The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[jredsaz]

So... How do we capitalize on the inevitable LAC restructuring this summer?

CP3 out with a broken hand and Griffin still beat up, the Clipps will be lucky to get by the Blazers.

[DirtyDez]

So... How do we capitalize on the inevitable LAC restructuring this summer?

CP3 out with a broken hand and Griffin still beat up, the Clipps will be lucky to get by the Blazers.

Nothing. The Clippers weren't a long term threat.

Now if Durant leaves for the East...

[lilfishi22]

I don't really want anyone from the Clippers. THey really are just an unlikeable bunch

[DirtyDez]

I don't really want anyone from the Clippers. THey really are just an unlikeable bunch

[Walt_Uoob]

So... How do we capitalize on the inevitable LAC restructuring this summer?

CP3 out with a broken hand and Griffin still beat up, the Clipps will be lucky to get by the Blazers.

I was just wondering the same thing about the Grizzlies. Oddly, both teams have already traded away their 2017 and 2019 first-round picks. How about PJ Tucker for a 2021 unprotected first? Rivers seems like the type to do something like that.

[DRK]

Dude, Dragic was an impending free agent who said he was not going to resign. And to make a case that Kieff is a better player than BK is comical. Did you watch that performance Kieff put on for the first half of the year?

Did you see the performance Knight put on all season?

A motivated Kieff is a great PF. 2013-2014 Kieff and 2014-2015 Kieff were in the top half of starters in the league. Hes one of the better offensively versatile PF's in the league.

Peel away the empty BK stats and you have a very mediocre basketball player.

[Scutt]

You have got to love Suns fans, so worried about being "skewed toward the younger end", when the only young players in the rotation are Booker, Warren, and Len.

I bet anything that Robert Sarver is going to be saying in the off season, "Mission accomplished, the rebuild is done, we have Devin Booker!". He will then spout off how Booker had so many 30 points games as a 19 year old, just like Kobe and Lebron, and he ready to lead us to that 8th seed right now. We will probably go into the season with a rotation featuring heavy doses of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Teletovic, and Price, just like last season. Booker will get minutes, but Len, Warren, and the rookie will not play nearly enough. Meanwhile, the front office will try to sell the us on being competitive now with our slew of veteran role players, and at the same time try to claim the team is young and has a bright future. Casual fans have already been buying into it for the past few years, hook, line, and sinker.

[lilfishi22]

You have got to love Suns fans, so worried about being "skewed toward the younger end", when the only young players in the rotation are Booker, Warren, and Len.

I bet anything that Robert Sarver is going to be saying in the off season, "Mission accomplished, the rebuild is done, we have Devin Booker!". He will then spout off how Booker had so many 30 points games as a 19 year old, just like Kobe and Lebron, and he ready to lead us to that 8th seed right now. We will probably go into the season with a rotation featuring heavy doses of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Teletovic, and Price, just like last season. Booker will get minutes, but Len, Warren, and the rookie will not play nearly enough. Meanwhile, the front office will try to sell the us on being competitive now with our slew of veteran role players, and at the same time try to claim the team is young and has a bright future. Casual fans have already been buying into it for the past few years, hook, line, and sinker.

You mean letsgosuns?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Thinking about it though, the strategy makes perfect sense for Phoenix Suns employees (especially the ones on alot of $).

You are unlikely to be sacked if you make playoffs. You will make more money in playoffs than not in playoffs. The better a team's results the better the players are considered. Basically you keep your job and make alot of cash.

The 2 times we have been forced into a rebuild it lasted a season then it was back to the above.

The losers of being on a safe low ceiling strategy are fans who want to see a championship from a longer and higher risk-reward approach.

[AtheJ415]

Dude, Dragic was an impending free agent who said he was not going to resign. And to make a case that Kieff is a better player than BK is comical. Did you watch that performance Kieff put on for the first half of the year?

Did you see the performance Knight put on all season?

A motivated Kieff is a great PF. 2013-2014 Kieff and 2014-2015 Kieff were in the top half of starters in the league. Hes one of the better offensively versatile PF's in the league.

Peel away the empty BK stats and you have a very mediocre basketball player.

Kieff was at best an okay starting PF. It's easy to dismiss stats when one person's is considered legitimate and the other's is considered empty. Knight's every bit as good as Kieff. The problem is neither are really that great. Kieff has the contract advantage, but a disadvantage in everything else that matters off the court including public safety, while also being older with less upside.

[Puff]

You have got to love Suns fans, so worried about being "skewed toward the younger end", when the only young players in the rotation are Booker, Warren, and Len. :lol:

I bet anything that Robert Sarver is going to be saying in the off season, "Mission accomplished, the rebuild is done, we have Devin Booker!". He will then spout off how Booker had so many 30 points games as a 19 year old, just like Kobe and Lebron, and he ready to lead us to that 8th seed right now. We will probably go into the season with a rotation featuring heavy doses of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Teletovic, and Price, just like last season. Booker will get minutes, but Len, Warren, and the rookie will not play nearly enough. Meanwhile, the front office will try to sell the us on being competitive now with our slew of veteran role players, and at the same time try to claim the team is young and has a bright future. Casual fans have already been buying into it for the past few years, hook, line, and sinker.

I agree totally

I can buy into Bledsoe and Knight getting big minutes next year but there is no reason to be giving Tucker, Price, Chandler or Mirza big minutes. They should all be shipped out IMO. However I expect that is what we will see.

I also expect a dramatic over pay for Mirza. That will be our free agent signing along with Ronnie Price and probably Leuer.

McDonough already has stated that we only have room for 2 more players new players for next season. How can that be?

[AtheJ415]

You have got to love Suns fans, so worried about being "skewed toward the younger end", when the only young players in the rotation are Booker, Warren, and Len.

I bet anything that Robert Sarver is going to be saying in the off season, "Mission accomplished, the rebuild is done, we have Devin Booker!". He will then spout off how Booker had so many 30 points games as a 19 year old, just like Kobe and Lebron, and he ready to lead us to that 8th seed right now. We will probably go into the season with a rotation featuring heavy doses of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Teletovic, and Price, just like last season. Booker will get minutes, but Len, Warren, and the rookie will not play nearly enough. Meanwhile, the front office will try to sell the us on being competitive now with our slew of veteran role players, and at the same time try to claim the team is young and has a bright future. Casual fans have already been buying into it for the past few years, hook, line, and sinker.

Archie was in the rotation towards the end of the year too. Also, Bogdan will be here, and we'll add a few talented guys in this draft. I think we'll have plenty of young talent, but the vet role players need to be moved in a bad way.

[AtheJ415]

You have got to love Suns fans, so worried about being "skewed toward the younger end", when the only young players in the rotation are Booker, Warren, and Len.

I bet anything that Robert Sarver is going to be saying in the off season, "Mission accomplished, the rebuild is done, we have Devin Booker!". He will then spout off how Booker had so many 30 points games as a 19 year old, just like Kobe and Lebron, and he ready to lead us to that 8th seed right now. We will probably go into the season with a rotation featuring heavy doses of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Teletovic, and Price, just like last season. Booker will get minutes, but Len, Warren, and the rookie will not play nearly enough. Meanwhile, the front office will try to sell the us on being competitive now with our slew of veteran role players, and at the same time try to claim the team is young and has a bright future. Casual fans have already been buying into it for the past few years, hook, line, and sinker.

I agree totally

I can buy into Bledsoe and Knight getting big minutes next year but there is no reason to be giving Tucker, Price, Chandler or Mirza big minutes. They should all be shipped out IMO. However I expect that is what we will see.

I also expect a dramatic over pay for Mirza. That will be our free agent signing along with Ronnie Price and probably Leuer.

McDonough already has stated that we only have room for 2 more players new players for next season. How can that be?

I guess it depends on relativity. I don't think Mirza ends up getting an insane salary. He will to many, but not relative to the market, in which all salaries will adjust. Mirza was a beast this year, and I think he's great in this system. I am okay re-signing him, but with an eye towards moving him before his contract is up. He is too old to keep long-term and build around.

[letsgosuns]

Barkley was giving some huge love to Tyson Chandler on Inside The NBA after the Mavericks were eliminated earlier in the evening. Said they should have never let Chandler go and he is such a great player that he really loves. I was shocked to hear Barkley talk about Chandler like that. Maybe Chandler really is looked at as a premiere guy to play with amongst players. Who knows. I wonder how players view him.

[lilfishi22]

I think Barkley's comments are probably a little overstated. He's looking at the current Mavs team with a center rotation of Pachulia, Javaaaaaaaale McGee (lol) and Mejri. I really don't think Chandler is viewed as a premier guy but when you compare him to the rotation Mavs is playing, he probably is.

[bigfoot]

You have got to love Suns fans, so worried about being "skewed toward the younger end", when the only young players in the rotation are Booker, Warren, and Len.

I bet anything that Robert Sarver is going to be saying in the off season, "Mission accomplished, the rebuild is done, we have Devin Booker!". He will then spout off how Booker had so many 30 points games as a 19 year old, just like Kobe and Lebron, and he ready to lead us to that 8th seed right now. We will probably go into the season with a rotation featuring heavy doses of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Teletovic, and Price, just like last season. Booker will get minutes, but Len, Warren, and the rookie will not play nearly enough. Meanwhile, the front office will try to sell the us on being competitive now with our slew of veteran role players, and at the same time try to claim the team is young and has a bright future. Casual fans have already been buying into it for the past few years, hook, line, and sinker.

I would expect to see Booker, Len, Warren, our new top 5 pick, and possible Bogdanovic being significant parts of the rotation. That is, over half of a 9-10 man rotation in their early 20's. Bledsoe and Knight still are on the young side of the equation. And there is a slim chance for our 13th, 27th, and early 2nd rounder to make an impact as well as Archie Goodwin somehow improving his outside shot. Tucker, Chandler, Price, and Mirza would likely be the grizzled vets. I'm not worried about having the team skew towards younger players but the Suns will be one of the youngest teams next year if you take a moment and think about it.

I would say the rebuild is done in terms of youth. We have our draft picks who need to try to establish themselves as stars in this league. If next year the Suns make the playoffs in the eighth seed that would be incredible. These young guys need to taste the playoffs so the are hungry for it. If your idea of a rebuild includes waiting around to get the top pick year after year after year then you should change your allegiance to the Sixers who have done that so very well.

[bigfoot]

You have got to love Suns fans, so worried about being "skewed toward the younger end", when the only young players in the rotation are Booker, Warren, and Len.

I bet anything that Robert Sarver is going to be saying in the off season, "Mission accomplished, the rebuild is done, we have Devin Booker!". He will then spout off how Booker had so many 30 points games as a 19 year old, just like Kobe and Lebron, and he ready to lead us to that 8th seed right now. We will probably go into the season with a rotation featuring heavy doses of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Teletovic, and Price, just like last season. Booker will get minutes, but Len, Warren, and the rookie will not play nearly enough. Meanwhile, the front office will try to sell the us on being competitive now with our slew of veteran role players, and at the same time try to claim the team is young and has a bright future. Casual fans have already been buying into it for the past few years, hook, line, and sinker.

McDonough already has stated that we only have room for 2 more players new players for next season. How can that be?

8 Returners
Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Warren, Goodwin, Booker, Len, Chandler

4 Draft picks
Top 5, 13th, 27th, early second rounder

1 Stashed player
Bogdan Bodanovic

That is 13 spots and the roster maximum is 15. Two free spots are available unless the late 1st rounder is another stash or Bogdan doesn't come over. Also, the Suns have two players under non-guaranteed contracts that could be kept or waived in Williams and Jenkins. Also, Price and Telly aren't even signed yet. So it's wrong to make the assumption they will take the younger guys time next year.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I would say the rebuild is done in terms of youth.

[bwgood77]

Dude, Dragic was an impending free agent who said he was not going to resign. And to make a case that Kieff is a better player than BK is comical. Did you watch that performance Kieff put on for the first half of the year?

Did you see the performance Knight put on all season?

A motivated Kieff is a great PF. 2013-2014 Kieff and 2014-2015 Kieff were in the top half of starters in the league. Hes one of the better offensively versatile PF's in the league.

Peel away the empty BK stats and you have a very mediocre basketball player.

Kieff was at best an okay starting PF. It's easy to dismiss stats when one person's is considered legitimate and the other's is considered empty. Knight's every bit as good as Kieff. The problem is neither are really that great. Kieff has the contract advantage, but a disadvantage in everything else that matters off the court including public safety, while also being older with less upside.

While all of what you say is true, a contract a little more than half the size coupled with the fact that PF is not nearly as oversaturated as PG or small combo guard (usually much cheaper) it might be hard to find value for a while until his contract looks like a bargain and/or he does improve. Not sure what upside you still see coming either. Hopefully Watson teaches him ball movement. If he can do that ok, he would be a much better player and maybe worth keeping, but that tendency of tunnel vision, careless turnovers and not knowing where he is on the floor when he shoots long 2s is maddening.

[bwgood77]

I think Barkley's comments are probably a little overstated. He's looking at the current Mavs team with a center rotation of Pachulia, Javaaaaaaaale McGee (lol) and Mejri. I really don't think Chandler is viewed as a premier guy but when you compare him to the rotation Mavs is playing, he probably is.

Well between that and LMA saying whoever signed him would give them an advantage in getting him last offseason makes me think he is valued as a player around the league (moreso to players than fans though obviously). Len's rebounding seemed to improve big time with him around.