Draft Thread Part 2

[jcsunsfan]

Magic was the functional equivalent of a PG who just happend to be 6'9, Simmons is strictly a playmaking forward who can initate an half court offense as a secondary ballhandler but wil rack the lion shares of assists in transition. Sure he can make the flashy behind the back passes and thread the needle but he's not a floor general who dictates the pace. He is like a more cerebreal Blake Griffin with shorter arms and less athleticism but better vision who can be a nightly triple double threat

Magic was a pg. Plain and simple, not a functional equivalent. Simmons absolute highest ceiling might be that too, not that I would count on that. Like Magic, Simmons is going to pull down the rebound and run the break. He can fly down the court at great speed. I am not sure anyone really knows how Simmons game is going to translate to the NBA and what position he will play in the end--not that he will be exactly like Magic. His skill set coming out of college is similar though.

[MrMiyagi]

You all taking Dragan number 1 I take it?

Miyagi, I'm not sure I remember (if you have said) who you'd like to take in the draft, if we pick, for example, 3rd.

I think the top 4 players in this draft regardless of need are Simmons, Ingram, Dunn and Hield. I think everyone else has question marks that I don't like drafting at the top. 5 is a gamble between Murray, Brown, The Unicorn, and Poeltl, and I'm not even sure they are clearly above anyone slotted to go in the top 20.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Miyagi, I'm not sure I remember (if you have said) who you'd like to take in the draft, if we pick, for example, 3rd.

I think the top 4 players in this draft regardless of need are Simmons, Ingram, Dunn and Hield. I think everyone else has question marks that I don't like drafting at the top. 5 is a gamble between Murray, Brown, The Unicorn, and Poeltl, and I'm not even sure they are clearly above anyone slotted to go in the top 20.

I don't understand why people think Murray is a gamble. I have him at #3. Dead-eye 19 year olds aren't exactly a dime a dozen.

[bwgood77]

Miyagi, I'm not sure I remember (if you have said) who you'd like to take in the draft, if we pick, for example, 3rd.

I think the top 4 players in this draft regardless of need are Simmons, Ingram, Dunn and Hield. I think everyone else has question marks that I don't like drafting at the top. 5 is a gamble between Murray, Brown, The Unicorn, and Poeltl, and I'm not even sure they are clearly above anyone slotted to go in the top 20.

Yes, and we most likely end up 5th. I ran a mock simulation and if Philly somehow ends up with picks 3 and 4 (not that improbable), then Ford thinks they would take Murray and Hield. Now if Bender is sitting there at 5, I definitely think he is worth it there. I'd really like to clear out our guard logjam before taking another pg.

I wonder how a Murray/Hield/Covington/Noel/Okafor (or sub in Embiid...3 man big rotation) would play out. A TON of floor spreading.

[TeamTragic]

Miyagi, I'm not sure I remember (if you have said) who you'd like to take in the draft, if we pick, for example, 3rd.

I think the top 4 players in this draft regardless of need are Simmons, Ingram, Dunn and Hield. I think everyone else has question marks that I don't like drafting at the top. 5 is a gamble between Murray, Brown, The Unicorn, and Poeltl, and I'm not even sure they are clearly above anyone slotted to go in the top 20.

Yes, and we most likely end up 5th. I ran a mock simulation and if Philly somehow ends up with picks 3 and 4 (not that improbable), then Ford thinks they would take Murray and Hield. Now if Bender is sitting there at 5, I definitely think he is worth it there. I'd really like to clear out our guard logjam before taking another pg.

I wonder how a Murray/Hield/Covington/Noel/Okafor (or sub in Embiid...3 man big rotation) would play out. A TON of floor spreading.

In my opinion that lineup with a proper coach and a non-tanking GM will be more exciting than Minnesota. I would actually watch their games and root for a near playoff run.

[wordsenuff]

Miyagi, I'm not sure I remember (if you have said) who you'd like to take in the draft, if we pick, for example, 3rd.

I think the top 4 players in this draft regardless of need are Simmons, Ingram, Dunn and Hield. I think everyone else has question marks that I don't like drafting at the top. 5 is a gamble between Murray, Brown, The Unicorn, and Poeltl, and I'm not even sure they are clearly above anyone slotted to go in the top 20.

I don't understand why people think Murray is a gamble. I have him at #3. Dead-eye 19 year olds aren't exactly a dime a dozen.

i was just wondering this as well. i too, have murray sitting 3rd on my board. this kid is going to surprise a lot of people who are not familiar with his game. if we end up with another kentucky guard (murray) in this years draft, i won't be mad.

[saintEscaton]

Murray only ran the point representing Canada in the Pan Am games, his Ast/TO ratio didn't even break even in Kentucky forcing Calipari to give up on that experiment. These pre-injury Eric Gordon/ Brandon Roy comps are hilarious. At best he is a shorter OJ Mayo with some off the ball craftiness

[rsavaj]

reason I voted for Simmons is because I feel like it's easier to teach him how to shoot than it is to teach Ingram everything else

[bwgood77]

When we end up with Kentucky point guards, they don't turn about to be the best at ast/to or ballhandling at all for that matter.

[MrMiyagi]

I think the top 4 players in this draft regardless of need are Simmons, Ingram, Dunn and Hield. I think everyone else has question marks that I don't like drafting at the top. 5 is a gamble between Murray, Brown, The Unicorn, and Poeltl, and I'm not even sure they are clearly above anyone slotted to go in the top 20.

I don't understand why people think Murray is a gamble. I have him at #3. Dead-eye 19 year olds aren't exactly a dime a dozen.

i was just wondering this as well. i too, have murray sitting 3rd on my board. this kid is going to surprise a lot of people who are not familiar with his game. if we end up with another kentucky guard (murray) in this years draft, i won't be mad.

I think Murray is the safest bet, but people keep trying to sell him as a point guard, and I just don't see it.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't understand why people think Murray is a gamble. I have him at #3. Dead-eye 19 year olds aren't exactly a dime a dozen.

i was just wondering this as well. i too, have murray sitting 3rd on my board. this kid is going to surprise a lot of people who are not familiar with his game. if we end up with another kentucky guard (murray) in this years draft, i won't be mad.

I think Murray is the safest bet, but people keep trying to sell him as a point guard, and I just don't see it.

For sure, not a point guard. Doesn't have the instinct. But his shooting is legit - and that's arguably the most important skill in today's game. It just so happens that we're the best-positioned team in the whole league at the position. Hell, you could select a rookie and have him back up Harden or even run him alongside Harden. But us? We're the one team who couldn't really use Murray - though I guess Minnesota's in much the same position with LaVine.

In any case, if Murray falls to us, and either Bender's not available or we don't want him, we should probably select and trade him. I go back and forth on Dunn, but I think he's ultimately not enticing enough a prospect with his turnovers and injury history. Bledsoe is his best comp in the whole league.

I just wish there were one more legit player for us to target up there. At this point, it's looking like if we're not in the top 3, we're better off trading down. Trading out's not even an option, given the lack of trade targets I see. Tough spot. Let's just win the lottery, eh?

[AtheJ415]

For me with the 3rd pick I would start by trying to down a couple or trading Clevelands, Washington and the second round pick to move up. There are 2 main weakness that the Suns face in a power forward and a good small forward (I like Warren but I think he is best as a 6th man). So I am looking at Brown or Luwawu and Davis since Rabb isnt in the draft.

Welcome to the forums. Nice to hear some new opinions.

I definitely think that if McD thinks Simmons or Ingram have a noticeably higher chance of succeeding than Bender or Brown, that he'll package picks to move up. We don't really need a ton of guys in this draft with our extra picks in the future as well. That said, I think guys like Bender and Brown and Dunn have a good chance of working out. I'll only be disappointed if we don't address PF. If we end up taking Brown first that's fine, but we better be taking a couple PFs next, because there are some decent upside 4s who will be there late in this draft, and imo we would be fools not to double down at that spot.

[bwgood77]

For me with the 3rd pick I would start by trying to down a couple or trading Clevelands, Washington and the second round pick to move up. There are 2 main weakness that the Suns face in a power forward and a good small forward (I like Warren but I think he is best as a 6th man). So I am looking at Brown or Luwawu and Davis since Rabb isnt in the draft.

Welcome to the forums. Nice to hear some new opinions.

I definitely think that if McD thinks Simmons or Ingram have a noticeably higher chance of succeeding than Bender or Brown, that he'll package picks to move up. We don't really need a ton of guys in this draft with our extra picks in the future as well. That said, I think guys like Bender and Brown and Dunn have a good chance of working out. I'll only be disappointed if we don't address PF. If we end up taking Brown first that's fine, but we better be taking a couple PFs next, because there are some decent upside 4s who will be there late in this draft, and imo we would be fools not to double down at that spot.

I don't think we have enough picks to move up to 1 or 2. I'm pretty sure whoever ends up there will want one of those guys. If anyone has the picks to do it, it's probably Boston, and heck, they could be one of the teams already there. But Philly or LA or Minnesota or New Orleans wouldn't trade out there. The Pelicans could use more picks, but they could also really use Ingram.

[RaisingArizona]

I hope we move up and get our guy-- whomever that may be.

[MrMiyagi]

I hope we move up and get our guy-- whomever that may be.

Lakers 1, Pelicans 2, Celtics 3. Book it.

[Waylay13]

Welcome to the forums. Nice to hear some new opinions.

I definitely think that if McD thinks Simmons or Ingram have a noticeably higher chance of succeeding than Bender or Brown, that he'll package picks to move up. We don't really need a ton of guys in this draft with our extra picks in the future as well. That said, I think guys like Bender and Brown and Dunn have a good chance of working out. I'll only be disappointed if we don't address PF. If we end up taking Brown first that's fine, but we better be taking a couple PFs next, because there are some decent upside 4s who will be there late in this draft, and imo we would be fools not to double down at that spot.

I don't think we have enough picks to move up to 1 or 2. I'm pretty sure whoever ends up there will want one of those guys. If anyone has the picks to do it, it's probably Boston, and heck, they could be one of the teams already there. But Philly or LA or Minnesota or New Orleans wouldn't trade out there. The Pelicans could use more picks, but they could also really use Ingram.

I think that Philly is aiming for Ingram because they have Saric (who has a lot of the same type of skills that Simmons has) coming over next year. If they fall out of the top two they are likely to look for a player like Dunn to run their team. If the Lakers fall out of the top three there is going to be a lot of problems in Lakers land. They are going to be hard pressed to attract any big free agents and without a draft pick they will be in worst shape then this year. They might be open to looking for anything that might turn their team around (trade knight to the Lakers might work well for both teams).

If the Suns finally break the wall and get the first pick in the draft and take Simmons and follow him up with Davis or Luwawu I think we might be able to move into the playoff next year as an 8th seed otherwise we are going to be in the lottery (likely mid to late lottery) with little chance of getting a game changer player.

[saintEscaton]

Neither of those guys are going to make such an impact immediately. If KAT's historic rookie campaign wasn't enough, nothing is. Our supporting cast isn't that much better

[TeamTragic]

I hope we move up and get our guy-- whomever that may be.

Lakers 1, Pelicans 2, Celtics 3. Book it.

1. SUNS
2. Lakers
3. Sixers
4. Celtics
5. Wolves

[MrMiyagi]

I hope we move up and get our guy-- whomever that may be.

Lakers 1, Pelicans 2, Celtics 3. Book it.

1. SUNS
2. Lakers
3. Sixers
4. Celtics
5. Pelicans

Pretty Sure the Pelicans can't get the fifth pick

[jcsunsfan]

Would the Suns unprotected pick next year plus the Suns pick this year plus another asset (Knight or another pick) be enough to move up to 1 or 2?

With the potential of next year's draft, someone might bite.


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