Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[OrlandoNed]

Read through the last 10 pages, saw people getting completely OWNED by ezzzp's statistical facts...their response? Basically "Nah Oladipo isn't improving"

I think alot of this is coming from the delusion that Mario is or will be better and that Oladipo is "in the way". Year 3.... the novelty has worn off. We're not better without Oladipo, Butler is a lateral desperation move just to see change.

Exactly. Oladipo doesn't have that new car smell anymore and people are just moving on to the newest shiny new toy because the previous toy isn't a superstar yet.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Read through the last 10 pages, saw people getting completely OWNED by ezzzp's statistical facts...their response? Basically "Nah Oladipo isn't improving"

I think alot of this is coming from the delusion that Mario is or will be better and that Oladipo is "in the way". Year 3.... the novelty has worn off. We're not better without Oladipo, Butler is a lateral desperation move just to see change.

Exactly. Oladipo doesn't have that new car smell anymore and people are just moving on to the newest shiny new toy because the previous toy isn't a superstar yet.

Well it would make sense if he was ACTUALLY regressing and Mario did something to warrant the change.

[EAS Law]

^^^ Don't forget that some here want to trade the closest thing we have to a star (Vuc, AG), our rookie lottery pick that looked good in his limited minutes most of the time, our lottery pick this year, the only other pick we have... For Jimmy Butler... Or anyone else for that matter.

I wasn't high on Oladipo this season, but I will cut him some slack. Once he learns to consistently draw fouls, he will be a superstar. D-Wade couldn't shoot to save his life most of his career either and it turned out alright for him.

[Def Swami]

Scrap this plan if you thought it was ever a thing.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/SInow/status/725060155868614660[/tweet]

[PennytoShaq]

Vuc for Bledsoe straight up, sign Horford.

Yes I like this a lot.

[PennytoShaq]

^^^ Don't forget that some here want to trade the closest thing we have to a star (Vuc, AG), our rookie lottery pick that looked good in his limited minutes most of the time, our lottery pick this year, the only other pick we have... For Jimmy Butler... Or anyone else for that matter.

I wasn't high on Oladipo this season, but I will cut him some slack. Once he learns to consistently draw fouls, he will be a superstar. D-Wade couldn't shoot to save his life most of his career either and it turned out alright for him.

I don't think he will ever be a superstar. A superstar is pretty evident early on. Oladipo has an inconsistent release on his shot. I'd be happy with him being just a plain "star" really.

[Def Swami]

Vuc for Bledsoe straight up, sign Horford.

Yes I like this a lot.

I would too if Bledsoe was actually dependable enough to stay on the court. He's missed about 55% of regular season games over the last 3 seasons. I'm not selling a key player for that.

[PennytoShaq]

Vuc for Bledsoe straight up, sign Horford.

Yes I like this a lot.

I would too if Bledsoe was actually dependable enough to stay on the court. He's missed about 55% of regular season games over the last 3 seasons. I'm not selling a key player for that.

Yeah the injuries are an issue. It is a shame because if you add him and Horford, that is a serious upgrade if he is healthy.

[ezzzp]

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[ezzzp]

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[ezzzp]

Scrap this plan if you thought it was ever a thing.

I'm glad, never really liked that plan if it even existed...Dwight's not what he was and Parsons' injuries are no joke

[Jiwol]

<Waiting for Blake Griffin to become the Magician>

[darthcheech2000]

<Waiting for Blake Griffin to become the Magician>

Only if he's on crutches during the press conference.

[Def Swami]

Zach Lowe writes things about basketball. If you don't read him regularly, then you should. He's a very keen basketball mind and writes on every aspect of the game -- from X's and O's to trades and acquisitions. Here's what he said yesterday about where Kevin Durant would sign:

The Spurs buzz is ascendant in a way that is eerily similar to what happened last January at the D-League Showcase, when a half-dozen unconnected team executives warned me over the span of a few days that LaMarcus Aldridge would bolt from Portland for San Antonio...

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/4/26/11513582/kevin-durant-spurs-zach-lowe-free-agent

[fendilim]

Read through the last 10 pages, saw people getting completely OWNED by ezzzp's statistical facts...their response? Basically "Nah Oladipo isn't improving"

I think alot of this is coming from the delusion that Mario is or will be better and that Oladipo is "in the way". Year 3.... the novelty has worn off. We're not better without Oladipo, Butler is a lateral desperation move just to see change.

Butler putting up better numbers on a team with better record and has to split his role with other players.

Still think the vuc + ola for butler, 2 for 1 trade is too much. But to say a vic for butler straight up is a lateral move is ehhh?

Also, the fact that butler is a more attractive piece to land a big name FA than Ola is something worth considering, imo.

[EAS Law]

^^^ Don't forget that some here want to trade the closest thing we have to a star (Vuc, AG), our rookie lottery pick that looked good in his limited minutes most of the time, our lottery pick this year, the only other pick we have... For Jimmy Butler... Or anyone else for that matter.

I wasn't high on Oladipo this season, but I will cut him some slack. Once he learns to consistently draw fouls, he will be a superstar. D-Wade couldn't shoot to save his life most of his career either and it turned out alright for him.

I don't think he will ever be a superstar. A superstar is pretty evident early on. Oladipo has an inconsistent release on his shot. I'd be happy with him being just a plain "star" really.

If he got there, I'd be pretty happy too. Truly one tool away I think.

[warren4prez]

<Waiting for Blake Griffin to become the Magician>

Won't happen. Celtics have better assets with a top 5 pick. So question is are we going to give up all our assets for Griffin?

[PennytoShaq]

I don't want Griffin for what we'd have to give up in return. Gordon is not the exact same player but they would not fit well together (or worse, we'd have to trade him), and I'm really liking Gordon's game. If a star is available like Butler - Heck yes - get that guy. But Griffin doesn't really fit what we are trying to do.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Read through the last 10 pages, saw people getting completely OWNED by ezzzp's statistical facts...their response? Basically "Nah Oladipo isn't improving"

I think alot of this is coming from the delusion that Mario is or will be better and that Oladipo is "in the way". Year 3.... the novelty has worn off. We're not better without Oladipo, Butler is a lateral desperation move just to see change.

Butler putting up better numbers on a team with better record and has to split his role with other players.

Still think the vuc + ola for butler, 2 for 1 trade is too much. But to say a vic for butler straight up is a lateral move is ehhh?

Also, the fact that butler is a more attractive piece to land a big name FA than Ola is something worth considering, imo.

Vic will be as good as Butler by next season imo. As I've said before it wouldn't be the end of the world but it wouldn't move the needle much if at all imo, unless its a prerequisite to landing another elite player. Its similar to landing Blake Griffin. I'd be ok with that move but he isn't taking us anywhere. I'd rather just wait for AG. I feel like we have to move one or two of our core in order to improve significantly and I'm prepared for that.

[OrlandoDream]

Read through the last 10 pages, saw people getting completely OWNED by ezzzp's statistical facts...their response? Basically "Nah Oladipo isn't improving"

I think alot of this is coming from the delusion that Mario is or will be better and that Oladipo is "in the way". Year 3.... the novelty has worn off. We're not better without Oladipo, Butler is a lateral desperation move just to see change.

Butler putting up better numbers on a team with better record and has to split his role with other players.

Still think the vuc + ola for butler, 2 for 1 trade is too much. But to say a vic for butler straight up is a lateral move is ehhh?

Also, the fact that butler is a more attractive piece to land a big name FA than Ola is something worth considering, imo.

Vic will be as good as Butler by next season imo. As I've said before it wouldn't be the end of the world but it wouldn't move the needle much if at all imo, unless its a prerequisite to landing another elite player. Its similar to landing Blake Griffin. I'd be ok with that move but he isn't taking us anywhere. I'd rather just wait for AG. I feel like we have to move one or two of our core in order to improve significantly and I'm prepared for that.

Comments like these is what tells my that Jimmy Butler is one of the most underrated players in the league. I'm sorry but the boldness of this statement is out of the roof. Jimmy Butler is basically a perfected 6'7 version of Victor Oladipo. Reach his level by next year? It took Drose going down and making JB "the man" for him to showcase and become the all-star he is today. Vic has been "the man" in this team since rookie year and has been given the opportunity to shine since being drafted. We need to stop forcing this superstar role to Oladipo. We don't need him trying to drop 20+ every night. Not only is he not a good enough shooter to do that but he has yet to show this on a consistent basis. Every year its the same thing. He ends the season strong, we set an all-star expectation for the start of next year, next season comes and he struggles again. It would be great if he proves me wrong on all facets of this statement but I just don't see this happening. If we keep him long-term(which we be stupid not too unless a ridiculous offer comes up) then use him in a complementary role not force him to be Dwade.