Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[sixers23]

I didn't probe. I actually found out earlier in the day I only had Bryan fora bout 10 minutes, so I wanted to get to as many topics as possible, and follow ups would have killed that. I would have gotten to, like, 1 topic. We still ended up going 30 minutes anyway. I'm not really happy with how it turned out, but that was my reasoning for not probing, fwiw.

nothing he said really worried me at least. He is tough to read. The parts about balancing the team with vets & stuff its hard to tell whether he means smart signings or he will end up giving out bad contracts like in Toronto.

The risk is whether or not he knows the difference.

There are plenty of signings that could make sense once we have our core, that make no sense if we don't.

My feelings on him as an evaluator of talent are that maybe he can be as good as Hinkie. The talent evaluation department isn't where my fears are, or even where I felt that Hinkie's strengths were, even though I do think that was an area of strength with Hinkie.

My fear is that his philosophy is wrong, and that he will chase the shiny object to get to the playoffs, and then feel as if he accomplished by something.

I admit that this is a pure fear of mine, and I shouldn't assume that this is what he will do. The problem is that history shows that that is what most conventional gm's do, and that he is a conventional GM.

Conventional GM's can win if they have great players, but what do they do if they don't have great players yet? Their careers are obviously more important to them than the success of the franchise is to the fans. If they are the GM of a team for five years that makes the playoffs every year then they will have no problems getting another job. WE are the ones that are left waiting for someone to actually go for the whole thing.

He would probably see a team like the current Hawks or Raptors as a success, and we are tired of not contending for real.






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completely agree with this

[Mik317]

you just have to hope we get our "star" in this draft. Then the race to the middle issue isn't as bad since you then have outs and ways to progress beyond that. The Issue with the Iggy era teams was that we had no "star" and it was very hard to get one. Here we have at least 3 shots at one (Our pick, Embiid, and next years pick (it our own or via swaps). So while it's not the best...its not the end of the world either. More than likely Hinkie would have had to do the same to keep his job anyway.

[Agnostifarian]

Bodner had him on his podcast posted this morning

listened to it last night. Derek didn't probe, and Bryan was a little verbose. but he did acknowledge that 'biid could be the answer and that Saric looks like a great complement.

I didn't probe. I actually found out earlier in the day I only had Bryan fora bout 10 minutes, so I wanted to get to as many topics as possible, and follow ups would have killed that. I would have gotten to, like, 1 topic. We still ended up going 30 minutes anyway. I'm not really happy with how it turned out, but that was my reasoning for not probing, fwiw.

Glad you got him to comment on who he is relying on for scouting this year's prospects.

[marcush]

I think Derek did a great job and Bryan again said all the right things. You aren't going to get anywhere probing a guy like BC in that forum, the dude is a seasoned, polished politician.

[Stanford]

I guess. In a lot of the interview, Bryan sounded exactly like Hinkie, avoiding questions with verbose answers. The answer he gave to the timeline question was vintage Hinkie.

[XtremeDunkz]

Just please no Derozen. He is so trash.

[76thBearCub]

After listening to Bodners podcast, Ill just say that I don't feel any better about this and leave it at that.

[Negrodamus]

Maybe I've been talking about targeting the wrong Cavs PG over the past week. If you look at who checks off the boxes for a Colangelo PG, it might be Matthew Dellavedova. He's a free agent this summer, shoots 40% from 3, racks up a bunch of assists for the time that he's in, is only 25 and can be had for a relatively low contract. On top of that, he's a pain in the ass on defense and is 6'4. Certainly not the sexy option, but an alternative option no less.

[Sixerscan]

People are talking above Dellavadova getting more than $10 million a year. I'd rather just hope tj can develop into the guy in a year or two.

[Negrodamus]

People are talking above Dellavadova getting more than $10 million a year. I'd rather just hope tj can develop into the guy in a year or two.

No slight to McConnell, but there are few who could do this (or are willing to do this):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5CXlvkiuc[/youtube]

[Negrodamus]

Additionally, Delly and Simmons have an Australian connection along with Delly probably being a better off the ball PG in the event we hand the reins over to Simmons if we draft him. I understand that previous sentence was poorly constructed, but you guys get the idea.

[Sixerscan]

People are talking above Dellavadova getting more than $10 million a year. I'd rather just hope tj can develop into the guy in a year or two.

No slight to McConnell, but there are few who could do this (or are willing to do this):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5CXlvkiuc[/youtube]

I just don't feel great paying 8 figures for someone that can do that though. Seems like a luxury.

[Negrodamus]

People are talking above Dellavadova getting more than $10 million a year. I'd rather just hope tj can develop into the guy in a year or two.

No slight to McConnell, but there are few who could do this (or are willing to do this):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5CXlvkiuc[/youtube]

I just don't feel great paying 8 figures for someone that can do that though. Seems like a luxury.

To each their own. I think we need attributes including, but not limited to:
-Toughness/effort (lord knows we need that)
-Shooting (40% 3; 86% FT)
-Size (6'4)
-Defense (reference video above)
-Passing (6.5 apg per 36 min/2.2 tpg per 36 min)

I'm not insinuating anything to you in particular, just the overall perception, but if he looked like Emmanuel Mudiay with those numbers, you better believe he'd be worthy of that contract. Instead he looks like a guy you'd get a beer with on a Sunday afternoon.

He was recently dubbed the most dirty player in the NBA because he dives at loose balls. I want this team to be more "dirty" with that kind of effort. A three year contract wouldn't bury us and might actually begin to change the culture/mentality of this team.

[Sixerscan]

No slight to McConnell, but there are few who could do this (or are willing to do this):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5CXlvkiuc[/youtube]

I just don't feel great paying 8 figures for someone that can do that though. Seems like a luxury.

To each their own. I think we need attributes including, but not limited to:
-Toughness/effort (lord knows we need that)
-Shooting (40% 3; 86% FT)
-Size (6'4)
-Defense (reference video above)
-Passing (6.5 apg per 36 min/2.2 tpg per 36 min)

I'm not insinuating anything to you in particular, just the overall perception, but if he looked like Emmanuel Mudiay with those numbers, you better believe he'd be worthy of that contract. Instead he looks like a guy you'd get a beer with on a Sunday afternoon.

He was recently dubbed the most dirty player in the NBA because he dives at loose balls. I want this team to be more "dirty" with that kind of effort. A three year contract wouldn't bury us and might actually begin to change the culture/mentality of this team.

Two things.

1. Mudiay is big enough to cover 2s which makes him a lot more valuable. Delly is 6'4" but also only has a 6'4" wing. Mudiay was 6'8.5" when he was 17 years old.

2. If mudiay at 25 years old was putting up those numbers in a part time role playing with lebron James and two other all stars id be fairly skeptical too.

[Sixerscan]

Again, this is all in the context of giving him 8 figures and basically committing to him as the starting point guard. He's a fine role player on a good team.

[Negrodamus]

I just don't feel great paying 8 figures for someone that can do that though. Seems like a luxury.

To each their own. I think we need attributes including, but not limited to:
-Toughness/effort (lord knows we need that)
-Shooting (40% 3; 86% FT)
-Size (6'4)
-Defense (reference video above)
-Passing (6.5 apg per 36 min/2.2 tpg per 36 min)

I'm not insinuating anything to you in particular, just the overall perception, but if he looked like Emmanuel Mudiay with those numbers, you better believe he'd be worthy of that contract. Instead he looks like a guy you'd get a beer with on a Sunday afternoon.

He was recently dubbed the most dirty player in the NBA because he dives at loose balls. I want this team to be more "dirty" with that kind of effort. A three year contract wouldn't bury us and might actually begin to change the culture/mentality of this team.

Two things.

1. Mudiay is big enough to cover 2s which makes him a lot more valuable. Delly is 6'4" but also only has a 6'4" wing. Mudiay was 6'8.5" when he was 17 years old.

2. If mudiay at 25 years old was putting up those numbers in a part time role playing with lebron James and two other all stars id be fairly skeptical too.

Skeptical is fine, but he is like the fifth or sixth option on a team with LeBron, Love, and Kyrie freakin Irving. I don't think 7 ppg is all that bad, and 4 apg certainly isn't that bad.

As for his defensive versatility, I'm not terribly concerned about that. If he's able to guard Steph Curry at a proficient level, then I'm happy with his ability. I'd offer him an Avery Bradley type contract and call it a day. He won't be the first, second or third option, but if he can shut down the opposing team's PG in this current league, I'm happy.

There won't be many point guards that fit the 3pt shooting/solid to elite passing capabilities that Colangelo likes. Delly is one of the few that does.

[wickedwrister]

People are talking above Dellavadova getting more than $10 million a year. I'd rather just hope tj can develop into the guy in a year or two.

No slight to McConnell, but there are few who could do this (or are willing to do this):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5CXlvkiuc[/youtube]

I just don't feel great paying 8 figures for someone that can do that though. Seems like a luxury.

10 million under the new CBA is probably the equivalent of 7 million under the old rules. Hinkie cultivated a ton of cap space and its going to burn a hole in BC's pocket as he rushes to get us to the salary floor.

[sixerswillrule]

No slight to McConnell, but there are few who could do this (or are willing to do this):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5CXlvkiuc[/youtube]

I just don't feel great paying 8 figures for someone that can do that though. Seems like a luxury.

10 million under the new CBA is probably the equivalent of 7 million under the old rules. Hinkie cultivated a ton of cap space and its going to burn a hole in BC's pocket as he rushes to get us to the salary floor.

Under the old rules, I'd say Dellavedova is worth about 4-5 mil. So 7-8 going forward? He's a decent backup.

[Agnostifarian]

No slight to McConnell, but there are few who could do this (or are willing to do this):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5CXlvkiuc[/youtube]

I just don't feel great paying 8 figures for someone that can do that though. Seems like a luxury.

10 million under the new CBA is probably the equivalent of 7 million under the old rules. Hinkie cultivated a ton of cap space and its going to burn a hole in BC's pocket as he rushes to get us to the salary floor.

I'd be good with having Delly & TJ backing up Conley or Teague/Schroeder, maybe Dunn or Baldwin IV, ... Simmons.

Nelly will be 26 in September. You'd get a 4-year deal in the player's prime years. Ultimate glue guy. We need perimeter defense badly. He's been practicing against Kyrie for three years. Brett Brown deserves it!

[PhilasFinest]

I can see Dellavedova getting a similar deal that Corey Joseph got from Toronto this offseason, which was 4-30.

Pat Beverley had gotten a 4/25 deal from Houston.


With the raising cap, who know's how much more teams will throw at non star level players. Hopefully not much more.