Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3

[gom]

He is playing to win.

There's no question. Lin is a fierce competitor.

With respect to free agency, I think the only reason he would be tempted to leave the Hornets is the same issue that faced the Heat with Whiteside when Bosh was starting. Quite clearly, Jeremy Lin should be starting somewhere at point guard, or at least getting a respectable number of minutes. His impact on the court cannot be overstated, but he needs to be given enough minutes to put his mark on the game. Charlotte already has an exceptional point guard, an all-star in Kemba Walker.

It's a real problem.

[Teddyb]

Lin was abused in Houston. Everything was his fault. Im guessing that maybe some of the haters in Houston are changing their minds. They are having a rough year. They barely made the playoffs. I think many are coming to terms with the idea that Harden is a selfish ego maniac is not the answer. He's hated by his team mates and now its spreading to the fans and he deserves it. I m enjoying my prediction that they would fail. I love to see the haters having a bad day

[bws94]

Rockets are 2 seasons removed. So, back to Charlotte.

I think, after MKG, Lin has the most energy on the team. Kemba can establish an early energy, Batum distribute and Lin comes in and both super/turbo-charges the team. I think that's the major benefit of playing Lin off of the bench. He can be used to close or not, according to game/matchups.

If starter, Lin goes against the best PGs. He can do this, he gets more minutes, he usually closes games, he gets to lift his team mates up through good court vision and explosive transition play.

Lin still has to show he can master his handles and have the ability to bring his best game most games of the season.

What's the ideal situation for Lin? Depends on the team. Both usages of Lin have their advantages and disadvantages.

[KM6]

I must say, and I'm not trying to offend anyone here but I'm taking great pleasure in seeing the rockets go down the way they are......this is a dysfunctional team.....Harden will never win....ever,...no one likes tho guy

Just sayin

i dont wish the rockets well either with the way jeremy's exit was handled and how he was lambasted for every little thing by their fan base. call it petty or what you will, it is what it is.

you guys only put eyes on a clique of fans on internet... but ignore there are tons of Rockets fans who appreciate lin's contribution to the team and the Houston community... individually, lin's best years are still the two years in Rockets

I am sure there are tons of great and classy Rockets fans who appreciate what Lin did for Houston, but because of those few really vocal but classless scums, rockets fans got a really bad rep. Just like Lin fans, there are tons of knowledgable, reasonable and level headed Lin fans, but because of a few fanatics, and a lot of Lin haters posing as fake Lin fans, people think all Lin fans are crazy and knows nothing about basketball.

Lin's best years are still with the rockets might be true, because he is mostly starting and getting major minutes, regardless how he was used and his usage. But he could have done much more if given more freedom. He is being used as backup at charlotte, but he has a much better role here with better usage. Do I think he deserves more minutes and a starting role? You bet I do, but this is Kemba's team, so it's never going to happen.

Whether Lin stays at Charlotte or not after this season is an entirely different topic, but for what he is getting paid for, and for what was given to him for his role here, he had already over achieved. At the end of the day, after 14 years, Lin is the one who lead the hornets to their first playoff victory, off the bench in 26 minutes, with a team high 18 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds and 0 TO, while getting paid 2 mil per year, and without the help of Batum(who the hornets will likely throw max money at next season).

[2k15]

i dont wish the rockets well either with the way jeremy's exit was handled and how he was lambasted for every little thing by their fan base. call it petty or what you will, it is what it is.

you guys only put eyes on a clique of fans on internet... but ignore there are tons of Rockets fans who appreciate lin's contribution to the team and the Houston community... individually, lin's best years are still the two years in Rockets

I am sure there are tons of great and classy Rockets fans who appreciate what Lin did for Houston, but because of those few really vocal but classless scums, rockets fans got a really bad rep. Just like Lin fans, there are tons of knowledgable, reasonable and level headed Lin fans, but because of a few fanatics, and a lot of Lin haters posing as fake Lin fans, people think all Lin fans are crazy and knows nothing about basketball.

Lin's best years are still with the rockets might be true, because he is mostly starting and getting major minutes, regardless how he was used and his usage. But he could have done much more if given more freedom. He is being used as backup at charlotte, but he has a much better role here with better usage. Do I think he deserves more minutes and a starting role? You bet I do, but this is Kemba's team, so it's never going to happen.

Whether Lin stays at Charlotte or not after this season is an entirely different topic, but for what he is getting paid for, and for what was given to him for his role here, he had already over achieved. At the end of the day, after 14 years, Lin is the one who lead the hornets to their first playoff victory, off the bench in 26 minutes, with a team high 18 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds and 0 TO, while getting paid 2 mil per year, and without the help of Batum(who the hornets will likely throw max money at next season).

lets not overstate this. lin obviously did great yesterday but to isolate him as the cause of the win on saturday is parochial and self-serving. it was a total team-win. i didnt give kemba a hammer but he might as well have gotten one. he didn't shoot well but you can clearly see his effort and intensity on defense in game 3. cody hustled hard as well and hit some big buckets.

[fatlever]

Lets keep this thread current and end the recaps of Lin's days with the Rockets. That stuff is not relevant to this board. Thanks.

[KM6]

you guys only put eyes on a clique of fans on internet... but ignore there are tons of Rockets fans who appreciate lin's contribution to the team and the Houston community... individually, lin's best years are still the two years in Rockets

I am sure there are tons of great and classy Rockets fans who appreciate what Lin did for Houston, but because of those few really vocal but classless scums, rockets fans got a really bad rep. Just like Lin fans, there are tons of knowledgable, reasonable and level headed Lin fans, but because of a few fanatics, and a lot of Lin haters posing as fake Lin fans, people think all Lin fans are crazy and knows nothing about basketball.

Lin's best years are still with the rockets might be true, because he is mostly starting and getting major minutes, regardless how he was used and his usage. But he could have done much more if given more freedom. He is being used as backup at charlotte, but he has a much better role here with better usage. Do I think he deserves more minutes and a starting role? You bet I do, but this is Kemba's team, so it's never going to happen.

Whether Lin stays at Charlotte or not after this season is an entirely different topic, but for what he is getting paid for, and for what was given to him for his role here, he had already over achieved. At the end of the day, after 14 years, Lin is the one who lead the hornets to their first playoff victory, off the bench in 26 minutes, with a team high 18 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds and 0 TO, while getting paid 2 mil per year, and without the help of Batum(who the hornets will likely throw max money at next season).

lets not overstate this. lin obviously did great yesterday but to isolate him as the cause of the win on saturday is parochial and self-serving. it was a total team-win. i didnt give kemba a hammer but he might as well have gotten one. he didn't shoot well but you can clearly see his effort and intensity on defense in game 3. cody hustled hard as well and hit some big buckets.

I 100% agree with you on this being a team effort. But the thing is when Lin gets to play his game, he elevates his teammates because he moves the ball around to open teammates or the guy with the hot hand. Lin doesn't hog the ball, and rarely go iso. Linsanity is not defined by him scoring certain amount of points but by him getting the entire team involved and winning games. Isn't it what the PG is suppose to do? Winning games in anyway possible, let it be scoring, assisting, defending, getting opposition in foul trouble or whatever it takes?

[bws94]

you guys only put eyes on a clique of fans on internet... but ignore there are tons of Rockets fans who appreciate lin's contribution to the team and the Houston community... individually, lin's best years are still the two years in Rockets

I am sure there are tons of great and classy Rockets fans who appreciate what Lin did for Houston, but because of those few really vocal but classless scums, rockets fans got a really bad rep. Just like Lin fans, there are tons of knowledgable, reasonable and level headed Lin fans, but because of a few fanatics, and a lot of Lin haters posing as fake Lin fans, people think all Lin fans are crazy and knows nothing about basketball.

Lin's best years are still with the rockets might be true, because he is mostly starting and getting major minutes, regardless how he was used and his usage. But he could have done much more if given more freedom. He is being used as backup at charlotte, but he has a much better role here with better usage. Do I think he deserves more minutes and a starting role? You bet I do, but this is Kemba's team, so it's never going to happen.

Whether Lin stays at Charlotte or not after this season is an entirely different topic, but for what he is getting paid for, and for what was given to him for his role here, he had already over achieved. At the end of the day, after 14 years, Lin is the one who lead the hornets to their first playoff victory, off the bench in 26 minutes, with a team high 18 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds and 0 TO, while getting paid 2 mil per year, and without the help of Batum(who the hornets will likely throw max money at next season).

lets not overstate this. lin obviously did great yesterday but to isolate him as the cause of the win on saturday is parochial and self-serving. it was a total team-win. i didnt give kemba a hammer but he might as well have gotten one. he didn't shoot well but you can clearly see his effort and intensity on defense in game 3. cody hustled hard as well and hit some big buckets.

It was a TEAM win. Marv hit shots, Frank his shots, Lee played tenacious D. Yeah, Lin as fantastic with his energy and getting to the hole and hitting that big 3 and he deserves to have an expanded role IMO, but it was a TEAM win. Kemba also played well as did Cody. And it'll be a TEAM win to make us win tonight if we do so. Even if Kemba or someone else scores 40, it's still a team win.

[bws94]

I am sure there are tons of great and classy Rockets fans who appreciate what Lin did for Houston, but because of those few really vocal but classless scums, rockets fans got a really bad rep. Just like Lin fans, there are tons of knowledgable, reasonable and level headed Lin fans, but because of a few fanatics, and a lot of Lin haters posing as fake Lin fans, people think all Lin fans are crazy and knows nothing about basketball.

Lin's best years are still with the rockets might be true, because he is mostly starting and getting major minutes, regardless how he was used and his usage. But he could have done much more if given more freedom. He is being used as backup at charlotte, but he has a much better role here with better usage. Do I think he deserves more minutes and a starting role? You bet I do, but this is Kemba's team, so it's never going to happen.

Whether Lin stays at Charlotte or not after this season is an entirely different topic, but for what he is getting paid for, and for what was given to him for his role here, he had already over achieved. At the end of the day, after 14 years, Lin is the one who lead the hornets to their first playoff victory, off the bench in 26 minutes, with a team high 18 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds and 0 TO, while getting paid 2 mil per year, and without the help of Batum(who the hornets will likely throw max money at next season).

lets not overstate this. lin obviously did great yesterday but to isolate him as the cause of the win on saturday is parochial and self-serving. it was a total team-win. i didnt give kemba a hammer but he might as well have gotten one. he didn't shoot well but you can clearly see his effort and intensity on defense in game 3. cody hustled hard as well and hit some big buckets.

I 100% agree with you on this being a team effort. But the thing is when Lin gets to play his game, he elevates his teammates because he moves the ball around to open teammates or the guy with the hot hand. Lin doesn't hog the ball, and rarely go iso. Linsanity is not defined by him scoring certain amount of points but by him getting the entire team involved and winning games. Isn't it what the PG is suppose to do? Winning games in anyway possible, let it be scoring, assisting, defending, getting opposition in foul trouble or whatever it takes?

You're absolutely right. But we have to be careful not to make it seem like it was Lin alone that was responsible for the win. Lin is a team player and he'd be the first one to point out the other guys that did well.

Like I said before, Lin is the highest energy player after MKG and sometimes his energy spreads to the team. When Kemba and Lin balance their energy, the team is dangerous. How much more they'll play together is up in the air. But I'm sure they've enjoyed their time together and if they stay longer together past this season, they'll get even a better balance of play.

[Roy Tarpley]

I think Lin's contributions this year were very evident in the regular season victories over Cleveland, Toronto, San Antonio, and the first playoff victory in 14 years. I also love Marvin's energy, Cody's hustle, and Kemba's leadership (even if he's shooting 4-19, he still tries to pump everyone up, that's leadership).

[yosemiteben]

Like I said before, Lin is the highest energy player after MKG...

I mean I don't agree with that at all.

(a) Lin is not a higher energy player than Cody. I'm not sure on what basis you can conclude that he is a higher energy player than Lee, Marv, Kemba, or even someone like Frank.

(b) Lin has been massively inconsistent in his energy level throughout the season. He has had some great games, but he has had some embarrassing ones as well.

I like Lin a lot, but let's try to rein in this talk of him being a total fireball whenever he is on the floor.

[bws94]

Like I said before, Lin is the highest energy player after MKG...

I mean I don't agree with that at all.

(a) Lin is not a higher energy player than Cody. I'm not sure on what basis you can conclude that he is a higher energy player than Lee, Marv, Kemba, or even someone like Frank.

(b) Lin has been massively inconsistent in his energy level throughout the season. He has had some great games, but he has had some embarrassing ones as well.

I like Lin a lot, but let's try to rein in this talk of him being a total fireball whenever he is on the floor.

That's the thing, sometimes it's not there. But I think he tones it down when on the floor with Batum and Kemba. When one of them is off the court, he then dials it up a lot.

When he's on he has some of the MKG effect IMO. The energy he brought to the Boston game and to the last game are the type of energy I'm talking about with Lin. Cody also has energy but he isn't the fireplug that Lin is totally, not only offense, of their best games.

Lin has the type of energy when he's on that changes something about the team. He's electric IMO. Wade said "dynamic". I read a bunch of reports from people at the game and they all talked about how much energy Lin had on the court in game 3.

[kinein]

Really excited for todays game! This is THE CHANCE !

[kinein]

Like I said before, Lin is the highest energy player after MKG...

I mean I don't agree with that at all.

(a) Lin is not a higher energy player than Cody. I'm not sure on what basis you can conclude that he is a higher energy player than Lee, Marv, Kemba, or even someone like Frank.

(b) Lin has been massively inconsistent in his energy level throughout the season. He has had some great games, but he has had some embarrassing ones as well.

I like Lin a lot, but let's try to rein in this talk of him being a total fireball whenever he is on the floor.

I think they are all high energy players, though I think that Lin has that extra gear when going downhill - that fast break where Lin shredded through the court past the entire Heat defense for a quick layup. John Wall speed as referenced by espn's sports science.

Yup he has been inconsistent, but at the same time its really up to the game plan from coaching as well as the looks and defense given by the other team. He's started to find consistency at the right time tho, incorporating his new shooting form has been a work in progress as well. Having Kemba Batum and everyone else as colleagues has helped immensely in nurturing him as a player. He has the potential to be a Star - that consistency is what people really need from him before that talk becomes serious.

When that consistency and confidence finally click into sync and develops as a standard for how he plays - then maybe we can spark some tinder and talk about fires and balls

[yosemiteben]

When we're talking about a guy being high energy to me that is talking about motor and consistency in effort level and activity. Qualifying the statement that a guy is a high energy player by saying that energy is inconsistent seems like it undermines the value of the statement.

MKG is a high energy guy because he busts his ass every second he is on the floor.

Cody carved out a starting role for himself with his motor.

To me Lin is a nice player but not one with an unusually high motor.

[Teddyb]

Like I said before, Lin is the highest energy player after MKG...

I mean I don't agree with that at all.

(a) Lin is not a higher energy player than Cody. I'm not sure on what basis you can conclude that he is a higher energy player than Lee, Marv, Kemba, or even someone like Frank.

(b) Lin has been massively inconsistent in his energy level throughout the season. He has had some great games, but he has had some embarrassing ones as well.

I like Lin a lot, but let's try to rein in this talk of him being a total fireball whenever he is on the floor.

I agree with this. He is inconsistent. If he were consistent he wouldn't be on the Hornets and he would be getting paid a lot more money. He's an all-star and he's not an all-star.....I wish he were more consistent. I will say this. If he plays well I think they have a chance to win.....

[lin is ok]

Like I said before, Lin is the highest energy player after MKG...

I mean I don't agree with that at all.

(a) Lin is not a higher energy player than Cody. I'm not sure on what basis you can conclude that he is a higher energy player than Lee, Marv, Kemba, or even someone like Frank.

(b) Lin has been massively inconsistent in his energy level throughout the season. He has had some great games, but he has had some embarrassing ones as well.

I like Lin a lot, but let's try to rein in this talk of him being a total fireball whenever he is on the floor.

I agree with this. He is inconsistent. If he were consistent he wouldn't be on the Hornets and he would be getting paid a lot more money. He's an all-star and he's not an all-star.....I wish he were more consistent. I will say this. If he plays well I think they have a chance to win.....

Check the hornet's record when he starts.

[ChokeFasncists]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharlotteHornets/comments/4ey6k1/playoffs_here_we_come/
Cody Zeller: This dude runs and jumps like a gazelle. It's crazy.

~lol~ GaZeller!

Marvin Williams: We call him Marv. He will be tied with Jared Jeffries for the best teammate I have ever had. He's the most genuinely nice and polite person ever, seriously.

Awesome. Good to know. Let's hope they hook up for more dunks like the one last game.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: I love playing with this guy and we established a good on-court connection early on since he was always cutting for open layups. He's gonna come back strong and be an absolute beast.

Dang, too bad he came back early. They had something going there. (Cavs game especially)

Jeremy Lamb: He's also a bball junkie, so you might see him at the arena getting shots up late at night.

That's too bad. Lamb's gotta make fewer mistakes.

(sorry for the dig ups, been real busy!)

Personally I think NY originally wanted to do Lin a solid by letting him go out and "test the waters" for his value to increase the amount of money they could pay him, cause they had his bird rights, but it backfired. Unfortunately Morey and friends went overboard and pushed the price too high. Say what you may about Dolan he has never been stingy with his money, but I don't think he would swallow that poison pill, since it was designed to mess with the Knicks cap, and he is a proud man. It would have also been unreasonable (and unethical ) to ask Lin to tear up the Rockets contract. I would like to believe that neither Lin nor the Knicks were at fault, just Morey threw a wrench into the situation.

That's totally possible what had happened. And don't forget Morey's boss, Les, who was the one who really wanted Lin!

Edit - removing entire post.

Oh come on, your mods have already used their power to banish people that you found annoying, still not satisfied?

This guy will be a big factor in the series against the Heats. Just stop being too nice and shows us your swags.

You dam right!

Player of the game, first win in franchise history.

I'm not entirely sure what was the final straw the broke the back in the one that got locked, but its fair to say a few Lin fans were acting ridiculous in that thread and so it got shut down.

No way Jose, it was actually a LinTroll deciding to TrolLin' a perfectly fine thread up to that point. Ain't nothin' new.

JLin's radio interview with WFNZ

http://wfnz.com/2016/04/15/hornets-guard-jeremy-lin-talks-nba-playoffs-life-off-the-court/

Talkin' 'bout guarding SGs in the post!

Good to be appreciated!

Morey is a top 10 GM in the league. I'm not a fan of some of the signings he's made (Brewer in particular) but he's a GM I'd trust to rebuild the Rockets around Harden.

Well, he's excellent at many things, especially getting good players, but his flaws were also glaring. He let Parsons go for nothing, signed McFail to an extension, insists on doing his stat-informed Morey ball, spoiled his stars and publicly said he treats his players as assets.

[Transistor]

Slow start to Game 4 for you guys. Maybe Clifford needs to start Lin?

Kemba/Lin/Big Al/Frank/Marvin Williams

[Vae Victus]

CHA looking like pure crap on offense. After Lin drew 2 quick fouls on DWade he doesnt see the ball again. *shakes head* Such great coaching.