It seriously has happened in many of their championship years. Webber breaks his leg in 2003 (that Kings team was ready after the refs handed the Lakers the WCF the year before), Joe Johnson being out in 2005, bloody nose/suspensions, etc in 2007. Then of course when OKC had the #1 seed in 2013, Westbrook goes down in round 1 so SA gets to face a weak Memphis team in the WCF....but I was giddy when they blew the finals.

They even benefited two years ago when they won it all by having Ibaka out for half of the WCF that went 7 games. Now they could end up facing the Clips because Curry is out, or Curry might not be fully healthy.

Perhaps they could beat GS if they were both at full strength but time and time again their road seems to get easier due to injuries to the best players on the best teams in the west that year. Also they already got a Memphis team this year in the first round with two stars out.


There is almost nothing that makes my blood boil when it comes to basketball... except when people white wash 2007 like the Spurs were vastly superior. They were 3 games behind us in the standings and never threatened to overtake us at all in the season. Literally everything had to go their way for them to beat us. Like you said, bloody nose and suspensions...but perhaps the worst thing is the selfish referee Tommy Nunez making game three 5 vs 8.

But that's how people's minds work. They attempt to make everything simpler and into black and white to make up for their own lack of ability to be insightful. And if there's one thing I've learned while here at realGM, just because somebody joins a basketball forum doesn't mean they're able to objectively or critically analyze the game.
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Post#1975 » by MathiasPW » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:42 pm

And now Paul is out. Gg SA
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Post#1976 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:45 pm

sunskerr wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I just hate when SA's road gets easier due to injuries. It seriously has happened in many of their championship years. Webber breaks his leg in 2003 (that Kings team was ready after the refs handed the Lakers the WCF the year before), Joe Johnson being out in 2005, bloody nose/suspensions, etc in 2007. Then of course when OKC had the #1 seed in 2013, Westbrook goes down in round 1 so SA gets to face a weak Memphis team in the WCF....but I was giddy when they blew the finals.

They even benefited two years ago when they won it all by having Ibaka out for half of the WCF that went 7 games. Now they could end up facing the Clips because Curry is out, or Curry might not be fully healthy.

Perhaps they could beat GS if they were both at full strength but time and time again their road seems to get easier due to injuries to the best players on the best teams in the west that year. Also they already got a Memphis team this year in the first round with two stars out.


There is almost nothing that makes my blood boil when it comes to basketball... except when people white wash 2007 like the Spurs were vastly superior. They were 3 games behind us in the standings and never threatened to overtake us at all in the season. Literally everything had to go their way for them to beat us. Like you said, bloody nose and suspensions...but perhaps the worst thing is the selfish referee Tommy Nunez making game three 5 vs 8.

But that's how people's minds work. They attempt to make everything simpler and into black and white to make up for their own lack of ability to be insightful. And if there's one thing I've learned while here at realGM, just because somebody joins a basketball forum doesn't mean they're able to objectively or critically analyze the game.


Yeah, the officiating in that one game upsets me as much as the others (and sure as did D'Antoni) but to many non Suns fans (who either were not watching closely, or who get tired of people complaining about refs) that seems subjective. But there is no mistake our best player missed the end of a close game while two of our other best ones missed another one.
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Post#1977 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:46 pm

Isn't it amazing how often championships seem to be gifted to San Antonio--by injury, suspension or whatever.
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Post#1978 » by gaspar » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:58 pm

LeBron is our only hope :-?
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Post#1979 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:15 pm

Maybe Lue will figure out how to beat Spurs. who knows? he already has Irwing hitting huge clutch shots at the end of games.
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Post#1980 » by GMATCallahan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:05 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Isn't it amazing how often championships seem to be gifted to San Antonio--by injury, suspension or whatever.


In fairness, Tony Parker has battled hamstring injuries in each of the previous three postseasons—otherwise, for all that we know, the Spurs might have won the last three championships. Certainly, a hamstring pull may have cost San Antonio in 2013. Parker suffered a Grade Two hamstring strain in Game Three of the NBA Finals versus Miami, and by Game Six, he clearly seemed to have been affected. In Games Six and Seven in Miami, both of which the Spurs lost narrowly, Parker—a .522 field goal shooter during that year's regular season and a .479 shooter to that point in the 2013 playoffs—shot a combined 9-35 (.257) from the field.

And when the Spurs lost to the eighth-seeded Grizzlies in the 2011 First Round, Manu Ginobili missed the opener with a sprained elbow (in his non-shooting arm) that he later said was a small humerus fracture.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/05/22/did-manu-play-in-the-playoffs-with-a-broken-arm/

(Ginobili did play in the final five games of the series, and he played very well, leading the Spurs in scoring average.)

Then you had the 2009 First Round, where Ginobili did not play at all due to a broken ankle, and San Antonio lost to Dallas four games to one.

In the 2000 First Round versus Phoenix, Tim Duncan never played due to torn knee cartilage as the Suns dethroned the Spurs. Granted, the Suns were dealing with significant injuries of their own, with veterans Tom Gugliotta and Rex Chapman out for the year and Jason Kidd missing the first three games (out of what proved to be a four-game series) with a broken ankle. Phoenix had brought Kevin Johnson out of retirement to help replace Kidd, but K.J. was battling through a strained groin that, the night before the playoff opener, had him contemplating how to tell head coach Scott Skiles that he should wait until Game Two in order to give the injury a better chance to improve. Ultimately, K.J. never made the phone call and told Skiles the next morning, "I'll give you what I got, but I have no idea what that is." Chapman later said that K.J. looked like he was "playing in slow motion out there," but the point guard controlled the floor like a chess master and led the Suns to victory off the bench. Yet regardless of who was on the court for Phoenix, the Spurs probably would have won with a healthy Duncan.

And in 2001, the Spurs posted the best record in basketball, only to lose one of their three best players, slashing swingman Derek Anderson, to a third-degree separated shoulder caused by Juwan Howard's Flagrant Two foul at the close of the first half of Game One of the Western Conference Semifinals versus Dallas.

http://a.espncdn.com/nba/playoffs2001/2001/0505/1191871.html

Anderson was San Antonio's second-leading scorer that season, their third leading assists-man, and their leader in steals. He shot .399 on threes, rendering him a fine perimeter threat to spread the floor for Duncan and David Robinson inside, but his versatility is what made him a pivotal player. Anderson gave the Spurs not only a three-point shooter—his .399 conversion rate, while terrific, ranked just seventh on the team—but an athletic slasher who diversified the club's offense. He averaged 4.9 free throw attempts per game, shot .851 on free throws, and represented the only San Antonio player well-equipped to match up with Kobe Bryant defensively. The Spurs defeated Dallas easily enough without Anderson, winning that series in five games, but without him for the first two contests of the Western Conference Finals against the defending champion Lakers, San Antonio could hardly compare, even at home. Bryant averaged 36.5 points, 8.5 rebounds, and 4.5 assists as the Lakers won both games in the old Alamodome.

Anderson returned ahead of schedule for Games Three and Four, but he clearly had not recovered from the injury. He shot a combined 0-10 from the field and totaled 4 points and 1 assist as the Spurs—who, again, had led the league in wins and Defensive Rating (points allowed per possession) during the regular season—lost the two games in Los Angeles by a total of 68 points. Thus injuries played a major role in derailing San Antonio's championship hopes for two straight seasons, 2000 and 2001, after the Spurs had won their initial title in 1999.

Even as a rookie in 1998, Duncan sprained his ankle in overtime of Game Two of the Western Conference Semifinals at Utah, after he had played a leading role in defeating the Suns in the First Round by scoring 18 points in the fourth quarter of Game One in Phoenix—two days prior to his twenty-second birthday.

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Through the first six games of that playoff run, Duncan averaged 23.3 points, 7.5 free throw attempts, and 3.3 blocks, shooting .550 from the field. But over the last three games, playing on the sprained ankle, those figures fell to 15.3 points, 5.0 free throw attempts, 1.0 blocks, and a .450 field goal percentage as San Antonio lost to Utah in five contests.

So the injury bug, and the matter of luck, breaks both ways. The difference with San Antonio is that the Spurs have constituted a championship contender every year for the last nineteen seasons! When you are able to keep throwing your hat into the ring every single year, you will enjoy enough chances to capitalize when the breaks do go your way and negate or override all those occasions when you suffered bad luck. The Spurs, in my opinion, have by far displayed the best organizational philosophy since at least the Bulls of the 1990s. They do not overreact to bad luck or any given playoff result, like so many of these impatient franchises. The Spurs see the big picture, keep some perspective, work on their continuity, and keep plugging away. Obviously, winning a championship or two early on encourages you to not overreact or become impatient later, but a lot of teams could learn from the Spurs' mature organizational approach. They are basically adults in a room full of children.

Anyway, Curry should be back and healthy enough for the Western Conference Finals, and given the Clippers' injuries, Golden State should be able to overcome his sprained MCL. Either the Warriors will face a banged-up Clipper club or a young and vastly inferior Portland team.

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